so porter is just counting on being able to get loose AND have no one stay behind to watch him in the car AND have a phone in the car to call at the right time? if either of these three conditions isn't met they bad guys know he's lying when they come into the room and they go back and beat the *beep* out of him. what the hell am i missing?
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so porter is just counting on being able to get loose AND have no one stay behind to watch him in the car AND have a phone in the car to call at the right time?
Yes. He's already in a horrible predicament. This was his only real shot. He and Rosie were both dead if he'd have cooperated.
The ending was may too sudden, yeah, but I felt a little sorry for Johnny. He was spoiled, but he wasn't a bad guy, though
shareIt never made sense to me that Porter knew all along that he was gonna lead Bronson and his men to the room with the bomb. Why the hell did he let them smash two of his toes first. Thats the only part I had a huge problem with. It made no sense.
share"It never made sense to me that Porter knew all along that he was gonna lead Bronson and his men to the room with the bomb. Why the hell did he let them smash two of his toes first. Thats the only part I had a huge problem with. It made no sense."
I look at it this way: this kind of story plays out all the time, but the ones where the anti-hero's plan fail don't make good movies.
In this case, I'd say he let his toes go because he figured he could live the rest of his life without them, and he felt he NEEDED to sacrifice them to sell his final submission to the bad guys. They'd probably suspect he was trying to dupe them if he gave in too quickly.
Still, there is a bit of suspension of disbelief that helps you deal with NO ONE staying behind to watch him in the car..
MRNot, I agree. If tough guy Porter had given up the location of Johnny right away, there's no way Bronson would have believed him. He had to take the punishment (and even taunt the man with the hammer) to sell it. I also thought it was weird that they wouldn't have left the driver in the car, just in case.
But my least favorite thing about the ending is poor Johnny. At least throw the kid the keys to the cuffs while you're walking out. He didn't do anything wrong, you just murdered his father, AND it's his birthday....give a guy a break.
They could have made a sequel with Johnny trying to get revenge for the death of his father.
shareBut my least favorite thing about the ending is poor Johnny. At least throw the kid the keys to the cuffs while you're walking out. He didn't do anything wrong, you just murdered his father, AND it's his birthday....give a guy a break.
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"Still, there is a bit of suspension of disbelief that helps you deal with NO ONE staying behind to watch him in the car."
He was stuffed in the trunk, why would somebody need to stand there and watch? There were two guys posted outside the building, and they were as close to the car as they would think they needed to be. If you had someone stuffed in a trunk, would you expect him to try and escape through the seat or through the actual trunk door? I assume the guys figured they would hear him if he tried to escape through the trunk. Cuz there would be a lot of banging going on in order for him to do that.
"He was stuffed in the trunk, why would somebody need to stand there and watch?..
Yeah, that's a good point.
From the first time I saw this movie back then in 1999, I always thought that the main reason for Porter letting the bad guys smash his two toes was to avoid having to go with them up to the room with the phone bomb. In his condition, barely able to walk, they would leave him in the car or at least not making him go 3 or 4 stories up, thus giving him the chance to make the phone call that activated the bomb.
shareFrom the first time I saw this movie back then in 1999, I always thought that the main reason for Porter letting the bad guys smash his two toes was to avoid having to go with them up to the room with the phone bomb. In his condition, barely able to walk, they would leave him in the car or at least not making him go 3 or 4 stories up, thus giving him the chance to make the phone call that activated the bomb.
but nothing happened to Johnny.. he was left tied up in a hotel room, someone would have found him eventually...
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I like this movie but the ending did irk me a bit. The more likely scenario would be them taking Mel in and using him as leverage to get his son back as they weren't going to kill him until they got him.
shareI didn't like how Mel's character was completely cold-hearted. No mercy what's so ever.
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Maybe in the 10 years between your comment and now (Jan, 2024), you've seen "Point Blank," based on the same film. It's a much better adaptation of the novel and a great palate cleanser from this turkey.
I've heard "The Outfit" is also very good. I plan to see that soon.
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