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17 years later . . . Mixed Feelings


I had my parents fork over $50 back in 1990 to get me the first 2 episodes on VHS. I must have watched that thing 800 times - it was the sweet U.S. Renditions one with the hard case! Anyway, because of the price and the fact that casual anime fans somehow have no idea what this series was, it disappeared and I never saw the final episodes.
While I can't dispute that visually and thematically, this is one of the pillars of anime history I feel that it's a pretty dismal when viewed in terms of narrative. I realize the OVA format had to balance action with story to keep people buying volume after volume, but still - the story is very weak. Noriko never really goes anywhere character-wise - even after defeating the alien horde, she still makes assinine remarks about graduating high school. Then, for no reason, she's the one who bitch-slaps Kazumi into snapping out of her Coach funk. And the battles are sooooo hurried - if you leave the room to get a soda, they're over.
I'm inclined to believe that they just knew they wanted teenage boobies, time dilation, giant robots, and insect aliens and then made up the rest as they went along.
Still a classic, but not what I'd built up in my head after all these years.

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I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I must ask if you truly paying attention. At six episodes, Gunbuster covers a remarkable amount of ground in character development. Noriko develops in a believable way. Were you expecting her to go from cry-baby to Rambo? Let's address your complaint individually.

"Noriko never really goes anywhere character-wise"

Your kidding, right? Look at her in episode one. Could you see this character make the sacrifice she does in episode six as is? No way. In one, she's unmotivated, clumsy, and very dependant on others. The whole show focuses on her overcoming this.

"even after defeating the alien horde, she still makes assinine remarks about graduating high school."

So, she should act human any more? Just because she's overcome her weaknesses doesn't change her personality. Wouldn't you be bewildered to graduate high school, practically alone, after a long, sordid battle in space that changed everthing for you, when you're back on earth, but it's years later there, and it's only been months for you? A key theme in that episode was reconciling her current and past self.

"Then, for no reason, she's the one who bitch-slaps Kazumi into snapping out of her Coach funk."

Wow, you must've taken that soda break during the scene between her and coach. Coach explains fully that she is the stronger one. While she had the clumsy start, her potential and experiences allowed her to set aside her personal feelings, nay, let them motivate her, to carry out the greater good. Kazumi, while talented and professionally disciplined, lacked such strength oer emotion. She let it be a crutch rather than a torch, as Noriko did. Coack understood this, and she didn't believe it herself until the time came. You may have noticed that it's the only time she calls her "Kazumi" as well. They're roles had essentially reversed. The development in the previous four episodes supports this.

"And the battles are sooooo hurried"

Actually, they're perfect. When one has about three hours to tell a tale, one uses it wisely. The battles were part of telling the story, not the story. You want mindless action, watch Dragonball Z.

"I'm inclined to believe that they just knew they wanted teenage boobies, time dilation, giant robots, and insect aliens and then made up the rest as they went along"

Riiiiighttt. That explains how they managed to blend epic story, character development, action, humor, and drama about a girl learning to realise her true potential, coming to grips with sacrifice for the greater good, all while using time dilation to great dramatic effect, with plenty of homages to classic super mecha shows and spectacular animation, acting, and music, all in a mere three hour package. Talk about poor planning.

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I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this one. I find that you're falling into the trap of so many other anime fans in ascribing terms like "epic story" to a money-grab 80s OVA. There are people who say the same thing about Dangaioh, for crissakes! It -IS- entertaining and it -IS- beautifully animated, but I don't think it rises to the level of narrative perfection that you're arguing for.
I totally understand that you've poured over this material for 20 years and have a passion for it, but you'd be hard pressed not to see that someone approaching it for the first time would have a whole different set of criteria for judging it.

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I suppose we won't, but I fail to see how it being made for money affects it on an artistic level. Lot's on musical pieces and paintings called masterpieces today were originally done for a paycheck. I just think that they manage to tell an extremely good story in a clever way that pays homage to its genre and others, all in a mere six episodes by a group that had just gotten stared. Sure, it's not perfect, but it obviously did something right to stick around for so long in a medium where things are quickly forgotten.

I saw it for the first time five years ago, by the way, not like it matters. Of course modern fans might see it differently, just look at the reactions to Diebuster. It's all across the board from old fans and new.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.

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Gunbuster is like the retarded sibling of Evangelion, no reason to watch it more than once to see where certain shots or plot elements originated

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Gunbuster is like the ancestor of Evangelion. It came first and some of us watched it before Evangelion ever came out. For us, Evangelion looked like a repeat with a few adjustments here and there.

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I think there's a major development from this to Evangelion. Anno by then had a lot more trust in his boards, layout, and animation to tell his story, versus hefty amounts of voice-over and dialogue here. I might chalk it up to the nature of OVAs at the time, but I also feel the need to deliver the necessary amount of fanservice per episode leads to some really powerful moments being undercut. Evangelion had its fan-servicy moments, but compared to this that show found a satirical edge that gave them a purpose (despite my complaints, I still can't be too critical of what is some nicely animated breast bounce...oh great, now everyone knows I'm a pervert). Not to mention developments in animation technique.

That being said, simply because a later work shows more control as an artist doesn't negate his developmental work's entertainment and artistic value in other areas. Gunbuster's raw, rough edged, and still impressive for the amount of ground it covers in such a short timeframe. Other shows are a hundred times longer and don't match the scope and characterization of this series. Unlike Evangelion, its tone is less oppressively dark, so I can rewatch it more easily.

I graciously accept both, thank you.

"I think you praise it because you are afraid of being called a racist."
-Master Debater

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“and I never saw the final episodes”

Now’s your chance. Discotek is releasing a new blu-ray version. You can pick up the whole OAV series for less than the $50 you originally spent for just 2 eps.

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