What about you, girls?


Although I found this movie to be very shocking and cruel, I enjoyed it. It has the most mysogenic characters that you ever find in a movie, yet, they are not presented as heroes: we don't sympathize with them, in fact, they are repulsive. The closest "good" feeling we can get towards them is pity.

But I wonder: Is it so easy for a girl to enjoy or appreciate a movie like this one? I find it very hard, precisely because of the mysogenic content. But I like to know what women think about it, what were your experiences and thoughts watching it.

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I liked it. I didn't want to see it, really, because once I heard the plot I figured it would be like most Hollywood movies, in that it would really enjoy and glorify the misogyny. But it really didn't - I thought it really showed a certain type of a$$hole guy that many of us find in the workplace and it didn't glorify him, it basically made fun of him. The movie had a good moral center and basically everything down to the title was making fun of the ridiculous and destructive way certain men act. So yes, I enjoyed it, even though parts were hard to watch.

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I feel like every woman in the world should be made to watch this movie. There are creeps like these guys all over the place. Now I know a lot of men are not like this, but I also know a lot of women don't know how many men are like this. The movie was very disturbing, but necessary. Well done. I tried to watch it once a few years ago and couldn't stomache it. I knew there was a reason I couldn't stand the sight of Aaron Ekholt, but couldn't remember why? hehehe I still think he's a creepy s.o.b. Great acting job.

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"I feel like every woman in the world should be made to watch this movie. There are creeps like these guys all over the place. Now I know a lot of men are not like this, but I also know a lot of women don't know how many men are like this. The movie was very disturbing, but necessary."
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Total rubbish. The men in this film are extreme to the point of being absurd. How many men do you know that have wasted months and months dating a girl with the predetermined purpose of destroying her? It's not worth anybody's time. You sound like quite the misandrist. Have trouble meeting men in St Louis do you? Is it because you're fat and ugly, or have you just been conditioned to hate men by your chirpy feminist sisters?

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just a sidenote: Chad and Howard did this endeavor while they were on a 6 week work project, or however long they were gone. But seeing how extreme Chad is, you're right, he'd probably do it on his free time too.



There is no night as deep as this
Inevitable mind's abyss
Where I now dwell with foes alone

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Chad was manipulating Howard as much as he was manipulating Christine. And Christine was manipulating Howard, for that matter, dating Chad behind his back, and blatantly lying to him. They were all pretty self-absorbed, but Howard was the true victim, the weakest one of the three and the most manipulated. So I didn't see them as misogynists at all, really.

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Interesting observation. Too subtle for most.

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Give me a break. Ive read a few comments claiming Christine is " not so innocent." How in the heck was she two timing anyone when she wasn't seriously dating either guy? Some of you people sound as if she deserved this horrible treatment.

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She was having sex with Chad while going on innocent dates with Howard. Essentially, she wanted the good looking stud for her sexual desires but desired Howard because he actually liked to engage her in relevant conversation. No one deserves the horrible treatment that was exhibited in this movie, but to say that Christine is 100% innocent is absurd. Making her deaf was genius, because most people (and i'm guessing this includes you) automatically determine that she can do no wrong and will always be a victim due to her disability. While I certainly feel sympathy for deaf people and those with other handicaps, it does not mean that they are impervious to moral judgement.

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LOL

I thought this was a great movie. No, not all men are like this, but there are a lot of people who will go to really scary lengths for power.

Also, I think there's a shred of Chad in almost everyone, male and female. To me it wasn't so much about a male/female thing as it was about cruelty and heartlessness and the effect of that kind of behavior on really sensitive, kind people.

Then again, I'm someone who can bleed for a week and still not die so what do I know.

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"Also, I think there's a shred of Chad in almost everyone, male and female."

You're wrong. If you identify with Chad, even a little, you should confess it for what it is to someone with wisdom who can help you repent of such evil.

People are capable of great evils but thankfully, it is not the majority who would revel in destroying and breaking other's hearts.

The movie is garbage and those who like it are evil.

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"You're wrong. If you identify with Chad, even a little, you should confess it for what it is to someone with wisdom who can help you repent of such evil."

No. Just no... Humans, male and female alike, exhibit a myriad of personality traits. Keep in mind the person you responded to said "I think there's a SHRED of Chad in everyone" A SHRED. If you have never taken advantage of anyone, regardless of the scale, then I applaud you - but I seriously doubt thats the case. People like you really need to learn how to read CAREFULLY.

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"The men in this film are extreme to the point of being absurd"

Obviously, the movie is an extreme view...I never said it wasn't. I know loads of people who would never consider doing anything like this to anyone. The key word there is "like". If you haven't ever met anyone that is manipulative and cruel count yourself lucky. Why attack me personally? I don't hate all men and never said so. I don't like really ugly, nasty, evil sick people. You seem to be one of them. Good luck with that.

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You either missed his point or you're pretending you are.

Women should not only not be "made to watch it," no one should watch it. It's poison and it's garbage. It's pollution to one's soul.

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"Have trouble meeting men in St Louis do you? Is it because you're fat and ugly, or have you just been conditioned to hate men by your chirpy feminist sisters?"

spoken by a TRUE misogynist through and through. i'm sure you pat yourself on the back why you jerk it, right? good job!

"Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!"

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Have trouble meeting men in St Louis do you? Is it because you're fat and ugly, or have you just been conditioned to hate men by your chirpy feminist sisters?
I thought Aaron Eckhart did a really good job of playing you in this movie.

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In the company of humans. We just can't stop loving the orgasm of fighting with each other.

I like waking up in the morning not knowing who I'll meet or where I'll end up: The Titanic

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LMAO!!! heeheehee too good!
"Mom's gonna fix it all soon. Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it oughta be."

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ccr1633, your comments are way, way out of line, not to mention stupid, shallow and offensive. There are blokes like Chad out there, and the more woman know about them, the better off we all are - including those of us fellas who like and respect women. (Yes, Chad, we do exist, and some of us are even straight.)

I recognised this behaviour from real life (sure, it's more extreme in the film, but virtually all movies operate that way), and i know that decent guys find it repulsive too. And real men sure don't find it necessary to respond to a civil discussion about gender relations in such a low, rude, defensive, insecure, personal way.

So I guess that makes it clear where in the spectrum you appear, doesn't it, ccr1633? You go ahead and be the woman-fearing tough guy, but don't go thinking you speak for other men. You don't. You have no idea. Better still, get off these boards and don't come back until you learn how to play nice.

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It's very true. I am a man and I feel like every woman should see this movie as well. What is funny though, is that in my life experiences and observations, women tend to act the same way towards men in today's world. In a way, the tables have turned. I have had A LOT more male friend and colleagues who have been manipulated, lied to, and cheated on by their wives as opposed to men doing it to women. It is NEVER justifiable, just sharing my knowledge.

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You've just proved her point beautifully.

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Based on your reply to her, you sound like one of "those" men. She said a lot of men are not like this but they do exist. For a woman to think otherwise is truly ignorant and dangerous.

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I don't know why I like this movie, but I do. I like it in the same way I like a movie with gratuitous violence.

It touches on many things I really hate and gives light to several things I don't like to think about. Beyond all of the stuff that has been said so far, the film ends by touching on an overused cliche that makes me cringe when I hear it....Nice guys finish last. This phrase is often used by pathetic whimpering spineless men who usually have some sort of self defeating disorder. But the fact is, neither one of these guys was nice, but Howard ends up trying to take the high road in the end and flies out to get rejected again while Chad lays in bed getting pleasured by his girlfriend who he's been cheating on. We should change the cliche to self defeating guys finish last.

Honestly, the movie had me stirring in my seat while staying glued to the screen. It's like watching a car wreck. You don't really want to see the result, but you can't take your eyes off of it.

Oh and I'm not a girl, but what the hell, I wanted to give my input anyways.

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Regarding nice guys finishing last: unfortunately, many nice, good men do have difficulty with women. But every girl I know wants a guy who is kind and treats her well. Perhaps that includes only my friends. But don't give up hope. Anyway, I hope that ccr1633 stops resorting to cruelty and grows up.

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"But every girl I know wants a guy who is kind and treats her well."

All women *say* that. They're full of *beep* The first anti-social unemployed alcoholic abuser that comes along, and the women are all over him. They want to fix him, they want to feel "special" because they can control him. In the end, women are idiots and are attracted to idiots. Women have very little control over their emotions and let themselves get involved with the most ridiculous situations, yet expect the next guy (when they finally wake up) to pick up the pieces, like kids and visits from the ex.

Sorry ladies, but most of you are idiots. "I see you as a friend" ring a bell?

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Umm. Okay. I'm glad you know the innerworkings of women's minds so well, considering you are not one. Guess what? I haven't gone out with one guy like that. I know one girl who is in a relationship with a guy who is no prince, but he's not abusive. You're right that it happens way to much, and that it is foolish. Yes, women have deep emotions. But I think guys can, too. For men it tends to come out more in frustration and anger. Many women do control their emotions. How many women are abusive towards their husbands? I'm not saying that women are better. But far fewer women abuse men than vice versa. And therefore there are fewer non-abusive guys to choose from than non-abusive women. And why is "I see you as a friend" so idiotic? Because a women isn't in love with you makes her stupid? Every guy I've asked out (which has been a rather low number) has said at one point that they see me as a friend, even if it's when they break up with me. Of course it kills, and it doesn't comfort your pain. I'm sure guys must feel similarly. It doesn't mean that women are emotionally uncontrollable basket cases.

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"Sorry ladies, but most of you are idiots. "I see you as a friend" ring a bell?"

Apparently it does for you. Sorry to hear you're having bad luck. Might wanna try brushing up on your personal hygiene.

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a7yvm....you are a true moron.
The Caveman mentality went out with the ark.
You're infinitely more offensive than the men in this movie could ever be.
I'm a man, and I'm embarrassed for you.
Time for you to crawl back under your trailer with your keg.

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If you're theory is correct, you must have loads of women.

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Couldn't agree more.

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I always wanted a man who would be kind and treat me well. If that didn't happen, I broke up with him. In a few months I will have been married to my kind and loving man for 26 years.
While I was growing up, I heard too many stories about aunts and other women who had been married to abusive men. Not for me, thanks.







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I always wanted a man who would be kind and treat me well. If that didn't happen, I broke up with him. In a few months I will have been married to my kind and loving man for 26 years.
While I was growing up, I heard too many stories about aunts and other women who had been married to abusive men. Not for me, thanks.







Get me a bromide! And put some gin in it!

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I just saw it on cable for the first time. I couldn't turn it off because I had to see how it ended. I was hoping Chad's girlfriend (Suzanne was it?) would dump HIM. That would have been poetic justice. I didn't like it at all...sorry. Yes there are people - men and women - who like hurting people for the simple pleasure of it. It's life...it happens. But until you've truly been hurt by someone you thought loved you...yada yada yada. It's only a movie and it was done well. Just a sorry ass story line.

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i liked it because it mirrors real corporate life (at least here in the US). lie, steal, cheat, and stab (figuratively) your competition to get what you want, no matter what the cost. i feel this would have been the same movie if the two main characters were female. evil is evil, no matter what the gender. i'm not sure other women would agree with me, but that is my opinion.

"Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!"

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I think this movie pretty much just reinforces the fact that women are attracted to *beep* Meanwhile the guy who actually WANTS a real relationship and wants to build on something is the one left in the dust.

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Cruelty is not gender-specific. I submit for your perusal the Marquise Isabelle de Merteuil, played by Glenn Close in 'Dangerous Liasons'.




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Very true. It was a good film, insofar as script, costumes, acting, etc. However, unlike Dangerous Liasons, the mean characters do NOT get their comeuppance.

I didn't like this movie for its senseless damage of another human being - whether it's emotional or physical. Hopefully, the idiots of the world will not view this as a handbook for future adventures.

However, Neil LaBute does have a very unhappy, skewed view of the world. It's consistent, I'll give you that. But it's not a joy to behold or share. And there's enough ugliness in the real world that the last place I want to see it played out for fantasy's sake on my own television.

Samantha
"Nobody's perfect."

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Unfortunately I have known men like this, both in high school and in the workplace, and it's a sad fact of life that women tend to be drawn to them. Why? Because men like this lack a conscience; and without a conscience, in a sick sort of way, you're incredibly liberated. Men without conscience have no fear, no guilt, no empathy; what they do have is charisma in place of all of those things, because of their total and utter self assurance in their own superiority. Add on top of this our societal and genetic predispositions to be drawn to superficial individuals; on a biological level, we're hard-wired to seek out individuals who possess traits that will ensure the survival of the species during mating. On a societal level, we're programmed from almost day one to value physical attractiveness and extroverted charm over intellect or personality, while at the same time being fed hollow messages about "inner beauty" that ultimately do little more than to tacitly reinforce what we're really being told: What you see is what you get.

I recently worked with a guy whom we'll call Alan. Alan was an extreme extrovert; announcing proudly on his first day of work that he was a bisexual, he almost immediately set about worming his way into the affections of all of the females on staff, chatting them up about clothes, fashion, shopping; whatever a given female seemed to find most interesting or important, Alan was suddenly an expert in it. He projected the image of a harmless, unnecessarily flamboyant gay man, literally bursting into tears when seeing our company's new "grunt" uniforms because "They...just...do not...match!" The crying incident, seemingly calculatedly performed to a captive audience in our lunch room, only endeared him more to the female staff. Yet in the company of men (no pun intended) Alan became a different person. When there were no girls around, Alan took glee in making his co-workers uncomfortable with graphic descriptions of what he would do to members of our management staff were they under his sexual control. He spoke at length, without a shred of shame, how he knew people loved him and he loved knowing that people loved him, and what pleasure he achieved from soaking in their affection.

The final straw came when he announced his plans to perform a task similar to this movie's plot. On our staff is an individual recovering from a nervous breakdown. Ted as we'll call him is still in an emotionally fragile state; he's one of the youngest males on staff, extremely insecure, and still incredibly inexperienced in the realm of social interaction. One night, when Ted wasn't present, Alan launched into a chillingly withdrawn tirade about how he wanted to claim Ted as a trophy of sorts; he describe how exactly he would manipulate Ted's emotional fragility to make him believe that he (Alan) was his best friend. Alan would find out everything Ted loved and tell him he loved it too; he would become Ted's ideal confidant and best friend. With this newfound position of trust, he would further manipulate Ted's social and romantic inexperience by steadily convincing Ted that he was gay, and then coerce him into a sexual encounter, after which he would dump him. After he'd done that, Alan said, since he (Alan) was "such a catch," Ted would think that he was capable of "making other catches."

And then, Alan said, (and I paraphrase here), "Once he realizes how ugly he really is and that he can't get anyone but bears, he'll just kill himself."

Then, smiling broadly, Alan thrust his hips forward and began to describe in graphic sexual detail how he'd sodomize Ted while humming the theme song to Ted's favorite TV series.

Following this, the men present voiced their concerns to higher-ups, but Alan took care of the problem for them; in the middle of a workday he announced that he was leaving to get lunch and never came back, without clocking out. He was found passed out in the men's room of a neighboring building with an empty bottle of malt liqour and a bottle of Vicodin.

Even after word got out about Alan's plans for Ted, the females at work seemed to ignore it. He showed up a few weeks after his termination to collect his final paycheck, wearing a silk suit and a red cravat. He giggled when our manager gave him his last check and turned to smile at the nearby female workers, shrugging and smirking. Three of our female employees ran to him and hugged him before he left. They never knew the real Alan; the Alan who wanted to drive a fragile 20 year old boy to suicide for the sake of inflating his own ego, who was an ecstasy taking, pill popping alcoholic. In the end, though, it seemed that at least a few women knew this; they just chose not to acknowledge it.

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Great story... I mean, I wouldn't want to be near Alan (just as I wouldn't want to have anything to do with anyone like the protagonists of In the Company of Men), but it is a powerful story.

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I realize this thread is extremely old but I am so happy you posted this story.

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It was a bit of a guilty pleasure to watch, wasn't it?
So easy to "boo!" the Chad character, feel sorry for Howard, and have mixed feelings for Chris - a sense of empowerment at the end of the movie as she's not fully taken advantage of by Chad, but a twinge of unease in the final scene with her and Howard.

I did like the movie, it was easy enough to appreciate because I knew the plot before watching it - I like to brace myself for uncomfortable movies. I'm weird like that. I probably would not have enjoyed it as much if I had just walked into the theatre cold.

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