Very Disappointing.


I was horribly disappointed by this movie. It just seemed like nothing was happening for a reason. Nothing blended. Nothing meshed.

There's this boy. He wants to go out with this girl he doesn't know and seems to already be hopelessly in love with. He takes her out to a party. He is unrealistically only friends with these two girls who he has nothing in common with. One of them had sex with a guy and writes songs about it and then confronts him but what happened is never explained and the whole scene is unnecessary. But that doesn't matter because they never touch on it again. Then Lloyd and Diane go on about two more dates. Then fall madly in love for some reason and have sex. She tells her dad and he doesn't care. She walks into her house at 8 in the morning and he doesn't care. She's super smart and "ONLY HAS 16 weeks before she leaves" to go to England for her scholarship. Why is she so hesitant to start hanging out with a guy she just met? Does she really think from that point that seeing him will make her have to commit for more than four months? 16 months is a long time. They fall in love way too fast and I don't buy it at all. And it's supposed to be some destined undying love. But it's just a snoozefest. Scene after scene of meaningless irrelevance. How dare Roger Ebert say in his review that they must've studied teenagers when writing this film. The two main teenagers seem to know a whole lot more about love than the average kid and the other secondary teenagers are mindless stereotypes. The party scene was embarrassing. I'm sorry about that mindless rant, but that movie just seemed equally mindless. It had no aim. No direction. I'm not saying it was badly written... just badly put together.

The response to this movie confuses me so much. It's a love story with no reason behind the love and no depth behind the story. It's just an unrealistic look into the love lives of some really unrealistic kids. I love movies that capture the audience, make them live through the characters. I couldn't relate to anything in this movie and I couldn't understand while watching it HOW I was supposed to feel what any of the characters were feeling when no reason was ever given to show WHY they felt that way. Isn't this movie considered "overlooked" or something? I can see why a lot of people overlooked it.

Never has a movie was such brilliant reviews disappointed me so much. What a godawful pretentious mess.

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Totally agreed Dogma, I heard such good things about this and literally wanted to turn it off at so many times but kept waiting for the story, acting, anything to improve.... it didnt

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I don't rate this film highly either. It has dated badly like all the 1980s teen flicks but it is considered a step up from most of that fare. It isn't really much better.

The relationship between Lloyd and Diane is pretty shallow. They don't really grow as people or learn anything. There isn't much conflict. There isn't really a message to the film, something it wants to say. None of the different plots interlink into a coherent whole.

Obviously this movie has a big fanbase amongst women of a certain age but it is not an all-time classic. You can say it is trying to be 'realistic' rather than, you know, dramatic/actually interesting or you can say that it appeals to YOU -- sure, everyone is entitled to have their own personal favourites. But this film does not have enough about it to justify considering it amongst the romantic classics. Will it last 200 years like Pride and Prejudice? No chance.

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James, you've expressed it beautifully. There's no real conflict (the part with the dad is definitely not enough) or higher meaning to all the stuff that happens and that's why there's no real reason for the viewer to get particularly involved in the lives of these characters (it doesn't help that they're not especially interesting people either). At least that's where I stand on the matter.
The people who love the movie see something in it that I don't, relate to it in some way that I don't have access to, and I sort of envy them for that, but not really, because I have my own (obscure) films I relate to far more than others, even though I realize they have flaws, so what I'm missing out on here is there somewhere else for me (like, for example, in Crowe's Almost Famous, which I adore). Different stories work for different people.
Of course, it's still a very nice movie, funny and well written (and well acted, for the most part). Just not special for me in any way. But I can see why others might love it and respect their point of view entirely.

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I don't see a lack of conflict as much as I see a lot of liminality.

It's not really a high school romance--they've graduated, they're on the cusp of high school and The Future, as highlighted by Diane's big speech in the opening. They're both making baby steps into the bigger world: between Lloyd, the IRS investigation and England, Diane's sheltered adolescence is about to implode, while Lloyd is breaking the 'underachiever afraid to risk rejection/failure' mold by making a move on the girl he's apparently been mooning over for a while, and then picking himself up when it blows up in his face. (Best shown by Lloyd's ghost of Christmas future, the guys hanging out at the convenience store because love hurts too much.)

So it's less conflict between the characters than the tension of this moment in their lives, that last summer of their high school years, while they're standing on that precipice and preparing to take the leap into adulthood.

But that's just my POV on it.

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"There's this boy. He wants to go out with this girl he doesn't know and seems to already be hopelessly in love with"

Very common for teenagers to "fall hopelessly" in love with someone they do not know. Of course it is most likely infatuation, but still the feelings can be some of the most intense of your life. In the case of Dianne and Lloyd I would say it was love and not infatuation, they were perhaps not destined for a long term relationship, but it was still nonetheless love.

"He is unrealistically only friends with these two girls who he has nothing in common with"

Why is it unrealistic for him to be only friends with the two girls. The concept of friends with benefits was not done so much back then, plus they were still teens. Nothing in common with? They were school chums and all three not part of the cool or popular crowd, they enjoyed just hanging out.

"One of them had sex with a guy and writes songs about it and then confronts him but what happened is never explained and the whole scene is unnecessary. But that doesn't matter because they never touch on it again."

That plot line was done for two reasons, firstly for comedic value, and second to highlight how overwrought and angsty teens can be over unrequited love.

"Then Lloyd and Diane go on about two more dates. Then fall madly in love for some reason and have sex."

Uhmm, many people (especially pre WW2) fell in love by the 2nd date, got married and it lasted for 60-70 years. Plus teenagers do fall in "love" quickly AND have sex quickly.

"She tells her dad and he doesn't care. She walks into her house at 8 in the morning and he doesn't care".

He did care, they just had a very open relationship. Getting in at 8AM, well it was Grad Party night, it was VERY common even for honor roll students to stay out all night.

"She's super smart and "ONLY HAS 16 weeks before she leaves" to go to England for her scholarship. Why is she so hesitant to start hanging out with a guy she just met? Does she really think from that point that seeing him will make her have to commit for more than four months? 16 months is a long time."

"They fall in love way too fast and I don't buy it at all. And it's supposed to be some destined undying love. But it's just a snoozefest."

You are being too cynical. Again teenagers do have a habit of falling in "love" very fast, and while most likely not true love, there are many many cases of high school sweethearts falling in love after 1-2 dates and who stayed married for 70-80 years.

"Scene after scene of meaningless irrelevance. How dare Roger Ebert say in his review that they must've studied teenagers when writing this film."

Meaningless to you maybe, but not to the storyline and/or fans of the film. Roger Ebert is a great movie critic and nailed it regarding Say Anything.

"The two main teenagers seem to know a whole lot more about love than the average kid and the other secondary teenagers are mindless stereotypes. The party scene was embarrassing. I'm sorry about that mindless rant, but that movie just seemed equally mindless. It had no aim. No direction. I'm not saying it was badly written... just badly put together."

You are being a bit anal and over analyzing what is after-all still a comedy.
The secondary characters were not fleshed out, as they are not in most comedies, and stereotyping is involved in 99% of teen comedies. This does not effect the film though, as it is primarily about Dianne and Lloyd, and Dianne and her Father. Its aim was to tell a charming tale of first love interspersed with some teen comedy, and for that it achieved its goal.

"The response to this movie confuses me so much. It's a love story with no reason behind the love and no depth behind the story. It's just an unrealistic look into the love lives of some really unrealistic kids"

Again I believe you are WAY over analyzing this film. "Its a love story with no reason beyond love" WTH!!!! When you are 18-19 years old it can often seem like their is no reason beyond love, so I guess the film nailed it perfectly.
Your "no depth behind the story" comment is very pretentious, again it just a small movie about teenage love, with a bit of a teen comedy backdrop. It sounds like you could not relate to the main characters, but is that the films fault?

"I love movies that capture the audience, make them live through the characters. I couldn't relate to anything in this movie and I couldn't understand while watching it

This movie did capture the audience (or at least most who watched it), and the fact you could not relate to anything in this movie, again is that really the films fault? No film is relatable to 100% of the people who watch it, the fact that Say Anything is held in such high regard by MOST viewers means the director was successful in telling his tale of first love.

"HOW I was supposed to feel what any of the characters were feeling when no reason was ever given to show WHY they felt that way."

You either intuitively got it, or in your case, did not. For those that did get it (most people), no reason or explanation was needed. they just got it, in that they could relate. For some reason you could not.


"Isn't this movie considered "overlooked" or something? I can see why a lot of people overlooked it."

The film was never a mainstream film tailored for mass market, it had no big stars, and did not appeal to the typical young movie goer (no crude humor, explosions and car chase scenes). Nor was it high brow drama like Pride and Prejudice. It was more of a niche film that was enjoyed by the vast majority of its audience. Only a small percentage of people that watched it, hated it. You are in that small percentage, which is obviously your prerogative.

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I completely agree, Dogma. I just saw it for the first time and I just don't get it. I had to come to the message board to see if anyone else thought the same. The only reasoning I can think of that people enjoy it is that pieces of the movie might remind them of themselves (or their fantasies). I guess it was more meaningful at the time.

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I honestly have to agree with OP. The movie felt directionless. The ending wasn't really that great as well. Although, I do think the whole thing was compensated by the great acting and the great chemistry. So, it was still a feel-good movie if you don't overthink it.

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Agree with OP. I see this movie as simply a series of events, rather than a "story" as a thing of itself. For example, I see the dad being sent to prison and it's like "So What?" - it really doesn't have much to do with the love story! I'm usually a sucker for 80s romantic comedies and high school movies, but this one just doesn't stand out for me in either category.

6/10.

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my favorite post in this thread was by t- eschberger. I know that feeling. You dont know why. You just know. Diane and Lloyd were an odd couple, but they mean everything to eachother. He had a crush, he took a chance, and she responded. The rest was history. They were two decent, kind, thoughtful, caring people, and I love watching them together. Seen this movie about 10 times over the years. All the minor characters are great too. They're kind of a greek chorus, because even the other characters in the movie know most couples dont interract like Lloyd and Diane. They're kind of mystified by them, while rooting for them too, like "hey, that's how it should be. That's how we all want it to be, and if anyone deserves it, they do. So why NOT them?"
I think it's one of the top 5 romantic movies i've ever seen.

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I am curious about something.
Dogma, it has been 5 years (nearly) since you wrote this post. You mentioned that you were in high school at the time, so you are now at least an adult, perhaps by a few years. Not that you are a completely different person necessarily, but I am curious if your view point has changed about Say Anything.
I was 18 when I saw it (back in 1989 when it premiered) and have always been very fond of it. I still am. Not just for nostalgia's sake, though I accept that may be some part of it. But I felt it captured the fear & the thrill, not just of love, but of honesty(which is a completely separate thing from love, often) and optimism.

In any case, I wonder what you think of the movie today.





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Agree with the thread starter for the most part. I saw this movie when I was younger in the early 1990’s (the same age as the characters in the movie) and it was a forgettable movie to me. My wife brought it home the other day and said let’s watch this. She had fond memories of the movie. I knew the title but couldn’t remember the plot. I actually thought Say Anything was another John Cusack movie.

Now I’m quite a bit older and still think this is a very forgettable movie. It just did not work for me. I didn’t believe the “love” between the characters and there was very little humor. Then again, I don’t find John Cusack funny. The best words to describe the movie are boring and low key. Nothing really happens that’s memorable. The best part of the movie is the love song, “In Your Eyes.” Great tune from the glorious 80’s!

I will say I had a big laugh with my son on one point (he watched it with us too). Early in the film when Cusack is the "key master" there is this dude with crazy redish hair. They have to drive him home. The shot of them in the car reminded me so much of "Seinfeld." The red hair guy was Kramer in the back seat, John Cusack was Jerry, and Elaine was Ione Sky. The guy with the red hair looked like Kramer as a high school student. Funniest part of the movie to me. tee hee!!

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But, he taught her to drive stick! If that's not love, I don't know what is.

Kidding. I think.

Anyway, as for me, this is my favorite "teenage love story" type movies of all time. When I first saw it I was getting over "the one that got away". There were so many parallels and scenes I could identify with that it freaked me out. I have often wondered if I would have seen it in a different light had I not been going through some of the EXACT things Lloyd was.

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I was just disappointed by this movie because Ione Skye was so jaw-droppingly, baffingly awful. It as painful to watch. Especially next to a talent like John. I ended up just hating the character and not giving a *beep* From memory, the writing was good, and it was a relatively realistic portrayal of things (besides the ending negating anything interesting revolving around Diane's dilemma of him vs college etc), which I suppose is why people like it. Even then, its popularity and good reviews are confusing as hell and I do not understand.

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My problem with this one is that I didn't like Lloyd at all.

Corey and her demented songs about her ex almost make up for it though.

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I liked this movie but I have to admit it's one of those I didn't understand much either. It's like other John Hughes movies I suppose where the characters aren't really explained. Like I don't see why people had a problem with Lloyd, he's alright, isn't he? Like Ferris Bueller...He was supposedly very popular that everyone cared so much about him being sick but they vaguely show why he's so popular. It's like you were thrown in the middle of story, but that is also what made them unique.

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