was surprisingly good. one of the more realistic fight scenes i've witnessed in a movie. i'm glad they didn't shy away from the violence either. good stuff
shareAnd an obvious precursor/inspiration for Bourne and the re-booted Bond movies.
shareI actually thought it was maybe the worst fight scene I have ever scene. It was the one part of the movie I didnt like. Look at Cusak's face during the fight. It was some of the worst overacting I ahave ever seen. It actually looks like a walkthrough of a fight.
I really liked this movie but literally thougth this was the worst fight scene I have ever seen.
you obviously haven't seen undefeatable.
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haha undefeatable, the last fight is genius: "I'll keep an eye out for ya" haha
crappy
"I collect blondes and bottles" - The Big Sleep
"Yeah, SEE ya!" (groans)
Video of the Fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ScNLt2zNc&;
This is what I'm talking about. In less than 90 seconds, its either you, or the other guy, dead on the frickin ground.
"Tell me, friend, can you ask for anything more?" -- The Wrestler
He closed that fight out in less than 1 minute.
For folks who think the fight is bad, this is closer to a real flight than that matrix wire fu bullship
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People are always givin' me guns.
shareI disagree, genuine fights are not moments of subtlety and no one looks as though they are appropriately exerting themselves. A good fight scene is gritty and very ugly--there's no room for finesse.
shareWhy don't the Hollywood Israelis give up on this Piven person..........geez!
shareThe shootouts had humour in them, the way they fighted was kind of funny and that was the point. No one in their right mind would waste bullets the way they do specially not a trained assassin that should have some form of weapons training.
you would be surprised at how many bullets are actually wasted in shootouts even between expert shooters for instance
most ammo spent in a battle field is actually a miss because its mostly cover fire(standing behind a wall shooting at someone who is shooting at you) so that someone else can position themselves to get a kill shot
Bullets are really cheap so why not let them loose.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080131124112AAN3DVM
Anyway, earlier in the film, Marcella is having trouble with an order of 3000 rounds. So that's about $750. He can afford it.
I thought it was a fantastic fight as well. One of my friends said it wasn't realistic at all...I invited him to my Boxing/Kickboxing/Ultimate fighting training and showed him how we spar and fight. He never said anything about the fight scene again. That was after him watching competition fighting too, not even real street fighting.
Also, If you got a street fight between two highly trained killers, it will still look very messy, even if they are throwin out moves the average person could never do. The pen thing was awesome.
PS: I'm sure many people know this, but for those who don't, John Cusak had been taking kickboxing for around 15 years before this was even released. I read the guy he fought in that scene was one of his teachers.
yeah, felix la pubel was his actual instructor in real life. so they were able to really go for it, knowing each other long enough to know what works....
it is an awesome fight scene that no matter how often i see it makes me wince, the energy alone is hardcore...damn good.
Robert Paulson.... j/k
that was Benny the Jet
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Benny the Jet Urquidez had a professional documented record of 49-1-1 with 35 knockouts and an un-documented record of 59-1-2-2.
He was the real deal.
That was Benny the Jet. Other people pointed out his fight record. I'm familiar with his reputation, but had never seen his fights since he retired in the early 90s, so I never recognized him, but he's a legit fighter. Cusack has a 6th degree black belt from Benny's school.
4th wall break inside a 4th wall break... that's like 16 walls!
That fight scene is one of the only movie fight scenes that captures that gripping, animalistic fight-to-the death tension.
shareI wouldn't say one of the only, it's very good though, and Benny Urquidez is top notch in it. The improvised weapon of the pen was simply fanrastic, it was very satisfying.
"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon
This fight is far superior to the silly chop-action hyperfights you see in so many movies today... this is what a real fight between two killers would look like... it was filmed at real speed so you could actually see what was going on... for another good example see the men's room brawl in The Warriors...
shareAnyone who has ever been in a fight or watched REAL fights will watch this fight scene and laugh. It was horrible. Some movies go for the realistic fight scenes and some go fro the cool looking ones that excite the common fan. This was neither. Again, look at some of the faces he makes. Its horrible.
shareI think it's an awesome fight scene, and I only really watch films with fight scenes in. I always watch it twice in this film. The kick to get the gun out of the spooks hand is superb. I'm not really looking at either face, I'm looking at how they move, both weary of each other, not wanting to get close until the other guy starts to wear out and makes a go for Cusack. I seriously doubt that if I was in a fight to the death (which this surely was) I'd make sure I had the right expression, I'd be trying to kill the guy!
I think Cusack should do more killing films, I reckon he's a natural.
What did your facial expressions look like when an assassin was trying to kill you?
shareWhat you saw in this film are two seasoned fighters who are familiar with professional techniques and moves fighting each other in real time. I'm guessing you were expecting is the pants-grabbing, shoulder-leaning fisticuffs you had in high school. Protip: That's not real fighting.
shareGreat fight scene. It doesn't look choreographed at all.
Nobody cares what kind of faces you're making when somebody's hunting you down. It's either kill, or be killed. The pen maneuver shows how quick the fight can end.
"Tell me, friend, can you ask for anything more?" -- The Wrestler
Agreed. I thought it was very well done. The action in the movie as was mentioned is fairly comical, but the fight scene just pops out of nowhere, it's very hard-hitting and well choreographed, and then it ends just as fast.
shareI'd say this is possibly the best fight scene in a non martial film I've seen.
shareyou actually have no idea what your talking about
benny urquidez(felix la pubel)is one of the greatest kickboxers in history and choreographed this fight scene to match up what to trained people would do in a fight
why would i wanna be in a fight or watch a real fight?
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Best Fight scene in a movie ever? The timign and the way it errupts when Felix walks in the corridor. This is surely hwo two trained killers woudl fight each other. No round house kicks just down and dirty body blows.
"I hate em when they ain't been shaved"
Cool movie fight scene but with all the high kicks it's like no serious fight I ever saw or was involved in. It's all much faster and messier. There's never enough time or space.
Considering when it was shot though it was good in having a gritty finish with some ground fighting and then the pen scene.
both people in the fight scene are highly skilled kickboxers
this is how a fight between to kickboxers would appear if it was life or death
benny the jet urquidez(felix) taught john cusack everything he knows and
benny has trained in 9 different systems of martial arts
judo, kajukenbo, shotokan, taekwondo, lima lama, white crane kung fu, jujutsu, aikido, and karate. and created his own system of martial arts called Ukidokan Karate
Aw, come on... I don't care what anyone says, it's a totally brilliant scene and works for these reasons:
1. Hollywood big actor film... expecting false and lame over-the-top crap.
2. Given the feel of the movie up to that point, you are more expecting some kind of comedy fight.
3. The instantanousness of it... this was what you were waiting for and, at this point, you were probably wondering if, probably thinking that... you weren't going to get it... and suddenly you're BANG! in the middle of it.
4. Cusack suddenly comes alive... suddenly he's the trained killer he's supposed to be, the one you were wondering if he actually WAS. I was thinking "can he pull this off?", is this gonna work??? and suprised to find it was, and cooly too.
Watching it again though make it seem a little more choreographed but not by much... but that's not the point, initial impact is what it's all about obviously, and they got it. It's a top scene. It catches you sleeping and smacks you awake. Great stuff! It does decrease if you watch it again I admit (doesn't everthing?), but after the first time you're already hooked.
Man, I just watched this movie for the fifth or sixth time and that fight scene really holds up. Easily one of the top five movie fights for me. The first time I watched the movie I had to scoop my jaw up off the floor after that fight. Perfect.
YAY FOR NINJAS!
Probably my favourite fight scene from a 90's movie. Couple of jumping high kicks that are sorta goofy, but again...it's the 90's, what'cha gonna do ^^
Snatching after us who smote them, brother,
Pawing us who dealt them war and madness.
One thing I especially liked about the fight was the use of open hand strikes. You can't punch a guy in the face with a closed fist multiple times without breaking knuckles. I like that Cusack (as the writer of the movie) thought it through. Even if you don't like the fight per se, you can see it was well developed.
Personally, I like that Cusack has had the chance to go round with the best. Benny 'the Jet' Urquidez is possibly the greatest pound for pound kickboxer ever, and in Say Anything... Cusack gets to spar with Don "the Dragon" Wilson, another class act fighter.
One of my all time favorites, but then, I do love hitman movies.
1. Being moody.
2. Being bad at maths.
3. Being sad.
I liked the fight, but I am a bit miffed at the people who said the fight was horrible because the facial expressions were wrong. Who cares about facial expressions looking good in a fight to the death? I don't, unless the facial expressions are really goofy looking.
Welcome to my Nightmare- Freddy Krueger
thats exactly how benny fights in real life
remember he is pound for pound one of the greatest fighters ever