for a rapist and murderer? I just watched this for the first time and I'm left wondering why I'm supposed to be moved by this guy dying? This is what should happen to anyone who rapes and murders....at the very least.
shareI think the same. Maybe one should rape and murder Mr. Robbins' and Mrs. Sarandon´s children and those of all liberals- and watch afterwards, if they changed their opinion.
I was a liberal myself, until I get cheated and robbed last year. That episode showed me: Criminals only understand one language: They have to be treated very hard and mercyless- first then they learn respect and stop to harm their fellow beings.
Unfortunatly penalty is very soft and humanistic hear in Germany. We treat criminality like a disease or a social problem and show so much compassion.
And the criminals misuse our good will.
I think, we should beat and whip criminals- first then they will learn respect.
u dont get the message i think - what if the rapist or murder or whatever was your brother, your son or your father? wouldn't you feel sorry?
is a person who wishes other people to suffer for all eternity in hell better then somebody who tortures people here on earth? im not so sure.
Or if someones fine with torture and death, but doesnt act on it, is he a good person??
Different sins are unforgivable in different cultures. The Nazis were convinced they're doing something GOOD when they slaugthered and tortured millions of people. Don't be so sure that you understood the world, or one day u might end up acting like the people you used to hate so much. I try not to judge.
everybody makes mistakes... killing people doesnt make the world a better place no matter whom... were all sometimes the victims and sometimes the wrongdoers. and nobody knows the future.
thanx for reading
Well, if there would be death penalty for all crimes- there soon would be no crimes anymore. ;-)
But to be serious: If I had a murder, rapist or pedophilist in my family I would
feel very, very disgusted and would not shed a single tear for him.
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"If I had a murder (sic), rapist or pedophile in my family I would feel very, very disgusted and would not shed a single tear for him"
Thats easy to say when you've never been in that position but what if you had a family member who was accused of murder who you believed to be innocent and they ended up on death row? The "what if it was your child" argument works both ways.
Hey, sorry, that I´ve forget "er".
And of course I don´t want, than innocents get executed.
But perhabs death penalty is more pleasant than life sentence. Just imagine: the rest for your life in prison- without women, without the possibility to see the world... and afterwards the prisoner has to die, anyhow, so why don´t kill him in the beginning.
I am looking forward to your reply.
The "what if it was your child" argument works ZERO ways, and is really no argument at all. But this is all I've come to expect from softies who self-righteously feel the need to be gentle to monsters.
I've proposed some other solutions besides death, but no softy will answer them it seems. Again, as expected. Test subjects for harmful chemical products? Exile to distant islands in the middle of the ocean? I'm guessing these too are too "cruel and unusual".
Well, I strongly doubt, that I will ever come into a situation, that would make
me molest couples.
I don't think it is to feel sorry for him but to understand him a bit, I saw the movie and while I do not condone the death penalty I would also say that what he did was wrong and there is no excuse for his actions even when he was alive he didn't change. I think murders, rapists and so on only repent when they are goig to be excuted, you think Ted Bundy truly was remorsful of his crimes? Or who he be a different man had he live on?
HEEEEEELLLLLL NO!
I thought the idea was to feel sorry, or at least have great empathy and admiration for the nun, and decide for yourself about Matthew Poncelet. I don't think this movie was in anyway intended for people to feel sorry for Sean Penn's character. This was really evident when at the end, Tim Robbins showed him with his arms stretched out on the guerney and then super-imposed the image of the kids he murdered with their arms stretched out naked and alone in the woods.
Robbins was begging the question from the viewer..not asking for sympathy..just thoughts.
No you're supposed to feel angry. Ok, Poncelet was a murderer and maybe he did deserve to die. But the fact is that his accomplice murdered someone as well and the courts were not thorough enough and charged Poncelet with both murders. Should the death penalty really be allowed when the courts don't give even sentences to the right people?
And also I think the movie is more about Helen Prejean and her conflicting emotions rather than about sympathising with Poncelet. What I liked about this movie is that it didn't try to get the audience to sympathise with Poncelet too much, which was refreshing and inspired.
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^^I think the world would be a better place if more people asked that question.
shareOk I didn't read all of this so if this was already said, sorry. This probably isn't the case for all murderers, but isn't a bad punishment leaving the person alive with guilt? If I was in a murderers situation in prison, I'd probably think to myself "I'd rather be dead then go through this" but then again I'm not a psychopath so maybe I wouldn't have guilt. I think that is just an interesting perspective that I though I should share. Because the character Sean Penn, whatever his name was, did feel guilty BUT it could have been only because he realized he was getting the death penalty. It sounds like I'm contradicting myself but I think punishment depends on the person. For me, staying alive would be a worse punishment.
shareDoes anyone know the true story of this? This movie was a soften up version of a monster by the name of Robert Lee Willie who kidnapped, raped and murdered a girl who's name was Faith Hathaway on her graduation night, in May of 1980, in Mandeville, Louisiana. Her boyfriend was also murdered. What the movie, on purpose, omitted was that Willie burned both bodies beyond recognition after murdering them. Willie was actually executed by the electric chair a few days after Christmas in 1984. I did not feel the least bit sorry for Robert Lee Willie.
shareI just got done watching this movie a little bit ago. I enjoyed the movie very much, one of the best I've seen in a while. But I didn't feel sorry for Poncelet. He did something terrible and deserved it. I did however feel sorry for his family, especially his mother. And of course I felt for the families of the two kids who were killed. To me those were the only ones who we needed to feel sorry for.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'
nobody deserves death penalty. When we judge somebody for a crime, it is not because we want to punish him but because we want somebody guilty for that crime to satisfy our desire of revenge.
Of course we should feel sorry first for the victim, the family and the friends of the victim.
But noboby deserves death.
Death Penalty = Murder.
Thank God, I'm an Atheist! - Luis Bunuel
Some do deserve the death penalty for their crimes. But, I oppose the death penalty because I don't think I nor any of you have the wisdom to decide who deserves the death penalty. The death penalty is not applied evenly and fairly. It's true what they say in this movie, that if he had money, he wouldn't be executed. OJ proved that.
shareapparently, it works on some people. others, like myself, i guess are just a bit cynical. if you know the real story behind this film, it's so obviously that the killer was pretending to be a nice guy to trick the nun into helping him with his appeals case. that's what true evil is. it comes at you not with fury, but with a smile, until it's the right moment of strike. reading the true events, i am convinced that sister prejean is exactly the type of victim he'd go after. he'd exploit their naivety and gain their trust for his own gain. and in the end he'd discard them...which not surprisingly is exactly what he did. in the true events at least. but hollywood likes to embellish.
also, anyone with basic knowledge of criminal behavior and psychology will tell you most killers do not change. i don't care what the propaganda tells you, or how they are portrayed, these people simply aren't capable of respecting rules. like laws and moral behavior. they're like rabid animals. the only solution is to forcefully euthanize them. and lets face it, when someone has been proven to be beyond help, the enlightened, humane thing is to put it out of its misery. that's right, i don't see them as human either. through their own actions, they've placed themselves below the threshold of humanity. they're not even fit to be treated like cattle. that is why it is not only justifiable, but the right thing to kill them.
question the propaganda. that is all.
"anyone with basic knowledge of criminal behavior and psychology will tell you most killers do not change"
I've taken courses in psychology and criminology which hardly makes me an expert but my uncle, who is a criminal psychiatrist is and one thing we both agree on is that most killers are ordinary people. If you mean that those with borderline personality disorder (ie. psychopaths) do not change then you are correct and they should be imprisoned for life.
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You are supposed to be human - or you are no better than a rapist and a murderer.
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Lets nuke the site from orbit - its the only way to be sure.
///You are supposed to be human - or you are no better than a rapist and a murderer///
or an Executioner.
Thank God, I'm an Atheist! - Luis Bunuel