I'm sure this has been discussed a lot before... but I don't care!
Personally, I think that they were in a break, but not a 'Break-UP', so although Ross is right in saying"We were on a break" that still doesn't justify what he did.
This has been discussed to a sick degree, so this'll be my only post in this thread.
If anyone's interested, let me direct you to the already active RR threads.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108778/board/thread/261595076
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108778/board/thread/261146087
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108778/board/thread/259318273
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108778/board/thread/260258977
To answer the OP however. They broke up. Because Rachel said so multiple times.
Rachel "We didn't get to dinner."
Monica "Oh nice!"
Rachel "We kinda broke up instead."
Monica "WHAT?!"
Rachel (on the phone) "You know what? I don't wanna get back together over an answering machine."
Rachel "Can I be your girlfriend again?"
Exactly! Rachael said, "No, I mean a break from us". Cut and dry. Pertaining to Ross, judges say, "No violation!"
shareI don't agree. If I intended to end a relationship, there's no way I'd refer to it as "a break." Too ambiguous. To me a break would mean something like a coffee or lunch break -- something temporary.
If I meant to END a relationship with someone, I'd say something like 'This isn't working, neither of us are happy, so I think it's best for both of our sakes that we end this and move on."
catbookss wrote:
To me a break would mean something like a coffee or lunch break — something Temporary.There is no consensus of opinion about what it means to be on a break. Different people have very different interpretations. There is no definitive answer.A number of people feel that it is basically a polite way to break up.But they did not break up because Rachel said something about a break from us. That just set the stage. When Ross arrived at the bar, he believed that Rachel was breaking up with him, but he wasn't sure, which is why he called. They broke up because Mark was in the apartment when Ross called maybe half an hour later. Ross knew what it meant. He got it. Essentially everyone would interpret it the way that Ross did, and they would be correct 99% of the time. Rachel knew what Ross thought, and she stayed there and talked with Mark rather than trying to find Ross.This is what Ross has been anticipating and afraid of for quite a while. It is true that Rachel said something that didn't fit, and it didn't really register with Ross in the face of his realization that Rachel was leaving him for Mark. You would have to be either a Vulcan or into self-deception to have what Rachel said register.As I have said many times, but probably not to you, the whole break or no break thing is a phony issue. It was not the issue at the time. Ross thought that their relationship was over because Rachel was having sex with Mark and leaving him for Mark.On several occasions, Rachel acknowledged that they were broken up – not on a break. She called the fact that they were broken up a technicality.The writers later played a joke on the audience by giving Ross his, "We were on a break," tagline, but that was simply not the issue at the time. The only one who said they were on a break the next day was Rachel. Ross replied that they were broken up and Rachel called that a technicality. share
She would have said a temporary break up.In a temporary break up, you definitly can see other people.But definitly not in a break.A break is the time you take to decide wether to break up or work on the relationship.Sleeping with someone else in a break is cheating.
shareOh, a temporary break up? She would have? Why didn't she? Forget Marta Kaufman and David Crane, I want to hear from the real creator of Rachel Green -- imaneassi. When you wrote her character in this episode "The One with the Morning After" how come you had Rachel say that they broke up instead of being on a break? I'm just curious cause in the previous episode, you didn't write her saying a temporary break up. Please explain, creator of Rachel Green.
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"But my job's fun too - I mean, tomorrow I don't have to wear a tie." - Chandler
I already explained way too many times why Rachel thought that maybe HE dumped her when he hung up on her and found out that not only he didn't dump her, but cheated on her and tried to blame her for his cheating
shareAww. That's so cute that you believe you can speak for how Rachel thinks when she's not your creation. You cannot say what Rachel thought at any point in the show as fact. Please learn to understand sarcasm as well.
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"But my job's fun too - I mean, tomorrow I don't have to wear a tie." - Chandler
I know for a fact that there was no break up till she found out he cheated."I'm glad you called" and trying to hide and explain Mark's presence is definitly not a break up. And "Ok, i get it" isn't a break up. He should have continued with" we're done" or "i'm done with you" in order for it to be a break up. There was no break up, he cheated.Period.
shareNo, you don't. She told Monica in the morning that they broke up. She said on Ross' machine that she didn't want to get back together over the phone. So, she's saying they were broken up. Later on, Gunther tells her about what happened with Chloe and now suddenly Ross cheated. Rachel knew full well her break was a breakup. She states it several times before knowing what happened with Chloe.
After all these years of people pointing this out to you, it's pathetic that you still fight the facts that the show has given you and make up stuff.
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"But my job's fun too - I mean, tomorrow I don't have to wear a tie." - Chandler
You think having an affair with someone who's engaged to someone else isn't a big deal. You have messed up morals.
shareWhat have you done...
shareEveryone ignore this thread. IGNORE IT !!!
shareharry-browne8 wrote:
Personally, I think that they were in a break, but not a 'Break-UP',Neither Ross nor Rachel agree with you. They both knew that they were broken up.Rachel admitted it the next day:
Ross: Look, I didn’t think there was a relationship to jeopardize. I thought we were broken up.Rachel: We were on a break!Ross: That, for all I knew would, could last forever. That to me is a break-up.Rachel: You think you’re gonna get out of this on a technicality?Ross: Look, I’m not trying to get out of anything, okay. I thought our relationship was dead!Ross said that they were broken up. Rachel does not argue about it; she describes being broken up as a "technicality."Why do you think your understanding is better than that of Ross and Rachel? share
Then what difference does it make whether Mark was in Rachel's apartment or not? I mean she and Ross were broken up after all. She could be with Mark all she wanted.
"I will not be strong armed by threats against my laundry"
Spot on.On a break not broken up so he cheated. Unless when he hung up on her HE dumped her without letting her know,there was no break up.Ross reacted like all cheaters do when caught.
shareVomit is a funny word
shareSeinfeldFriend wrote:
Vomit is a funny wordLOLPeople dump on immy, myself up on occasion included, but it is in situations such as this one that she shows her true worth.If the OP genuinely wants to talk about break or no break, you can be sure that immy, if no one else, will talk with him about it. share
For sure! If people want to keep discussing it, go for it. I can't discuss it anymore, so thought I'd go with a little comedy relief for myself haha (It's actually a Seinfeld quote, but it was late so I forgot to put quotation marks around it)
shareSeinfeldFriend wrote:
If people want to keep discussing it, go for it.I don't. I just find it exasperating that quite a few people still argue about it when both Ross and Rachel knew that they were broken up at the time.That we know, I think, for sure. What there is no certainty about is what the hell it means to be on a "break." Different people have very different interpretations, and there simply isn't a definitive one. There is no agreement about what the rules are, so arguing about that is arguing about something that doesn't have any solution.If Ross had interpreted the situation as a probably temporary break, he would never have gotten in bed with Chloe. He would never argue that if you are on a "break" that may be temporary that you have the right to have sex with someone else.I can stop whenever I want to. Really I can. share
And yet you've posted on this thread MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE you utter turnip!!!
Why do people keep talking to this psychopath!?
Jesus Christ what have you done?!!!
Run for cover...RUUUUNNNNN!!
To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?