Sarah In T2


So Sarah is obviously a radically different character in T2 from the person she was in the first Terminator. For me, this is both a good and a bad thing.

On the one hand, from a storytelling perspective, it's good that she's had character development and that she's changed and grown from her experiences. It wouldn't be interesting or realistic if her characterization had just remained stagnant.

But my problem is - I simply don't like she character she's become in T2. Sure she's badass, but the Sarah Connor from the Terminator was the ultimate relatable character - she was an ordinary person thrust into an extraordinary situation, and that could've been any of us. In T2, she's cold, detached, disfsnt, aggressive and crazy. I do not find her relatable whatsoever and cannot connect to her as a character. She's unemotional and remains serious when John attempts to be lighthearted with her, and even when it seems like she's hugging him, she's really just checking him for bullet wounds. And then the whole business with Dyson - Sarah has practically become an unfeeling Terminator in this movie. And I understand that that's kind of the point, but it just makes me like her character a lot less. It's ironic that the Terminator ended up being more caring and affectionate than Sarah.

Again I understand why they took the character where they did - it makes sense given her experiences in the first movie. I just have a very hard time liking T2 Sarah, while I loved her in the first one. This is one of the reason I like The Terminator more than T2.

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Forgot to add: Does anyone else agree and which Sarah Connor do you prefer?

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I like the 2nd one more. She's been so paranoid about everything it drove her practically insane, but in the end, be it in her way, still showed a lot of love and compassion for her son, just like a tough love dad. The prophecy was kind of true, and she had to be hard and paranoid to survive, a new terminator could show up anywhere, and regular guns essentially won't kill it.

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I guess that's why we greet her at a mental hospital in T2. I see why you would like her in T1 better, but saying that that's the reason why you like T1 more than T2 sounds childish at best.

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Nah, just one of the reasons. There are others. Not trying to hate on T2, just sharing my feelings about Sarah. T2 is still great, but the original has always just appealed to me more.

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but saying that that's the reason why you like T1 more than T2 sounds childish at best.

How on earth is this childish? Sarah is a main character of the film and comprises much of the screen time. If someone dislikes the main character or the portrayal done by the actor (whichever the case may be) then it could easily impact their enjoyment of the film. I cannot see how this is childish.

At any rate, he didn't say it was THE reason he likes T1 more than T2, he said it was one of the reasons.



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I like her better in T2 because she's bad-ass and strong.

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I have to agree with much of what the OP stated here. As for my preference, I prefer her in the first film. There is simply nothing likable about her in part 2 (for me anyway). She is a badass, yes, but that doesn't make her likable. :P


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I would agree with the OP's Sarah Conner assessment that she is less "likable" at least in the sense that I wouldn't want to hang out with Sarah from T2. I think given what happened in the original its totally understandable that she ended up this way though. I wish Arnie had a lil more screen time in Terminator. As they stand, T2 is easily my favorite of the series (probably my favorite Arnie film), Terminator coming in second and part 3 a weak third. I didn't care for part 4 at all and never saw the fifth, don't have any plans to.

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You have to remember what she's been through, near death experience and the constant reminder of a nuclear war on its way. Also the scenes at Pescadero and in particular the special edition show just how horrible her life has become.

The last scene in the steel mill when she shakes the terminators hand and hugging John are a big part of her regaining something she lost over the years to.



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I get that. I love Sarah in general and her story arc, and how drastically (understandably) she's changed as a person. But I also prefer how she was in the first film. Just a normal person there. You're right though; the point of her being so badass/distant in T2, was to show how cold and terminator-like she actually had become! She damn near killed a man in cold blood!! That's why that scene right afterwords when she breaks down is soo powerful!

Something else I realized upon watching both films again recently, regarding Sarah, is that everything Reese tells her that she'll oneday do, does actually happen. But the REASON it happens is because of his death. That's the part he didn't tell her (he didn't know about). Her actions were due to his death, and the intense look on her face in the picture he has of her, were feelings she had about HIM, primarily. She kind of becomes like how Reese was actually, now that I think about it, whom also was cold and distant.

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Absolutely. It's things like this that just confirm how well written these two films are. Character arcs are so important in storytelling

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Spoiler for a 35 year old film!!

She actually has more changes in T1. She goes from dowdy waitress, to hostage, to unbeliever, to Stockholm Syndrome victim, to lover, to ultimately fighter and has to survive alone after (spoilers!!) Kyle dies in the factory. That's a pretty good arc, making her independent and taking care of herself.

In T2 she's crazy, to less crazy and becomes more of a Mother. However she spends the whole film getting rescued by the male characters (probably to do with Arnold's star power at that time). She does make the decision to not kill Dyson, but otherwise she's rescued by the Terminator or a lot of the decisions are made by John/Terminator/Dyson.

So i think she's more interesting in T1. T2 is great though.




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Well after the events of the first film, I personally found her character development 100% believable. Having her being a much more serious, aggressive character is exactly the sort of strong, female character that T2 needed. put it this way, if Sarah Connor only had minimal character development, This sequel wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as it is.

Bottom line is, When James Cameron was forming her character development, he did it like an absolute master.

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So Sarah is obviously a radically different character in T2 from the person she was in the first Terminator. For me, this is both a good and a bad thing.

On the one hand, from a storytelling perspective, it's good that she's had character development and that she's changed and grown from her experiences. It wouldn't be interesting or realistic if her characterization had just remained stagnant.

But my problem is - I simply don't like she character she's become in T2. Sure she's badass, but the Sarah Connor from the Terminator was the ultimate relatable character - she was an ordinary person thrust into an extraordinary situation, and that could've been any of us. In T2, she's cold, detached, disfsnt, aggressive and crazy. I do not find her relatable whatsoever and cannot connect to her as a character. She's unemotional and remains serious when John attempts to be lighthearted with her, and even when it seems like she's hugging him, she's really just checking him for bullet wounds. And then the whole business with Dyson - Sarah has practically become an unfeeling Terminator in this movie. And I understand that that's kind of the point, but it just makes me like her character a lot less. It's ironic that the Terminator ended up being more caring and affectionate than Sarah.

Again I understand why they took the character where they did - it makes sense given her experiences in the first movie. I just have a very hard time liking T2 Sarah, while I loved her in the first one.


I agree with all of the above.

As understandable as her character changes are, Sarah is a total buzzkill in T2, and her scenes are my least-favorite in the movie. It's so much fun to watch The Terminator and young John bonding that when the focus is suddenly shifted to cold, aggressive Sarah, it kind of takes my enjoyment out of the movie.

I think Cameron could have found a way to change Sarah's character in the sequel without making her so unpleasant. A perfect example is the way he so beautifully characterized Ripley in Aliens. Even though she was more firm and paranoid than she was in the first film, her humanity ultimately came out of her love for Newt and her bond with Hicks. She was still likable, even though flashes of aggression showed up occasionally (such as her distrusting of Bishop). But her cynicism remained understandable... without being insufferable.

And that's the problem with Sarah in T2. Her aggression is so over-the-top that it's actually ANNOYING. So what if she's "badass"? Ripley was badass in Aliens, but we were still able to root for her. Not so with Sarah in T2.

That's not to say Sarah isn't allowed some decent vulnerable moments -- I like that she becomes too overwhelmed with grief to murder Dyson and his family -- but those moments are too far and between, and most of the time, we have to sit through Sarah being mean-spirited and no fun to be around.

That being said, it's a great movie, in spite of this character flaw.

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THIS 100%! ^

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Bravo! Bravo! Yes, when the "Fema-nazis" come out to watch T-2 for the sake of only worshipping Sarah Conner, that tells you everything that you need to know! All that was missing was Sarah shaving her head when they escape to the desert gas station, while being stitched up from the wounds~ that would've gotten all the Fema-nazis excited, for sure! I also thought that John Connor's character was a little too "trans-feminim" in the same manner but opposite of his mother!

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