East coast bias


It was really all about yankees-red sox, giants-dodgers. Did they realize that things went on in baseball between then east and west coasts? Oh yeah thats right the east coast media considers us lower class.

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When baseball was loosely started in the US the west coast was still a wild frontier to ol' whitey, and hardly any baseball teams moved there until greedy owners decide to steal them from their storied and steeped in tradition east coast towns, thereby snuffing out the dreams and hopes (among other things), the Brooklyn Dodgers (where they'll always truly belong) comes to mind, but there's others. East coast is baseball where west coast is always folly for sports and whims of the rich, overall though west coast sports fans aren't really truly sports fans, but on the east coast is where sports fans are real fans, and that's just the way it is, and the way it will be. For that, the documentary nailed it spot on if they seemed to highlight it maybe as this supposed "bias" you think you're seeing. Baseball is about fans, not whims and greed, bravo to Ken Burns and his team for hitting the target, heart, and soul of the sport and sports in general.

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The Cardinals have won 10 count-em TEN world series. Sure, the Red Sox are a historic franchise, but they have only won seven, and their notoriety comes from that 86 years in between the first five, and last two world championships.


The Cardinals were the best team of the 1960s and 1940s, and Ken Burns really did not pay the greatest National League franchise the minimum lip service that they deserved...12 seconds for Stan Musial???


I was a mere teenager when I originally posted to this forum four years ago, but my contention is still the same; the Cards get no respect.

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Addendum:


I hate being a midwesterner who complains about there being an east coast bias. But the bottom line is that the vast majority of intellectuals reside on the east coast. Simple as that. Mario Cuomo, Kearns Goodwin, and the rest are far more captivating figures than most intellectual types who have come from here. Still, the Cardinals are the second greatest team of all time, and there definitely should have been more of an STL emphasis. Maybe we just aren't as interesting? I suppose he did do a lot on the 1968 world series? But that was because Boston was involved.


What am I to do? At the same time, we are called "baseball's best fans" but in some ways, it almost seems like pandering. Still, St. Louis fans are the best and most knowledgeable.

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Still, the Cardinals are the second greatest team of all time, and there definitely should have been more of an STL emphasis. Maybe we just aren't as interesting? I suppose he did do a lot on the 1968 world series? But that was because Boston was involved.

Boston? You mean the Detroit Tigers in the 1968 World Series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_World_Series
I was waiting to see about the 1968 season in relation to Denny McLain winning over 30 games.(31–6 with a 1.96 ERA)
they spoke of Dizzy Dean but not one mention of McLain breaking his record.
Yes, McLain had personal problems and all of that but so did Pete Rose and they sure covered his career...

And...during the 1968 series: "The Tigers came back from a 3–1 deficit to win three in a row, largely on the arm of MVP Mickey Lolich, who won three complete games in a single World Series, a feat that has not been duplicated since."
That IMO should of been included since it was against the powerful and favored St Louis Cardinals with Bob Gibson.

Then there was the Detroit Tigers in 1984: "By May 24, 1984, the Detroit Tigers had just won their ninth straight game with Jack Morris on the mound winning his ninth game of the season. The Tigers record stood at 35–5—a major league record.
They also won the World Series that year too...

Many teams and their achievements were skipped in favor of the East Coast.


Think OutSide of the 'Box'!

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You're dumb. The Dodgers and Giants both have superior followings and superior histories in California than they ever did in the snobby, rat infested wastelands of New York. Baseball belongs on the West Coast and the Midwest, where most of the greatest players actually hale from.

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For the most part the OP is correct. I didn't really mind the NY Giants, Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers getting so much attention. Those were great teams after all....but 10 minutes spent on the minor league career of...Mario Cuomo? C'mon.

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I totally agree with the start of this topic.

I just watched the 10th inning and am disgusted over how such topics as the 2002 A's consecutive wins streak, the Bartman incident, the 2005 White Sox (snapping a longer drought than the Red Sox had but it's not worth talking about because they're the wrong color of Sox), the '08 Rays were either breezed over or not talked about at all because they didn't involve the only two teams Ken Burns seems to care about.

Believe it or not, despite what espn and joe buck will tell you, those of us outside of New York and New England don't give a damn about the Sox and Yanks.

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The East Coast bias and the many factual errors (like mis-identifying ballparks) was such a turnoff I never watched more than a few early innings.

Burns lost a lot of respect fro what should have been a great series with his sloppiness and bias. His Civil War series was much better, although even their he gets Lincoln's age wrong when Lincoln died (says 54, but Old Abe was 56).

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