Why was Milton able to enter a church? - The Devil's Advocate (1997) Discussion

[–] fiatlux-1 11 years ago

That was "The Omen". This is a different film. Satan & his 'group' are represented differently in each movie, there are no 'rules'.

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[–] dhmason6155 11 years ago

True, but even in this film there has to be a "reason", within the universe of this movie. I noticed he was only in the entryway (atrium) of the church. Not the church proper with everyone else.

Every part of the traditional design of a church (sanctuary, apse, narthex, bema, catreda, nave) has meaning: symbolic/traditional/spiritual/biblical.

So, what does it mean when the devil can enter as far as the atrium of a church?

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[–] martinkwangju 11 years ago

Actually, if you remember, Milton walked Barzoom's family right down to the front of the church at the beginning of the scene.

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[–] Ilyathe2nd (154) 2 years ago

That could have been a similar projection as when Milt is seen in court while he's raping M-A.

Maybe Milt takes some masochistic pleasure from being inside a church, seeing as how he grins when he dips his finger in the fount and the holy water boils around it.

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[–] fiatlux-1 10 years ago

The film may just not be following the 'rules'.

After all, there is no real-life (in terms of the Bible or any religious writing) that states Satan cannot enter a church. Man created that ASSUMPTION.

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"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."

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[–] gabby_bm 10 years ago

Why would a church be off limits to the greatest sinner of all? I would think the church would/should be MOST welcoming to Satan.

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[–] gljbradley 10 years ago

Indeed.^

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[–] THX1701 10 years ago

What church was this, anyway? Was it a real location, or a set?

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[–] THX1701 10 years ago

I only ask about the location because I wonder how they got a naked woman in a church. A real church would not likely permit that.

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[–] fiatlux-1 10 years ago

She wasn't naked. She walked in wearing a huge comforter.

This is NYC. People do all kinds of weird things there, plus Mary Ann was in no condition to even notice people staring at her.

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"Penfold, shush."

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[–] speedolitec 10 years ago

She wasn't naked. She walked in wearing a huge comforter.

Did you only see an edited for TV version? She takes the comforter off!
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[–] fiatlux-1 10 years ago

No I did see that version.
But someone said she walked IN naked. I said she didn't...she wore a comforter.

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"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."

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[–] BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone 10 years ago

When they make movies they *build* sets.

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[–] fiatlux-1 10 years ago

They do sometimes, yes.

But often for churches, they use a real one. I say, why not?

Nakedness isn't a sin.

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"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."

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[–] BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone 10 years ago

Actually, it's the reverse - they often build sets, and sometimes use real ones. :) You'd be surprised just how often sets are built rather than actual locations used.

And no, nakedness is not a sin, but they would still need permission to shoot in a real church and it's very unlikely that a real church would give them permission.

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[–] bobquack 8 years ago

Central Presbyterian Church in Manhattan was used as location for the funeral. I'm sure the scene where Mary Ann removes her blanket was done in the studio. Charlize Theron weighed heavily the decision to do nudity, and I guarantee it was done in a closed set.

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[–] fiatlux-1 8 years ago

Why would it be done on a closed set??
There's nothing shameful about nudity, for one thing. Second, I've seen gory scenes, never mind nude ones, filmed in actual churches.

How hard would it be to get permission to film in a church, especially these days.

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Didn't he discover America?
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[–] averagejoeman2013 10 years ago

Good question. I think of it more in the terms of the movie with Schwarzenegger..was it called End of Days? or something like that? Gabriel Byrne played the devil and he was going after the woman designated to mother the anti-christ. When they were hiding in a churhc he appeared. One of the clergy asked how he could be in a church. The devil replied something to the effect of: "I can endure the pain" as he then proceeded to murder those protecting the woman.

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[–] seattlem2000-1 10 years ago

Some people say that the Catholic Church is the Church of Satan so it would make sense that he would be able to enter the church. If you notice the entire place was full with his followers so it sure looked like it was set up to be his church.

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[–] spudjustice 10 years ago

Because it's just a building.

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[–] tk1891 10 years ago

Lucifer is an Angel, so why couldn't he be in a Church?

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[–] minky10 10 years ago

If we include "The Omen", you can say Damien was a child so he had no self-control. Milton is an adult so he wouldn't throw a tantrum or get nervous about being in a church.

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[–] Reallusion1 10 years ago

A church is not in itself holy but the spirit in it. There are actual accounts of luciferianism infiltrating the Vatican. It would explain a lot research Malachi Martin.

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