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Picard is evil

posted 13 years ago by joplintribute
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I've put some thought into this, and the rest of the Star Trek Next Generation films, and I just think Picard is a bad man.

In this film, Picard finds Captain Kirk in the Nexus having a wonderful day in his cabin, and Kirk seems happy as can be. Picard needs help saving the planet right, because Soren wants to go back to the Nexus.

So Picard convinced Kirk to leave the Nexus by an unexciting jump of the horse. Because it was not scary, Kirk is bloody well convinced to help Picard. That is crazy first of all, I think Kirk is smarter than that...

But Kirk ends up in a mess of broken up metal. What a sorry fate for Kirk. Nevermind the fact that Picard decided to beam back to Soren's missile right when the rock was about to land on him. That is crazy second of all... that hurts!

But a rift has occurred here in logic I think. Picard's fantasy is to be the biggest hero ever, and stops Soren from going back into the Nexus, but they are both already in the Nexus and managed to confuse themselves by thinking they were not in the Nexus at all.

So Picard convinces Kirk to die a horrible death so that he can be the big hero, then he goes on to take on the Borg which may very well be a pleasant lifestyle for people. Picard is always in the Nexus, from that film on, and he will go to the end to make sure he is a big hero, which is the point of the Nexus.

But Picard is evil, because he messed Kirk up. That's my opinion.

[–] Porpoise01 13 years ago

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[–] Tyrannosaurus_sex 13 years ago

And he fu ckin buried kirks body on a mountain top in rocks,it's not gonna b long b4 he attracts animals.

[–] fictionalman 11 years ago

I asked the same question. Why didn't Picard bring back Kirk's body?

That's just my two cents.

[–] Kent_Kainer 10 years ago

Weird question. Though it would be obvious.

I doubt this little hill has a body inside. It's just a monument like you find in any age on places, or near places - sometimes even far away - where ppl died... even beside the street you may notice crosses where ppl died in an accident. At least this is nothing uncommon in Germany.

I doubt anyone in the starfleet would let Kirk... THE Kirk... rot on a shabby planet under some stones.
This should go without any saying.

In your version/belief Picard would really have to have buried Kirk there (would need a larger hill though, also Kirk died actually elsewhere, Picard would have to drag the body all the way up to the top... after he removed all the heavy junk that was lying on him... yeah sure >.>) and would have hidden the fact that Kirk was involved at all, so his mission report to starfleet command would leave no hint of Kirk.

Would fit to this major premise here that Picard is evil ;)

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[–] tobesmc 13 years ago

Well maybe if Kirk wasn't such a tool he wouldn't have fell victim to Picards pwnage of him, and besides, there can only be One true captain of the Enterprise, Picard realised this and did what he had to do to take care of business.

[–] gabby_bm 13 years ago

Kirk's "echo" is still in the nexus, so all is good. But it's still a crappy way to take out the great Captain Kirk, saving a rock out in space somewhere in a jumble of twisted metal.

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[–] TheSolarSailor 12 years ago

Kirk's "echo" is still in the nexus, so all is good. >>> There is no such thing as an echo in the Nexus. That was nothing more than Picard's fantasy based on his knowledge that Guinan had been there before, being confused by his first fantasy unraveling a bit, then inserting an "echo" Guinan to tell him what he wanted to hear, thus correcting his Nexus experience and sending him off on a new fantasy mission that really made him feel great. After all, that is what the Nexus is all about! The Kirk that helps Picard is nothing but a Picard-fantasy as well. Kirk died on Enterprise B saving the day while an utterly inept crew stood there with their fingers up their own asses!

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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

[–] panaghoy88 13 years ago

Did you see Mr. Plinkett's reviews of the TNG movies. He also had the same analysis of Picard being evil. Compared to the TNG TV show, Picard is noble and a compassionate Captain but in the movies he's a freaking action man and kills people with no hesitations. Completely out of character.

[–] Kent_Kainer 10 years ago

Naturally. He gets more money for the movies than the series and money ruins the character ;)

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Lincoln Lee: I lost a partner.
Peter Bishop: I lost a universe!

[–] FlyingPie 13 years ago

I don't think Picard had any way of knowing that Kirk was going to die trying to stop Soran. Also, Picard probably wouldn't have been able to stop Soran alone. If he was trying to be a hero, he might not have asked Kirk for help. And they did prevent millions of people from dying by preventing Soran from blowing up the sun.

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[–] bjlevine 13 years ago

What I don't get is why Picard needs any help at all. Since he's going back five minutes earlier, he'd still be there and the two Picards could take on Soran.

Picard #1: "Who are you?"

Picard #2: "I'm you from the future."

Picard #1: "You are adorable."

Picard #2: "Yeah, baby!"

Picard #1: "Let's take this guy down."

Picard #2: "Wait a sec...if we wait a few minutes, we'll both get pulled into the Nexus and then we can both come back and there'll be four of us to take down Soran."

Picards #3&4: "Boom, baby!"

I better get out of here before Spifflock starts going on about paradoxes.

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[–] Guywithlastname 12 years ago

LoL I laughed hard at this!

OZ is the best show ever... EVER!

[–] hislop100 11 years ago

I have just re-watched this awful movie and this comment has made my day!

[–] TheSolarSailor 11 years ago

I have just re-watched this awful movie and this comment has made my day! >>> That was indeed an epic post!

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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

[–] Blueghost 13 years ago

by - joplintribute on Thu Dec 16 2010 07:01:33
I've put some thought into this, and the rest of the Star Trek Next Generation films, and I just think Picard is a bad man.

In this film, Picard finds Captain Kirk in the Nexus having a wonderful day in his cabin, and Kirk seems happy as can be. Picard needs help saving the planet right, because Soren wants to go back to the Nexus.

So Picard convinced Kirk to leave the Nexus by an unexciting jump of the horse. Because it was not scary, Kirk is bloody well convinced to help Picard. That is crazy first of all, I think Kirk is smarter than that...

But Kirk ends up in a mess of broken up metal. What a sorry fate for Kirk. Nevermind the fact that Picard decided to beam back to Soren's missile right when the rock was about to land on him. That is crazy second of all... that hurts!

But a rift has occurred here in logic I think. Picard's fantasy is to be the biggest hero ever, and stops Soren from going back into the Nexus, but they are both already in the Nexus and managed to confuse themselves by thinking they were not in the Nexus at all.

So Picard convinces Kirk to die a horrible death so that he can be the big hero, then he goes on to take on the Borg which may very well be a pleasant lifestyle for people. Picard is always in the Nexus, from that film on, and he will go to the end to make sure he is a big hero, which is the point of the Nexus.

But Picard is evil, because he messed Kirk up. That's my opinion.

I think all that's true, but the story and theme were just poorly written.

[–] bjlevine 13 years ago

But is Kirk living in the Nexus any different from Neo living inside the Matrix?

Not defending the premise of the movie (or the conclusion). Its pretty weak. But it doesn't make Picard evil...he certainly didn't intend to die.

[–] chas437 12 years ago

In the final consideration, I see Picard as more concernded about the fate of the Federation, its princples, and ultimately the Human race. Jame sT Hirk was a great Enterprise Captain in his cowboy days, but Picard is the consumate modern Federation Man. He is very comlex, but NEVER evil. At least that's how its written.

[–] jeffm-11 12 years ago

Picard saved the lives of 250 millon beings on the planet Soren destroyed.

[–] TheSolarSailor 12 years ago

Picard saved the lives of 250 millon beings on the planet Soren destroyed. >>> Only in his fantasies. In reality Veridian III was destroyed by a shockwave created by the exploding star, and the Enterprise crew died as well.

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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?