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The reason people hate Marisa Tomei's Oscar win...


1. She didnt star in a movie about gays

2. She didnt cry

3. She didnt speak in a British accent

4. No one had AIDS in the movie

5. More than 5 people went to see the film

6. It was a movie that made people laugh

7. She didnt pretend to be a man

8. She had the nerve to appear in a movie that appealed to a wide audience

9. She didnt star in a movie that preached to people about a social issue

10. The Coen Bros, Paul Thomas Anderson, or whatever other artsy fartsy director didnt direct it.

Basically anyone who gave Marisa Tomei grief for her Oscar win was a stuck up pretencious film snob. Tomei was laugh out loud funny and a total scene stealer in a film people liked. God forbid she beat Joan Plowright playing a cranky old hag in some bore of a film 5 people saw or Judy Davis playing a stuck up b--- (which she is in real life) in a pretencious boring unfunny lame Woody Allen effort or Vanessa Redgrave in a 10 minute role that was nothing, or Miranda Richardson who cried in 1 5 min scene in a dreadful movie.

Basically what I'm saying is that people who hate on Tomei's Oscar win can suck it.

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You nailed it completely. Today all we have are CGI films or films that are agenda-driven dreck that they count on no one daring to criticize because of the content. There is only one character in a movie that I ever fell in love with and that was Mona Lisa Vito.

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I could not agree more.

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The first time I saw it I told a friend of mine that she was going to win the Oscar for it. And I think Fred Gwynne should have gotten one too.

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And I think Fred Gwynne should have gotten one too.


Fred Gwynne was great. I think he deserved, at least, an Oscar nomination.

This was the competitive field in that year (1992) for Best Supporting Actor:

* Gene Hackman – Unforgiven as Little Bill (winner)
* Jaye Davidson – The Crying Game as Dil
* Jack Nicholson – A Few Good Men as Colonel Nathan R. Jessep
* Al Pacino – Glengarry Glen Ross as Ricky Roma
* David Paymer – Mr. Saturday Night as Stan Young

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I have only one objection, and the only objective objection, to her Oscar win. That objection is that it is yet another example of nomination of a leading actress in the supporting category who then wins because, of course, her work was bigger and bolder than others in an actual supporting role. Since there is no other prominent female role in the movie she is by default the leading actress, and the role is certainly a leading role, and therefore should not even be eligible for nomination in the supporting category at all.

This business seems to be poorly defined. "Supporting" usually seems to mean "Not the top billed star" and has little to do with the actual role. We have instances where two are rightly nominated in the same category e.g Judgement at Nuremberg where Schell won over Tracy, and other instances where the two leads are split between leading and supporting e.g. The Miracle Worker that enables two wins but clearly abuses the supporting category. That is unless you think a young actress is automatically supporting by virtue of being young. This rationale worked for "supporting actress" Tatum O'Neal in Paper Moon where again there no more prominent female lead, and worked against co-nominee Madeline Kahn in a true supporting role. Sometimes the result of the single category nomination is that both lose, possibly due to vote splitting over one work, e.g. Midnight Cowboy (a controversial film, rated X (!), and two unpleasant characters. Sentiment that they "owed one" to John Wayne gave the voters an easy out The controversy did not prevent the movie winning Best Picture, Director and Writing. Not unlike the later situation and outcome for Brokeback Mountain only rated "R" not "NC-17", three Oscars but not the "hot" ones, Best Picture or Best Actor). Some think that Lauren Bacall was robbed in this fashion for The Mirror Has Two Faces against winner Juliette Binoche in The English Patient (and despite any possible sentiment that Bacall was "owed one") when Binoche's role was of leading actress magnitude. At least there was another nominated leading actress in that movie with an arguably larger role to justify this nomination, unlike My Cousin Vinny.

A mess, and one that is and will inevitably repeated regularly.

Despite all the dubious fun generated (the endless argument and the red carpet nonsense around the ceremony itself) I agree with George C. Scott that the whole thing is a bad idea and the craft, if not the business, would be better off without it.


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....another example of nomination of a leading actress in the supporting category who then wins because, of course, her work was bigger and bolder than others in an actual supporting role.
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How would you know that this is the reason that Tomei won and that voters chose to cast for Tomei because it was a more substantial role, than her fellow nominees? This is just speculation. If the voting tally was made public and the runner up's were revealed and by what margin of votes, then more grounded opinions could be formed.

I agree with what you are saying about category fraud and Tomei was technically the lead female in this film. However, due to her being relatively unknown to feature films and she was in support of Pesci's character—which was a showcase for his comic talents—I feel she can just get away with the "support" category. She wasn't carrying the film with her performance, although she is a huge asset to it. Anthony Hopkins, in 'Silence Of The Lambs'-91', could be considered support, but due to his strong characterization and the skillful manner in which his scenes were blended and edited into the film, he left us with a strong and indelible "lead" impression.

I would consider 1992 an exceptionally strong year for support ladies and anyone of the nominees could have a strong argument made for them winning, regardless of the amount of screen-time or genre of film. I feel that this is the reason why Tomei copped a lot of flack, due to her stiff competition, being a light comedy, (acting and film purists were offended) and her sole status as the only American in the lineup.

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I have only one objection, and the only objective objection, to her Oscar win. That objection is that it is yet another example of nomination of a leading actress in the supporting category who then wins because, of course, her work was bigger and bolder than others in an actual supporting role. Since there is no other prominent female role in the movie she is by default the leading actress, and the role is certainly a leading role, and therefore should not even be eligible for nomination in the supporting category at all.

This business seems to be poorly defined. "Supporting" usually seems to mean "Not the top billed star" and has little to do with the actual role. We have instances where two are rightly nominated in the same category e.g Judgement at Nuremberg where Schell won over Tracy, and other instances where the two leads are split between leading and supporting e.g. The Miracle Worker that enables two wins but clearly abuses the supporting category. That is unless you think a young actress is automatically supporting by virtue of being young. This rationale worked for "supporting actress" Tatum O'Neal in Paper Moon where again there no more prominent female lead, and worked against co-nominee Madeline Kahn in a true supporting role. Sometimes the result of the single category nomination is that both lose, possibly due to vote splitting over one work, e.g. Midnight Cowboy (a controversial film, rated X (!), and two unpleasant characters. Sentiment that they "owed one" to John Wayne gave the voters an easy out The controversy did not prevent the movie winning Best Picture, Director and Writing. Not unlike the later situation and outcome for Brokeback Mountain only rated "R" not "NC-17", three Oscars but not the "hot" ones, Best Picture or Best Actor). Some think that Lauren Bacall was robbed in this fashion for The Mirror Has Two Faces against winner Juliette Binoche in The English Patient (and despite any possible sentiment that Bacall was "owed one") when Binoche's role was of leading actress magnitude. At least there was another nominated leading actress in that movie with an arguably larger role to justify this nomination, unlike My Cousin Vinny.

A mess, and one that is and will inevitably repeated regularly.

Despite all the dubious fun generated (the endless argument and the red carpet nonsense around the ceremony itself) I agree with George C. Scott that the whole thing is a bad idea and the craft, if not the business, would be better off without it.


Yours is an excellent post. Thanks. I just addressed this very issue in another post of mine, up above. I will copy-and-paste it here below:

Another person stated:

I also had no idea there was the slightest hint that this was not a deserved Oscar win. I had no idea she was 'supporting' - I thought she was the star along with Pesci.


My reply was:

Tomei certainly was a star in the film (along side with Pesci, of course). Whether a performance is considered "leading actress" or "supporting actress", however, is all politics.

In other words, if the studio thinks that the actress does not stand a chance in the "leading" category, they simply list her role as "supporting", assuming that she stands a better chance in the latter category.

Whether the role is, in fact, a leading or a supporting role is entirely beside the point.

Hollywood politics.

That being said, Tomei turned in a stellar performance. As we all know, the Academy doesn't take too kindly to comedies, in general. They prefer other genres. But, I assume, acting in a comedic role is just as much "hard work" as acting in a dramatic role (if not more so).

Did she deserve an Oscar? I'd say "yeah". Did she deserve this Oscar? I dunno. I'd have to check who the other four contenders were to make my final decision.


A few years back, I actually "looked into" this matter. I think that I called or emailed the Academy. The basic response was: the members themselves decide in any way that they wish what constitutes a "leading" role and what constitutes a "supporting" role. There are no rules or guidelines, whatsoever (except, perhaps, for common sense).

But -- as with any competition -- people will learn to "game the system" and that has certainly happened here (with the leading/supporting ambiguities).

Throw in Hollywood politics, on top of all that. And greed (the producers wanting as many awards as possible). And ego (the actors wanting to win). It's all a recipe for disaster. It is ripe for abuse and, many times, that abuse occurs.

As you said, it's unfair to nominate a "leading performance" in the "supporting" category, because the actors/actresses who truly are "supporting" will, by definition, be at a disadvantage. The "leading role" (even it's it arbitrarily called "supporting") will always outshine them. And that's just not fair. It's not fair to anyone: leads or supports.

That being said: what "rules" could the Academy possibly set forth to define a "lead" role versus a "support" role? I can't think of any whatsoever.

It's sort of like what the U. S. Supreme Court said about "pornography". They said: "I can't define it. But I know what it is when I see it."

Same here, I think.

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Meryl Streep must have taken that year off. She almost did. Her only movie released that year was "Death Becomes Her", a black comedy that did not garner Oscar consideration.

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So I just watched My Cousin Vinny and I have to agree - Marisa Tomei did deserve the Oscar. She was funny as hell and somehow, I was more drawn to her character than Joe Pesci's character. I've yet to see The Crying Game but I'll have to when I get the chance to see what I think of Miranda Richardson.

But honestly, I think it is refreshing a modern comedic performance won because honestly, when does that happen? I've heard a saying that goes, "There is no business more serious than comedy." I have to agree with that statement and see the irony. In drama, you can act circles and cry and give off all of these emotions. It is easier to act out a mopey person than play someone who brings laughs for the viewers on top of giving an authentic performance. But in a comedy, if you don't have much wit to pull it off, your performance will stink and it will show. Comedy is not as easy as it looks. But actors make it look so easy especially the good ones.

Marisa Tomei was also really hot in this movie. It's weird to think with most "Oscar worthy" performances, you have to get ugly and play a hag, an old maid, or someone disabled basically.

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I agree she deserved the win, she was fantastic in this film. It's rare to see Comedic performances being nominated for Oscars, let alone winning, so it's a nice change. She definitely deserved it, she was perfect for the role. Her chemistry with Joe Pesci was also very good.

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