Season 3 is really disappointing.


Its truly tragic. Its hard to explain, but it seems that they went for more of a silly feel. Plus the lack of Artie is painful and obvious. I'm only about halfway through the season, are there any decent episodes?

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I liked it still but I agree. I watched them all on youtube before they were deleted a few years ago, and they just weren't as good.

The Invention of Lying - 9/10
Doug's 1st Movie - 6/10

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It's true there was a sharp decline in quality. I remember liking 35 hours, Last Laugh (mostly because of Adam West), Splashdown, Das Bus (mostly because of Stu), and Saturday. But even those episodes can't compare to the genius of the first 2 seasons.

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Watching the 3rd Season of P&P, I don't think the writing is inferior to the first seasons, or the tone and atmosphere have radically changed. I had come to expect a sharp decline, having read some of the commentary on this board and elsewhere.

I think there were a few reasons why people thought the series was "Pete"-ring out, which, by the way, I think had nothing to do with Nickelodeon execs not 'getting' the series or wanting to cancel it because of poor ratings. To me, P&P just had run its natural course, and really had to end at about the time. My views:

* Growing pains. By the 3rd Season, Big Pete had become almost an adult, and Little Pete a teenager. This means the series' brotherly dynamic had inevitably changed. Little Pete, with his voicing breaking, and going through a growth spurt, could no longer be the cute little subversive rascal, with his rebellions as merely a little kid's innocuous whims, and Big Pete would be off to college in a while, or getting a job.
* Lack of novel subject matter. Though much of the appeal of the series was in its surrealism and absurdity, its premise was always firmly rooted in the reality of young American teens growing up. This limits the number of subjects you can deal with. So there's trouble at school, conflicts with restrictive parents and bullies, the strain of being in a competition with your team, the first pangs of love, favourite pets, a first summer job, and saying goodbye to friends. By the 3rd Season, the series has run out of fresh ideas, which is why we get another, less interesting and more one-dimensional bully (Pit Stain), an episode about geeky Teddy which reads like a rewrite of 'Freak, Geeks and Johnny Unitas', another 'Summer Holiday' vignette, this time around the pool, and one more 'Nightcrawlers', but all without the fresh, warped, offbeat quality.
* Inconsistency. This is what plagues most sitcoms, as they have to suddenly invent hobbies, relatives and friends to keep things interesting, even though we've never heard of them before. Unless the writers are extremely smart and prescient, we are suddenly confronted with Little Pete having a pet lizard (2nd season), only to be killed off in the same episode, and even later we learn that Little Pete's brashness is largely informed by his 'lucky penny'. Why didn't we ever learn about this before?
* Loss of key characters. The departure of as essential and hilarious a character as Artie dealt the series a heavy blow (though it wasn't an illogical step, with Little Pete growing up and having to fend for himself), and then there was a lack of Ellen's dad, and some of the really good youngsters of the first season, like Clem (Aaron Schwartz) and Natasha (Heather Matarazzo).


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I liked Last Laugh, Dance Fever, Splashdown, Das Bus, and Saturday.

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i just wish they would release it officially. i'll buy it regardless.

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i could not agree more! i was at best buy the day both season 1 and 2 were released. i went on release day that "was set" for season 3, not knowing it had been canceled. i almost cried!! but hey, i found ways of getting it ANYway..but would gladly BUY IT if they would RELEASE IT!!! >:^(

and i agree with the above poster. they were getting too old to keep the show going... it ended were it should have. but, like any series that i ever loved, i was sad to see it go nonetheless...

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I'm not sure i've seen the 3rd season. It feels like it should have ended with the episode where Artie leaves.

Is the episode with the Math teacher and something about X and Y one of the season 3?

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No, the X and Y episode is from Season 2.

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Oh, hmmm...

Could you name a plot from season 3? I've probably seen them, but most the episodes I can think of involve Artie.

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Are you sure it's not psychological? If you're comparing season 3, which still to date is only available in crappy 10 year old vhs rips to seasons 1 & 2 on DVD, that's probably the reason...

Wait til it's released on dvd and then judge it

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You can still judge the writing and everything else aside from the visual quality. Season 3 just seems a lot more formulaic and sillier. Not saying seasons 1-2 weren't silly but all the characters treated everything with a certain amount of seriousness. Season 3 was more tongue-in-cheek type stuff.

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Yes, the series creators said that Nick execs put their foot down and demanded that the show be more conventionally funny and less cult in the course of time, and that they never expected there would be a third season after some major conflicts, so they poured all their ideas and creativity into the first and second seasons.

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"Are you sure it's not psychological? If you're comparing season 3, which still to date is only available in crappy 10 year old vhs rips to seasons 1 & 2 on DVD, that's probably the reason... "

Nope. I've been watching it for the first time in forever after watching the first 2 seasons and its markedly let's say... less good. I still like it a lot and get a kick out of it, but its nowhere near as magical and amazing as the first two.

I like that Nona and Monica get their characters expanded, and Pit Stain is a really good villain, but the stories and dialog are weaker, the better actor of the petes is relegated to narration duties. Overall it just seems more like a kids sitcom than the completely unique wonder of universal appeal it had been.
Lack of Artie though I think is the biggest blow. He was really the special element that pushed the surreal nature of the show.

It's not bad or anything. Just lost the magic.

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Just read an interview from Aug 2012 where the producers said that Season 3 was manufactured and sits in a warehouse. They recorded commentaries and said there are extras. That is crazy!

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Yep tdl. It really pissed me off at the time because I had got seasons 1 and 2 (surprised that it was coming to DVD) and I was all set for season 3 to come out when Viacom got sold by its parent company, Time Warner. Apparently what happened was certain distribution deals were rendered moot and DVDs like season three of this or certain seasons of Clarissa and Alex Mack which were also in the course of DVD releases were withheld, and the previous seasons went out of print. So there is a factory out there where season 3 of this show is just sitting there to this day. The bitch of the whole thing is, the sale occurred mere weeks before the show was set to be released. And whoever owns the rights now isn't making it a priority to re-release the first seasons or make the third one available. Still boils me up when I think about it...

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Apparently what happened was certain distribution deals were rendered moot and DVDs like season three of this or certain seasons of Clarissa and Alex Mack which were also in the course of DVD releases were withheld, and the previous seasons went out of print.


Can you be more specific?

At the moment, the only classic Nickelodeon show (late 80's to about 1995) that seems to be out of print is The Secret World of Alex Mack. It's been out of stock for at least 2-3 weeks on Amazon as of this date.

The others are very much available, including:

Aaahh!!! Real Monsters (complete series from Shout Factory)
Adventures of Pete & Pete, The (seasons 1-2 from Nick; missing 3)
Are You Afraid of the Dark? (season 1-5 from Nick; missing 6-7)
Clarissa Explains It All (season 1 from Nick; missing 2-5)
Doug (complete series from Nick)
Hey Dude (complete series from Shout Factory; Wal Mart exclusive)
Kenan & Kel (best of seasons 1-4 from Nick)
My Brother and Me (season 1/complete series from Nick)
Ren & Stimpy Show, The (seasons 1-2, 3-4, 4-5 from Nick)
Rocko's Modern Life (complete series from Shout Factory)
Rugrats (season 1-9 from Nick; missing 10)

Also, for anyone who hasn't noticed, a compilation of some of the game shows was released a month ago: http://www.amazon.com/Nickelodeon-Games-Sports-All-Star-Collection/dp/B00WRNX33O/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1432837615&sr=1-1&keywords=nickelodeon+game+shows

I doubt the more obscure shows like Welcome Freshmen (1991) and Roundhouse (1992) will ever see a release, though Salute Your Shorts (1991) deserves one. It's probably just as popular as Hey Dude, if not more. Besides that, the only classic/golden age shows that haven't been released (partially or complete) are game shows, but those aren't ever going to be released in full seasons.


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A couple of the shows you listed here were in the process of being released, specifically with the Nickelodeon logo on the packaging. I think that was Clarissa, Alex Mack and Pete and Pete, but there may have been others. They were set to release waive 3, which would have included Season 2 of Clarissa and Season 3 of Pete and Pete and a few other shows. And that's when the sale happened. The launch dates were set but instead of just letting the purchasing company send out the DVDs they opted to just let them sit in a warehouse. BS, man.

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Hadn't heard about the game show collection. I wish it had an episode of What Would You Do? There was Wild & Crazy Kids, too.

Who owns Pete & Pete now?
When that 90's Nick Facebook page posts anything there are tons of replies. If they would put up a petition for the P&P3 DVD release it would probably get a lot of signatures.

If they're just letting them collect dust, why not give them out for free or sell them and donate all the proceeds to a charity?

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Artie would have come in soooo handy in this season against Pit Stain, who else thinks that?!! Think about it, Papercut wasn't half the villain that Pit Stain was!

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I don't think it's that it's sillier than the first two seasons at all. Quite the contrary, actually, but the main problem is just that they shifted focus too much. During the first two seasons, Big Pete was the main character with Little Pete playing the role of a sidekick, but in season 3, Michael Maronna hardly does anything except narrate, and Allison Finelli is barely in it. I can understand that they did this, because they were getting older, so they probably thought that Big Pete wouldn't appeal as much to kids anymore, but I think it was the wrong move. Little Pete is amusing, but he lacks the humanity of the older brother, and his friends do nothing for me. He's just harder to relate to, and his stories don't ring as true. He was great for comedic relief, but without that being offset with Big Pete's coming of age and young love stories, there's no real substance to the show. There is some attempt at giving those storylines to Little Pete and his friends, like in Dance Fever in which Pete overcomes his fear of dancing, but Danny Tamberelli and Michelle Trachtenberg just didn't have the charisma of the older actors, at least at this point in their careers.

In general, the third season seems to be trying a lot harder to appeal to younger kids. There are fewer pop culture references and the tone is less absurd and surreal. It feels far too safe compared with what came before. Now, I can understand that they wanted to expand the audience of the show, but obviously considering that the show ended after this season, it backfired and alienated the initial audience of the show. The episodes that do center on Big Pete and his friends are near the level of season 2, but they're just too few and far between. It's not a terrible season, but on the whole, it lacks the charm, honesty, and personality of the first two seasons, and coupled with the lack of Big Pete and, especially, Ellen, it just simply isn't the same. It may as well be called the Adventures of Little Pete.

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