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Do you wish Alice and Uncas' love story was delved into more?


As we all know, the ending of this movie is fantastic. The first time I saw it though, I was wondering why Uncas went ahead to save Alice by himself, for what was basically a suicide mission. Then, the agony on Alice's face and her jumping to her death, laying right next to Uncas' final resting place, is absolutely incredible. I realized then, that they were in love and Uncas' love for Alice wouldn't let him wait to save her. Now, while this realization is fantastic, there is a difference between a subdued portrayal of love and a nearly nonexistent one. I just wished there were a few more scenes where Alice and Uncas interacted, not even with dialogue but even something like Uncas helping Alice walk or looking at each other in the backgrounds of scenes while other characters were talking.

What do you think? Do you like how it was portrayed or did you want a little more like me?

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I agree with you. I love Eric Schweig and I loved him as Uncas. I do think that maybe Michael Mann wanted to go further, you know. I think there were many things in the script that he wanted to follow, but there's the time limit, so he had to choose. As Madeleine Stowe and Day-Lewis were like, more of main characters and they were more well-known, for sure, their love story was the main thing. I don't believe that Alice was so in love with Uncas. If you check this board, you'll see that there are many topics about the reason Alice jumped or Alice & Uncas thing. IMO: Alice was young, naive and didn't know how the world worked. So, she got scared and realized the seriousness of the situation and the war. Uncas, I think, thought she was pretty and was interested in her, but not so in loooove. But yes, I think he went to save her alone because he had feelings for her. But I think Alice jumped because she thought Uncas was the only one to save her and he died for her. So, I think she feared Magua and wanted to be free. I don't think she jumped entirely because of Uncas, but yes, it was one of the main reasons. Also, I don't know if you checked out the trivia here, but apparently, there weren't any love scenes between Jhodi and Eric because Jhodi was a minor and her mother was in the set and wouldn't let be any love scenes between them (so, blame her too!). But I get your point, I wanted more love scenes as well. It didn't have to be much, just like three minutes more. Like a scene of them talking, glancing at each other, laughing, hugging, I don't know. A kiss scene wasn't needed, just more interaction. I love interracial relationships. I think it's awesome. So, yes, it would've been great. Just a question, the scene after Cora, Alice and Duncan are attacked, when the mohicans help them in the beginning of the movie, they're climbing the waterfall and like, they shoot Uncas face, like he's supposed to be looking at Alice, is that it? Is he really looking at her? Because they shoot him and then Alice, but it doesn't seem that they're looking at each other, as you don't see Jhodi's face.

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In that scene, they aren't supposed to be looking at each other. Alice is looking at the waterfall and Uncas is watching her watch the waterfall.

But I agree with both of you, I definetely would have liked a little bit more of development in their relationship. It didn't have to be much but just more glances or even seeing them in the background together in a scene.

And I wouldn't blame Jodhi's mom entirely for the lack of a love scene. She said no to any sex scenes between them but they did film something. Eric said in an interview on mohicanpress that they had a "puppy love" type scene which was mostly just kissing and embracing. He said that he didn' t know why it was cut out but it would have fit in and wasn't too long. Jodhi has even said that a lot of her scenes were cut too so maybe there was actually more to the relationship.

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Yeah, I've heard something like it. Like Jhodi said that many of her scenes were cut. But I didn't know about Eric. I mean, these scenes could be in the dvd, right? They should've put it! Well, we just might never see it. However, if Eric said that these scenes were cut, we can at least know that there was the intention of having Uncas and Alice fallin' in love. Good.

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I definetely think it was intended for them to be in love. Hopefully they will have an uncut version one day and we can finally see more of them.

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chiquiya bananas:

Yes, they were in love. But it is so subtle. It is mostly left to your imagination. In the lawn/tea scene Alice asks Maj. Heyward about the red man, if he has seen any, so she is curious.

Uncas, is the only person who helps her and treats her like she is real, and not a sickly porcelain tea cup.

Notice her hair is braided after the waterfall scene. Uncas did that (implied), to have her wear her hair like a member of his tribe.

Notice also, in the begining of the film, Alice looks sickly; yet by the end she has more colour to her face and she has this glow about her.

They were in love, yes, it is subtle.

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Has Mann ever delved into this subject?

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The director would be creating more than the novel implies of the unspokened love between Uncas and Cora (novel) and Uncas and Alice (film). He would be changing the characters a lot.

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Your post sounds interesting but carriage return? A few paragraphs? It is so dense as to practically be unreadable.

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I hope you don't like the Uncas/Alice pairing just for the sake of interracial coupling. I personally like them as a couple because they had great palpable chemistry, and the tragic love story as presented was more enticing for me than Cora/Hawk eye.

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I actually kind of liked the way they handled Uncas and Alice for two reasons. First of all, it leaves everything to the imagination. Secondly, that's how the relationship between Cora and Uncas was portrayed in the novel. (For those who haven't read it, in the novel, Uncas has a thing for Cora.) It mentions here and there that he will hold a lingering look on Cora, he saves her life earlier on in the novel, and at the end he gives his all to try and save her from Magua, going off ahead like he does in the film to save Alice. There's no dialogue between them that shows anything is developing, we don't really even know how Cora feels, but we do know how Uncas feels. I don't know. I prefer the ambiguity.



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A couple of days ago I found the script to the movie on a site. And they mention every detail to the movie wheather it was in the film or not. Here is a completely dropped or cut scene from the movie:

ALICE:

looks at the sky through the fissure. She sees the starfields and feels silver moonlight pull her forward. She starts out onto the island, oblivious, unaware she'll expose them. Suddenly ...

UNCAS:

yanks her down next to him. He pulls her head into his chest, looking out over the edge, his tomahawk in front of him, his musket near his right hand. There is no sign she was seen. He relaxes, looks at her and puts his finger to his lips telling her to be silent. Languorously, she lies back, closes her eyes and lays a hand on his shoulder, palm up, as if he were a prince in a romantic fantasy. Uncas tries to restrain her. Alice's eyes slowly open. Oblivion disappears. It's replaced with escalating fear. She holds onto Uncas with desperation. Her fingers claw his shoulders. She buries her face in his chest.

ALICE:

Her body shudders. Her terror's total. He tries to restrain and calm her. She won't let him. Then her mouth seeks his and in the passion of despair and fear and wanting life, she holds him between her thighs. And Uncas is confused, but Alice whispers his name and he responds. He loves her in the half-light.

UNCAS:

his hand buried in her hair irradiated by the moon, then she seems to reach some emotional climax and begins to cry softly, and Uncas stops making love to her and holds her. Then she's flooded with shame. He reaches for her. She jerks away. He reaches for her again and clutches her to him. And she breaks down. Then he turns her face to him, but her expression has completely flattened.


There is one more part in the script that I wanted to show. This is right after Magua kills Uncas


MAGUA:

moves on Alice. His knife is low, about to strike. She stares at him. Her eyes are like pools of deep water, calm, open, almost beatific. It stops Magua ...
inexplicably, drops his knife hand. He's riveted by her. About him, there's a glimmer of something else. He wears a human face for this one moment. He reaches out with his other hand to offer her safety. To bring her back from the edge ...

ALICE:

looks down at Uncas, her lover, dead on the rocks below. She turns to Magua with enigmatic calm. Her eyes seem to see into him. She steps off the edge. She falls to her death next to Uncas ...


I think this is proof that they intended for them to fall in love with EACH OTHER.

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Thanks Annie! I have also seen this script before. I think I read an interview where Eric says Jodhi May's mother was against these type of scenes out of the movie. I also think it would of taken away from the Cora/Hawkeye love scene because this scene is more sexual than the "Big Kiss" scene.

On a personal note I would of loved to seen this scene in the movie. I have always related and liked Alice's character better than Cora's. The Alice and Uncas love story is why I love this movie!

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I just want you to know I first read your post years ago on IMDB and I still continue to read it here on Moviechat so thank you!

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I agree with the OP, and think Alice did love him back, she just didn't realise till the end. I always got that from her acting when he is being maimed by Magua. The acting from all is just superb, the Academy nominates some garbage these days, and it seems like the lack of awareness of these actors at the time made them not popular enough. I believe Magua, Hawk-Eye, Cora and Alice at least should all have been nominated for major awards.

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she just didn't realise till the end.


I don't think ANYBODY realized it until the end, if at all. Her character was opaque, practically catatonic throughout.

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I was mildly obsessed with with The Last of the Mohicans for years because of the Uncas/Alice suplot, I'm really of to minds as to the way it was handled. While part of me would have loved to see the romance more devolped, I can't help but love the way it was done, because the other characters where oblivious to what was obvious to the viewer. which made me at least feel a connected to Uncus and Alice in a way that I didn't feel for Hawkeye and Cora or any other character. Their feelings for one another always seemed to me all the more impactful for the silence. I think it's what makes the clffs scene so powerful in the end, with the two of them lying next to each other. and the behind the waterfall scene is to this day my favorite all time movie scene.

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Having seen the movie and read the original script online, it's pretty clear that Alice is a total basket case and jumps because she is not strong enough to survive everything that has happened to her. I think Uncas, having taken the role of her protector, was her one line to sanity that, with his death, was gone.

There's even that line in that original script, after they have made love, where Uncas is about to jump through the waterfall and looks to her to say farewell and she doesn't even register him or look back - she's completely off in her own world and not connected to him at all. So in my opinion she's totally lost it, and hasn't necessarily formed any kind of real bond with Uncas.

I also get the impression, from that script, that she was very naive and overly romantic about things - I think in part she jumped because she felt like she was supposed to jump, because that's what you do when the prince dies for you in the storybooks.

Uncas is noble and kind and had taken it upon himself to look after her. I DO believe there was an affection between them, and we are definitely meant to believe that he cared very much for her. I think this got marginalized too much in the movie, if only because it's absolutely necessary to understand why he goes off on this suicide mission, instead of waiting for his father and brother, which really could have changed the whole outcome. He was definitely acting a little irrationally, and we have to believe there was some love there for that to happen. But the director decided to make the movie about Hawkeye and Cora, and not much else.

Honestly, to listen to the directors commentary, or the interviews on the dvd, he barely even says Uncas or Alice's name. He talks almost exclusively about politics and history, Hawkeye and Cora. Uncas and Alice are barely on his radar, even though they're pivotal to the finale. So it's clear where his head was.

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I just saw the movie for the first time today and I had no idea there was a romance between these characters until I got on here.

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The first time I saw the movie, and I've seen it a lot because it's one of my favs, I remember thinking I wish they'd done more with Uncas and Alice.
I also related to them more than Hawkeye and Cora and felt there was actually more chemistry between them, even in their limited interactions.
Maybe it's because I thought Eric Schweig was hot idk.

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I found that the ambiguous and subtle nature of their romance just made it better. We get to see a glimpse here and there, a look, a gesture, a word, just enough to realize that they have feelings for one another. And in the end we get the bittersweet reward of witnessing just how deep those feelings run.

The producers were spot on. This love story played out in 1757, between a traumatized girl and an Indian boy, both inexperienced in matters of the heart. Neither of them even realized the feelings they had towards one another in the midst of all the violence and chaos. So why would we be shown more then they knew?

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Totally agree with what you say. I thought it was subtle and sweet. Not everything needs to be "in your face" explicit … she jumped because she knew what awaited her and chose not to live that horror.

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I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Upon seeing this movie in 1993 I fell in love with their romance over Hawkeye/Cora's because I truly believed their undeniable chemistry and also lack of it as well was amazing. The innocence of both characters along with obliviousness to each other's feelings until the end shows some real sh!t right there!! Eric was smoking hot along with jodhi's youthful beauty and innocence blossomed on the screen. They didn't need to Mack on the screen. There was beauty in their longing and distance relationship. You can't find that this day in age in movies nor in real life.

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I loved them too. I think a sex scene between an innocent 18th century girl traumatised from witnessing a massacre moments before & paralysed with fear wud have been inappropriate & randomly out of place. But I think an extra 2 mins at waterfall where he plaits her hair to soothe her wud help explain their developing bond & why he took the risk he did. Also a closer shot of them lying together in death wud have added a lot. You can’t actually see them at all when they go over the side. I remember the old black & white version where it’s Uncas & gentle Cora who fall in love & when they fall off the cliff they reach for each other for a second before they die. That scene always stayed with me.

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