1991 the year punk died

I think K.C. was one of the great American songwriters, but, sonically, Nirvana didn't really break any new ground or push any envelopes. Far too accessible to be 'punk' IMO and Kurt Cobain was just a mopey, depressed kid who wanted to be a rockstar. He was, btw, influenced heavily by Ian Curtis and Joy Division. They were not punk per ce, but forged into new territory in their own right.
Malcolm McLaren turned punk into scandal, Viv Westwood turned punk into fashion, Nirvana gave corporations the ammo to turn punk into big business.
Incedentally, I think 'living the life of a scumbag' is grossly overstated in it's relevance to punk rock, in that one who aspires to be a scumbag is not punk, just a moron.

"Tom Bailey...it's cool?!?"

eh?!?
those who aspire to be a punk have to meet very high standards.
you have to rise above all the other scumbags.

what whould i be jelous of? kurts wonderful guitar playing? i could play better than him when i was 9 that being said i do enjoy nirvana's music and am just saying the grunge movement effactively killed punk

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nirvana was an incredibly band. all they did was make tunes they wanted too and they did. and everyone *beep* on kc's guitar but if you hear him on "the priest they called him" with william burroughs it's one of the best noise guitar freak outs ever. nirvana was a post punk band in the truest sense.

I don't really think that the guys of Nirvana were sitting around one day and said "Hey, you know what would be cool? We could ruin punk music!" No one really does, even the pop punk bands. Sure, they may be complete idiots and call themsevles punk, but it's all a scam to get the kids into it. "Oh wow! Punk is so cool! I hate MTV man, I am a true punk!" The same goes for the people that say that The Ramones, The Sex Pistols and The Clash invented punk. If kids today would take more time to look into the history of music they'd find that those bands didn't create punk, they were just at the right place at the right time. Now clear-channel, Fuse, MTV, and major clothing chains like Hot Topic and even department stores are selling this idea of "If you love Sid Vicous or Johnny Ramone you're a real punk!" when really it's all *beep* Anyway, like someone said earlier, some people could say punk died in 1991, but it all comes down to what you consider to be punk music. You can consider anything punk, if you want to. Everyone has thier own idea about it, but most people just go with the whole Dead Kennedys - Clash - Ramones - Sex Pistols - Germs scene. It's all opinion. And in my opinion it goes much, much further back than those mid-late 70's punk bands. It all started in the 50's.

And to tnyramone, how can you say the Ramones don't and didn't have any hits. Is it just me or is Blitzkrieg Bop on every television commerical and every radiostation now a days. If they didn't have hits they would have went down like The Damned or The Vibrators, passed up by the major media for those CrAzY punk rock bands the kids just love to death. Really, there are a ton of punk bands that never made it and will never be known by anyone except for original "punks" and maybe thier kids if they have any. Now there are a lot of "punk" bands that sound exactly like The Ramones and the Sex Pistols, because it makes money. If you sound exactly like a band that everyone loves, you're going to make some money. And before you say that no one really likes the Sex Pistols or the Ramones, explain to me why you see thier tshirts all over malls and schools, and why you hear Anarchy in the U.K. on the radio twice a day. Clear Channel radio, even.

Kurt Cobain did no damage to "punk" music. Nirvana was a talented and enjoyable band. Sure, I hate the fans and the idiots that think they know everything about the history of music because they have some Led Zeppelin albums, a book about Johnny Cash and a copy of Nevermind, but who doesn't?

p.s. The television channel Fuse is 10 times worse than MTV. At least MTV knows and admits they are mainstream, Fuse is extremely mainstream but tries to market itself as the anti-mtv.

" by - tnyramone on Sun Feb 5 2006 19:30:07
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pfft, billy idol killed punk first along with blondie and mtv in the mid eighties. I hate nirvana and greenday and company for all but killing it. Most idiots now have no real idea of what punk is and they listen to this corporate and commercial *beep* When they changed their songs to make hits they killed punk. Kurt figured it wasnt punk and he quit and was killed by his wife. but he did the worst amount of damage, but grundge is dead now but green day and my chemical romance and these emo fools ruined punk now. Kobains morals arent punk and he made his music to make it popular, real punk bands like the ramones and alot of bands none of you know of never made hits because they made punk, Nirvana made "popular" music and tried to make it punk, which is a mistake because popular punk is an oxymoron. Theres not one punk band that sounds anything like the ramones or the pistols or the dead boys that had hits. The Clash had Rock the Casbah, but that wasnt really punk and thats just when mtv went bad and they left mtv after that."

You are such an idiot. All the original punk bands were signed to major record labels just like Nirvana. Too bad the only difference was Nirvana weren't plagiarizing their counterparts. You dorks have no idea what punk is.

Atleast Fugazi is still around. Too bad they haven't toured in ages.

^^ exacly, i hate when people say that music died, that shyt is so overrated just like that word and its annoying.

* Hi, you're going to die tomorrow *

So, let me get this straight:

-every big punk band that wasn't really punk, killed punk.

-punk was obscure but lost creditbility since the mainstream thought it understood the movement that wasn't a movement.

-the conlusions above are wrong and i am an idiot.

What if it mattered (I mean really mattered) if punk died or not? So what? There's more to life than 1 form or style of music. Wake up, expand your mind and your life will follow. I listen to punk, rock, grunge, country, jazz, classical, all of it. Because I have a brain and I am eclectic. I challnge myself not to get bogged down in hatred and posing, I enjoy life and I celebrate EVERYONE'S life and lifestyles. Punk is a pose as anything else is a pose ("true punk" is a pose. Period).

Punk is dead...Punk is alive and well...punk is commercial...punk is underground...punk sucks...It doesn't matter and you're wasting a lot of time and energy with this pontification of "whatsoever of 70's punk, post=punk, hardcore and post-hardcore" blah blah blah. As the world (and not the "sell- out-commercial-corporate-crap-ignorant world, I mean the planet) moves on beyond you...