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Sounds like a leftist fantasy to me...


Ok, let me get this straight. I don't know a single thing about Thailand except for the name, that it's somewhere near Laos and Vietnam, and that it's Sagat's country in the Street Fighter game. I didn't even know that a military dictatorship had taken place.

But I live in Chile, and I know what it is to have complete chaos in your country, to have a large mass of revolutionaries who actually encourage a civil war attitude, to then have a military dictatorship taking place, to then have the army fighting the revolutionary militia, then to have the army win that post civil war, and finally to have the militia leftovers claiming for their human rights as if they never had a warlike attitude towards soldiers.
The worst thing is that the only ones who get out of the country to tell their version of the dictatorship are obviously the ones against it. The result is an international nazi-type portrait of the new government which is quickly accepted since the public commonly shares some sort of desire for some hero-villain stories.

In Chile, our military dictatorship, which set the standards for our constitution and political orientation to this day, had a reputation quite similar to the one "Beyond Rangoon" portraits. In Spain and Sweden during the 80's, were went most of the Chileans who escaped or were exhiled, the circulating number of people slain in the dictatorship during the 70's was somewhere around 100,000. Which makes you think about the credibility of exhiled people's stories, since after a deep investigation carried out by national human rights organizations once the dictatorship was over in 1990, it was revealed that there were only 3,000 reported "missing" people during the ENTIRE 17 years dictatorship. At the same time, the new General of the army revealed that 400 members of the armed forces were killed during that period, soldiers, policemen, marines, etc... Nazi-type political oppression?? or post civil war confrontations? You make the call...

So ever since I went to Spain and realized that in the Spanish Parliament, speaking in favor of Chilean dictatorship leader Augusto Pinochet was actually prohibited, I've been quite careful regarding supposed "nazi-type" dictatorship stories. It's not that I automatically reject those stories, but unless I hear about different points of view, I'm not forming any opinion.

So when seeing this movie a couple of hours ago, some scenes left me with a sense of "ok, it COULD have happened, just don't reject it right away". However, ever since the slaughter began and Patricia Arquette started running, the main thought that popped in my head regarding that and most of the following scenes was simply "my ass...".

These are a couple of the scenes which made me realize that the movie is nothing more than a leftist revolutionary's wet dream:

- The first shocking thing we see once Patricia Arquette starts running is a street with the army on one side and a group of students "fighting for democracy" on the other side. I don't doubt that. What is truly absurd is that a student with a rose in his hands walks towards one of the soldiers forming part of an army human barrier, gets on his knees before the soldier, and while crying and begging for mercy to an attack which that group of soldiers had not even started yet, he gives the rose to him. Now I don't know what kind of left-wing groups did the writers of this movie hang out with, but a guy getting on his knees before a soldier and handing out flowers to him certainly does NOT fit with the profile of a leftist revolutionary student. The soldier's response is ridiculous as well: he starts kicking him. If I were an evil soldier, why would I care about a whining guy when there are hundreds of those in front of me??

- Then we have that whole "escape through the city" moment were apparently soldiers have no concept of military formation and just wander around on their own near public places waiting for a person to get near and kill him/her. I don't know how the army in Thailand works but the scattered carnivorous plant in ambush formation sounds ridiculous to me.

- After running through the streets, Laura and her friends get on a truck and have to pass through a checkpoint. When two soldiers start checking the truck, a group of civilians surprise the soldiers, disable them, and beat them up for one or two seconds before they get back on the truck. "Soldiers killed their brother so he feels like killing them as well" explains U Aung Ko. Excuse me, but had that actually happened, the civilians would have more likely taken at least a few minutes to crucify that pair of soldiers and burned them to death. But obviously an evil army vs struggling civilians movie can't afford that.

- Later, they get to a jungle and a monk confesses that he was actually a soldier. "I ran away when they told me to kill children" he says. Note that I don't justify the killing of children in any possible way, but I do know that if there was firing against children, it couldn't have just been a situation were soldiers were walking by, saw a group of children, and decided to kill them. There HAD to be a context even though it obviously didn't justify the killing. But the fact that the filmmakers didn't care to explain it is proof that the film is severely biased.

- In the jungle as well, Laura asks "How can they murder their own people?", which is basically the writers saying in your face "the ones from the other political movement are subhuman sadists with no principles". Any film which portraits one of two different political movements in conflict as "Sauron and his evil forces" is just rubbish propaganda if you ask me.

Thank you for your time.

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Great,you don't know what you are talking about.This movie is based in Burma not in Thailand.Myanmar(Burma) and Thailand are quite different though both are Buddhist countries.As a Burmese,I know that Thailand is more developed than Burma.1988 Revolution is only some of the problems.The problem is that after 18 years later,I still see no improvement after the government took power from the elected true leader,Daw Aung San Suu Kyi.Of course,the national television always show the "improvements" like big bridges,roads and dams and things like that.Since the independence in 1948 Burma has faced a lot of different problems mainly "the government created" like the 1962 shootings in the Yangon University Compound by the Ne Win military government,the 1962 destruction of the University Student's Association Building by blowing with explosives by the same group and there are many more especially the government killing,oppressing the students.The 1988 Revolution seemed to be the bloodiest.

And today,the government does the same;raping villagers of the other states in Burma,destroying villages,etc..etc.With corruptions,crimes,controversies Burmese citizens struggle to live.Things like playing lotteries(not state-run,illegal,loved by women)and football betting(quite popular by men) becoming an extra income for citizens.OK,I see some of my friend's family is making a living from it,also some of my relatives.But betting and gambling will never become an extra income,some lost,some killed themselves due to debts(These are true) and some ran away.So,if you visit Burma,you will see people watching football match in tea-shops or shops(some are betting them,believe it or not there are betting places behind the closed doors of some homes) and if you visit the markets you will find yellow or red papers which are lotteries guides.People can never rely on salaries,most people earned low income.You'll need about fifty years salaries to buy a luxury car and you could only buy some 1990 something stupid Mercedes.Ah,yes the government and their families enjoy riding Audi and even Ferraris(I saw some) while local citizens can ride bus(most walk).The families of the government enjoy luxury while normal citizens work,work,work.The government denies every accusations and the national tv keep showing about how the goverment tried hard to obtain "a "Beyond Rangoon" is a good film based on true events.The cinematography,the peaceful and developed Myanmar which are enjoying by Myanmar people today!"
"NONSENSE"

"Beyond Rangoon" is a great masterpiece based on Burma's true events(there are only two or three films about Burma,I think.)So,this movie is essential for everyone who wants to know about Burma.The acting,the directing is perfect.So,if you want a taste of Burma's revolutions and riots,try this one first.You'll love it.

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last time i checked, this was a movie.


"make love to the children"

-sweiland75

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Where does on begin?

I think that donpawa should have stopped writing at the end of his opening paragraph. It is painfully obvious that you do not know anything about THAILAND, and it is even more apparent that you know absolutely nothing about BURMA - where the film is set.

I could very easily spend the next hour picking apart your arguement; pointing out how Burma is not now, nor has it ever been communist; how the scenes depicted in this film, while employing a healthy dose of artistic license, are based on real events; how the democratic elections took place in 1990, not in 1988; etc.

However, I think it will be far easier and more productive to suggest that if you do not know what the hell you are talking about, the best policy may be to keep your mouth shut. I believe that it was Nietzche who once said: "Those who say, do not know. Those who know, do not say".

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Donpawa is a moron sock puppet who obviously knows nothing about which he is raving.
Just ignore him and he'll go away.

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It is a little difficult to compare the Chilean situation with the Burmese one. I agree with you that Pinochet was not half as bad as European anti-Pinochet propaganda would have us believe. Pinochet must take the credit for ridding your country of the marxist scum Allende. I am pretty sure that most of the Pinochet regime's crackdowns were against leftists, communists, socialists and Marxists and fully applaud this as leftists are a cancer in society. In no way could Marxism be equated with democracy and leftists needed to be disposed of as rapidly as possible. Pinochet may not have been perfect, there may have been some accidental killings of non-leftists but there is no way he could be WORSE than the scum that preceded him.

One can not equate this with the situation in Burma where it is a question of military rule against democracy. The Film "Beyond Rangoon" shows the democracy-loving and seemingly peaceful citizens being held at gunpoint, threatened and sometimes assassinated by the military. These are no filthy marxist scum, they are ordinary apolitical democrats who just want the freedom to live their lives. They are not planning some kind of revolution or spouting left-wing diarrhoea. I don't think that notions of left and right can be applied to Burma, or to this film, and for this reason, the film is most interesting to watch and the spectator can but sympathise with the plight of the citizens. I found the final scene, where they cross the river, particularly strenuous mentally to watch.

Ironically, a few days later than my commentary of 12th september, trouble has erupted in Burma yet again with the monks joining the democracy movement. As China seems to condone the regime in place, and the West is henceforth subservient to China, I am afraid that more massacres in Burma will continue.

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Read more, talk less, you will look less like an Idiot.
If you know nothing about a subject, it's best to remain silent.

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of leftism, is a rightist with an agenda. Nuff Said.

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