Impossible shot


The part where he shoots the bucket seems impossible to me since at the range he was shooting (thousand yards?)you can't see the target. How can you hit that which you cannot see? I remember shooting an M16 at basic and the furthest target we shot at was 300 meters. At that range it was very small and a challenge to hit, although I did manage to hit it. At twice that range, 600m, there is no way I could see the "man size" silhouette without a scope, much less hit it. It would be a very lucky shot. Either way, I loved the movie and would watch it again and again.

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Not impossible. You just need to work on it more.

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Read up on Billy Dixon at Adobe Walls. Billy hit an indian warrior at 1,538 feet with a Sharps rifle. If Billy could do it in real life, then Quigley can do it in hollywood. Also, look up the Sandy Hook tests where the .45-70-500 hit a target at two miles.

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Testing was done on the range after the rifles for Quigley were manufactured and according to the information I recieved from the manufacturer the rifles in 45-110 caliber were accurately engaging buffalo targets at 956 yards. Of course a buffalo and a bucket are two different things but, I believe it can be done.
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A fast horse gallops at 30 mph or 44 fps. The guy that graps the bucket rides about 42 seconds then drops the bucket which is 1848 feet or 616 yards. So, Quigley shoots a bucket at 616 yards. Note also that he sets the vernier only 1/3 of the way up the sight. Not an impossible shot.

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I read this entire post just to see if someone else would make this comment. Regardless, I enjoy this movie tremendously. For anyone else that does, see Tom Selleck in his other westerns; he is just as good. I would enjoy seeing in more movies like this.



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I started this thread almost three years ago and I'm still getting comments. Okay, so maybe the bucket scene was not 1000 yards after all and well with in range of the rifle he used.

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Well observed Mr. Bagley. Of course feats of distance in movies, be it the leaps of the 'Six Million Dollar Man' or cars and motorcycles, are all enhanced by the distortion of the wide angle , long depth of field, lenses used to film them. It is the reverse of the effect used by photo journalists to obtain pictures of 'atrocities' when long lenses make, for instance, a police officer branishing a truncheon appear to be striking someone who is actauly ten feet further away from the camera and out of reach of the policeman.

In terms of possibility, the shot is entirely possible even then.In 1860, when, to inaugurate the first meeting of the N.R.A at Wimbeldon, Queen Victoria fired a Whitworth muzzle loading rifle, set in a machine rest, at a 400yd target, the bullet came within 1 1/4" of the centre. The Whitworth contonued in target use out to 1000yds well into the late 1880s.

As with modern products, taking the lead in sporting competition was a recipe for high sales of equipment and through the last 40 years of the 19th century Witworths, Metford, Henry, Rigby, Sharps, Remmington etc. competed with precission barrels and rifling designs. In 1865 Rigby muzzle loading rifles tested at Enfield grouped 20 shots in 1ft 11ins at 1000yds. By 1870 early tests of the Martini Henry produced a 100 shot group of 3ft 2 1/2inches, black powder, without cleaning the barrel.

A multitude of competitions at 600, 1000 and 1100yards were shot in England Ireland, America and the continent of Europe. The bullseyes were normaly 3ft. In the 1876 Creedmore competition the U.S. team were winners, the Irish close second, despite Mr. J.K. Milner,s (Ireland) scoring a highest possible 15 of 15 bullseyes at 1000yards. In 1886 Gibbs of Bristol put 48 of 50 consecutive shots from a .461 Metford, in the bull ( the other two were not far off). There are hundreds of remarkable scores on record and thousands of very creditable scores that passed unremarked.

Slightly off track; on Sept 13 1937, at Big Fork, Montana shooting an
8 3/4" barrel Smith & Wesson .357magnum with a plain flat peep rear sight and narrow post foresight, two handed from a prone position, one Waldo Vangsness put seven of 10 rounds on a man sized silhouette target at 600 yards. Of the other three, one was high to the left of the head, one just outside the right arm and one between the arm and the body. The one between the arm and the body
was part of a four shot, approx. 4" group, with two almost touching. Nobody suggested that this was more than a fluke...but it happened.

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Every student of American Western history has heard of The Battle of Adobe Walls The general conception goes this way. On June 27, 1874 a horde of Comanche, Cheyenne, and Kiowa warriors descended on a trading post in the Texas panhandle but were defeated by only 28 white men and one woman. The primary reason such a small band of defenders could overcome a large party of experienced warriors is attributed to the fact the 28 men were buffalo hunters. That meant they were expert marksmen equipped with the finest long-range rifles of the day. Consequently they were able to keep the warriors at bay, inflicting numerous casualties on them in doing so.

At the end of the battle the famous buffalo hunter/marksman Billy Dixon shot an Indian off his horse at the amazing distance of 1,538 yards with a Sharps.50 cal

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he was using a 45-110 sharps. Nothing even close to a .223 M-16. He is also using verner sights, advanced sights used for long range competative shooting. 1000 yards may seem alot comapred to a M-16 wish is not a big game round, but to a 45-110 or a "big 50" sharp round...not so hard

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During the Korea War my dad hit a man (a Chinese soldier) at 900 yards with an M-1 rifle, and the M-1 was only equiped with the sight that came with it.

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Garand or carbine? I have a Korean war era Garand that has three hash marks on the stock. Fine weapon. If your Dad took down a man at 900 yards with a carbine, my hats off to him. It's off anyway. Thank him for his service!

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He was probably a jarhead. The marine motto is "every man a rifleman" Just look up the battle of belleau wood. The marines were making consistant shots at over 700yards & the germans supposedly christened them with their now famous nickname "Devil-dogs" for this battle.

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"He was probably a jarhead. The marine motto is "every man a rifleman" Just look up the battle of belleau wood. The marines were making consistant shots at over 700yards & the germans supposedly christened them with their now famous nickname "Devil-dogs" for this battle."

Sorry, Dad was US Army; but the Marines are great, too. My Dad was also a East Tennessean and good shooting just part of growing up in East Tennessee.

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"Garand or carbine? I have a Korean war era Garand that has three hash marks on the stock. Fine weapon. If your Dad took down a man at 900 yards with a carbine, my hats off to him. It's off anyway. Thank him for his service!"

Garand. He was enlisted infantryman - what's called an 11 Bravo today.

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usually the limiting factor in an accurate rifle shot is the person pulling the trigger. i have a ww2 german mauser and using surplus ammo with a date of 1946, i believe. i am able to consistently hit a tree about 800 yards away. the tree is about 20 in across. i'm just saying it's an old used rifle with old standard ammunition and i can do pretty well with it. so i'm sure with a less aged rifle (quigley's rifle wasn't 60 years old) and ammunition, some amazing shots could be made.

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I did not qualify for the Marine Corps. because (a)I know who BOTH my parents are AND (b)they are married (to each other).



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You can clearly see Quigley make the shot in the movie. So no, it isn't impossible.

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