The drunk guy in the pool?


Whatever happened to the drunk guy in the pool? You know, his mom is sitting poolside with him as he guzzles vodka.

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I was wondering about him too! I remember seeing that scene when I was younger and forgot about it. I was watching "Heavy" on VH1 and they showed the scene, I'm not sure who he was or where he is now?

Anyone know...?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Holmes_%28musician%29

...Known for being a very heavy drinker as well as for his musical talent, Holmes left W.A.S.P. after the Headless Children tour and played in a band called Psycho Squad. He also played for Animal (with Randy Piper), Sister (with Blackie Lawless), Lax, and Slave. He also did some construction work apart from being a musician. He was briefly married to Lita Ford. He was briefly a touring guitarist for L.A. Guns, after they parted with Tracii Guns. Holmes is often very drunk on stage during live performances.

He is also well known for floating in a swimming pool, completely drunk out of his mind and pouring vodka all over himself, downing nearly an entire bottle in front of his own mother, in the 1988 documentary movie The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.A.S.P.

...The band continued with Unholy Terror in 2001. Chris Holmes left the band again in 2002, citing that he wanted to 'play the blues'. He hooked up with fellow ex-W.A.S.P. member Randy Piper's band Animal, but fell out soon. It's interesting to note that Holmes has claimed he never played on 'Unholy Terror'.

Dying for the World, released in 2002, was written and recorded in less than a year which is very fast by Lawless' perfectionist standards. Its liner notes feature one of Lawless' strongest statements about political correctness, inspired by the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

In April 2004, W.A.S.P. released the first part of The Neon God, subtitled The Rise , a conceptual album about an abused and orphaned boy who finds that he has the ability to read and manipulate people. The second part, The Demise, was released in September 2004.

In 2005, W.A.S.P. headlined American Metal Blast.

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I've known people like him, and I do think it was real vodka, so I'll take that property.

Homer no function beer well without.

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If you notice, he keeps dipping a bottle below the water, capping it, bringing it up, openning it and pouring. It is simply an empty liquor bottle that he is filling with pool water.

http://www.totallygeek.com/

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I always got the impression that he was already wasted and still holding the empty bottle while dipping it in the pool. It's no doubt that he drank alot so I don't see why it would've been staged.

As far as the metal being killed by grunge, I disagree completely. Don't you guys remember what kinds of crap the majority was listening to at the time grunge broke? Either rap or pop is all that mtv played. If anything, I believe that grunge revived metal and punk at the same time. Soundgarden's earlier albums are very heavy metal sounding, just a little heavier. Nirvana had alot of punk influence.

It's really a shame that every group has to fit into such a specific label. Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden sounded as much alike as Motley Crue, Iron Maiden and Dio. It's all some form of rock and it all kicks ass. Music has to progress, it's all about finding a unique sound or doing something different or more over the top than the next band.

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My brother hung with Chris back in the day and he confirmed to me that there is nooooo way in hell Chris would waste good or bad vodka like that. Besides, it would've burned his eyes when he poured it on his head.

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Right, and in fact the pool was fake as was his floating chair. His leathers were painted on and his mother was a trained actress. It was all shot on a sound stage in Burbank.

No really. MY brother used to hang with Chris too and he told him everything.

JW

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Actually, it was La Canada.

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I don't think being naive has anything to do with viewing that scene personally! I watched this last night and I thought it was real and then later it dawned on me watching Ozzy Osbourne pouring the orange juice outside of the glass(which they revealed in trivia it was fake) I could see that scene being fake as well.



But with the mom sitting by the poolside while her son talks about all the pussy he's had, ya, something just doesn't make sense in all that!!!

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I am in awe of any guy that can rival his mother, making her that p.o.ed while keeping her mouth shut, and kept out of the swimming pool.

Tom T.

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It looks like most of it misses his mouth.



"I dunno...burn stuff?"

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Most of you guys, I'm betting, don't understand the mindset and everything that was going on during that era. I'm betting most of you were about five when this film was shot.

I was about 20, and heavy into the scene. Long hair, earrings, crazy clothes. Spent my weekends extremely inebriated. Guess what? I wasn't in a band (well, I was, but not of that caliber). Can you imagine what these guys did?

I spent two hours backstage with Iron Maiden in 1986. Those guys could drink, but they were under control. Nicest bunch of guys you'd ever want to meet (except for Nicko; and it was explained to me he had the flu most of that week).

The '80s hair band scene was about excess. Guys like Nikki Sixx and Vince Neil drinking and shooting up to the point of near-death, and I can almost guaran-damn-tee you that Chris Holmes (met him too, he's about 6'6") was drinking real vodka. I know some bands though for sure that when they drank onstage, especially the ones that had Jack Daniels as their favorites, filled those bottles full of tea.

Understand this: Grunge would NOT have happened without this genre of music. And keep in mind who the real kings of Seattle were:

Queensryche. They came before Nirvana, Pearl Jam, et al.

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Grunge killed the hair band scene. The moment 'Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit all things hair metal became a total embarrassment. Grunge did not come from hair metal - it was the antithesis of hair metal.

As for Queeensryche being "the real kings of Seattle" - well, Heart came before Queensryche. And Jimi Hendrix came before Heart. Queensryche were not and are not the real kings of Seattle. Nirvana made history. Cobain will long be remembered for the great songs he wrote and the musical revolution he ignited. Queensryche, while not a bad band, is nothing more than a footnote in music history.

Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, and Pearl Jam are infinitely superior bands than Motley Crue, Queensryche, Dokken, Poison or any other hair metal band.

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Well RickyVee I agree with everything except the last 23 words of your statement. Yes Nirvana is way bigger than Motley Crue....BUT Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam is questionable!!!



Nikki Sixx was a excellent songwriter and lyricist than Eddie Vedder(and that's if Eddie wrote his own lyrics to PJ's songs). Motley Crue to me will always be a hair band, but they were a lot more talented than eighty percent of the hair bands of the eighties!!!

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OK, let's get some things straight.

Nirvana - 1990's (literally died in 'Heyday')
Motley Crue's 'Heyday' - 1980's

You cannot compare two different generations & two different rock styles.

Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam. Also 1990's

Were you even in your teens in the 80's? I was. I really thought Nirvana was just OK when they came out with SMTS. It's a catchy little ditty, but frankly, I like Weird Al's version better.

OTOH, Motley Crue was awesome. I saw them in concert. The concert I went to, broke the loudest concert volume record for my town. It was unbelievable.

Ohh, and Motley Crue STARTED IT ALL. Of all the 80's Hair bands, they are the ones that got the train rolling. They are the ones that all the other Hair bands copied too. Yeah, MTV had a part in it, but MTV tried to avoid playing vidioes of hair bands but couldn't because it was too strong of a force.

If you were not a rocker in the 80's, you cannot really understand it.

Unless you wore ripped jeans, artistically marked with a permanent black marker with names of the bands you like. Don't forget the Iron Maiden T, with a leather jacket & studded boots. Your right ear-ring is about 10" long, while the left only 4" long with crosses hanging at the end of 3 different length strands on each side. Unless your wore this, or something that closely resembles this "get-up" (girl or guy, but the guy only wears ear-ring in 1 ear) then you cannot really speak of the 80's hair bands with any sort of knowledge. Ohh, yeah. Don't forget the teased hair. And yes, I still have the ear-rings. :-)

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Wow, how can you EVEN group Poison in with Motley Crue, Queensryche & Dokken. Blea. I also lived that generation. Born in '70, I was right there & many like to think that grunge pushed out heavy metal, but to tell you the truth, it was already going. A bunch of sucky bands were being revered in the early 90's, that really shouldn't have been. The last great HV band of the 80's is Guns & Roses. They put a nice closure on the HV generation.

Ohh, and Heart is not Heavy Metal, neither is Hendrix. They don't compare.

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>>The moment 'Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit all things
>>hair metal became a total embarrassment.

That's what Vh-1 and Rolling Stone told you. In reality, there wasn't any one specific thing that killed "hair metal" (a term not even coined until the 90s; but it more or less covers what was known back then as "glam metal").

You had a lot of bands already breaking up or changing well-established line-ups (Vince Neil was fired from Crue, Poison tried doing something new with Ritchie Kotzen, Guns n' Roses was constantly changing, Ozzy announced retirement, etc.). Bands went from making one 40-minute album every year to one 60-minute album every two years (probably due in part to the new standard format of CD). There was already an anti-80s fad going on with the turn of the decade. Then you had listeners gravitating to new sounds on Headbangers' Ball and the hard rock stations that wasn't quite metal nor grunge (Faith No More, Primus, Black Crowes, etc.).

Nirvana might have been the final nail in the coffin, but glam was on its way out the door anyway.

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Yea,it was on its way out before the 90s began.Damn, I kinda forgot about all the crap on Headbangers Ball.But hell,I do remember hearin alot of sappy power ballads and total garbage at the start of the 90s.Slaughter,Steelheart,and oh yea,Silent Lucidity(the song,Queensryche,I know).A bunch of sad sappy tunes dominating the radio.It sucked, and when I was partyin,I was already regressing into Metallica,Maiden, and Judas Priest.Whatever the current scene was offering up on the airwaves was passed on by me and all the people around me at the time.Until I happened into a store and picked up alittle CD by the name of Cowboys from Hell!!Chris Holmes???......uh yea,I bought the debut,and the second,Last Command sucked.I was done with W.A.S.P..But I did replace that debut album on CD.Had to.Its classic.

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I'm not sure when the term "hair metal" originated, but by the late '80s, it was known as "kiddie metal" by many.

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As far back as 1987 we were referring to the glam bands that played the Sunset Strip as "hair bands," among other things that were far more pejorative. "We" being punks/thrashers. There were plenty of thrash bands playing those same clubs at the time. It was like a war. Still disappointed that Spheeris focused on the wrong side.

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hey rick


the only ting grunge killed was kurt cobain, namely wth a bullet through his face, which is precisely what he will be remembered for. i don't mean to say that nirvana made bad music and i totally love pearl jam, but the most talented musician of nirvana wasn't cobain it's grohl. kurt is an icon because he comitted suicide and i reject false icons.

further more you can't compare to completely differnet genererations and genres of music. you could as well compare pearl jam to abba. in one point i agree with you, grunge doesn't come from hair metal it comes from rock and roll. the good old fifities. like everything else. but reading your words i assume that you can't have very much knowledge of the history of music so i don't bother. i might just add that the quality of music does not depend on you liking it or not, it is just the result of the musician's craftsmenship.

so perhaps you might want to change your statement into something less general such as " i like nirvana better than ..."

by the way, please refrain from calling queensryche a hair metal band because they're not.




I am full of monkeys!!!

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"the only ting grunge killed was kurt cobain, namely wth a bullet through his face, which is precisely what he will be remembered for. i don't mean to say that nirvana made bad music and i totally love pearl jam, but the most talented musician of nirvana wasn't cobain it's grohl. kurt is an icon because he comitted suicide and i reject false icons."
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Good point, shadow. Although talented, Cobain's star shines much greater now as a result of the Sid Vicious effect.

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Understand this: Grunge would NOT have happened without this genre of music. And keep in mind who the real kings of Seattle were:

Queensryche. They came before Nirvana, Pearl Jam, et al.


At last! Thank you.

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The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination. -- Plain, simple Garak

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HEART ACTUALLY CAME FROM SEATTLE BEFORE QUEENSRYCHE.BUT U KNOW WHAT?MOST OF THOSE SEATTLE BANDS ARE GONE,AND QUEENSRYCHE IS STILL HERE.

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I don't consider any band Queensryche without Chris DeGarmo. Period. Even still having Geoff and no Chris makes them a barely passable QR.

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And before Heart there were the Sonics, a band that is still around and harder, heavier, and better than almost any surviving rock band to this day. I saw them play recently and they were heavier than any band I have seen in YEARS. Without the Sonics many many bands would never have sounded like they do.

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Well then Heart were the Queens. And then there's Hendrix ...

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That scene was staged. It wasn't vodka in the bottle but rather water.

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why do you say that Jesstears?

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The director admitted to it.

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that's weak.

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Yes it did - when you thought it was real!

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Got a source for that? I know the "Ozzy spilling juice" scene was faked but never heard anything suggesting that this was fake as well. I don't know why they'd bother; certainly there's no question of Holmes's intoxication and most of the booze was spilled anyway, so what would be the point?

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DON'T LISTEN TO THAT CLOWN.CHRIS HOLMES HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BOOZE,SO HE WANTED TO SHOW WHAT HE WAS REALLY LIKE.

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Lita Ford has said herself he was drunk all the time which was partly why she dumped him. First time I heard her speaking of him she said she picked this passed out drunk up off the side of the road LOL!

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the director never admitted it was staged, I just saw a recent interview with her, and she said of the interview that he did it conditionally on that he could drink during it, and they were forced to do it in his pool where he could drink. She also spoke of how they thought they had wasted the night and got nothing, but later watched the footage and realised how powerful it was. And to anyone who thinks it's impossible to drink that much booze that quickly, I live in an alcoholic county, and at least a third of the girls in my 12th grade could do what he did, and they do quite often...

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am i the only one that detects a hint of queensryche in alice in chains music?

just did a bit of research, turns out they loved queensryche. oh! the irony.

the grunge things self conscious deepness and tortured artiste shtick was as contrived as the hair metals decadence thing, except the hair metallers actually were decadent. kurt cobain wasn't that deep, i read his diaries, he can't even spell that well. i listened to his music. melvins anyone?

nirvana are still good but enough with the mindless adoration.

anyway, he's dead, and metallica are still touring & kicking ass. STAY METAL

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Back to the original question: Is he alive or dead - and if he's alive - what is he doing now?

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erm, the 3rd post in this thread had a link to a page about him.

but here's what you want to know;

"Chris left W.A.S.P. after the Headless Children Tour (1989-90) and formed the band Psycho Squad. He was briefly married to Lita Ford from June 1990 to July 1991.

Holmes rejoined W.A.S.P. in 1996 and remained lead guitarist until 2001 when he decided to call it quits for good. He was briefly a touring guitarist for L.A. Guns, after they parted with Tracii Guns. In mid-2002, Chris was contacted by friend and former bandmate, Randy Piper to join Randy's band Animal. Chris relocated to Ohio to prepare for the upcoming Animal tour "900 lb Steam" Tour in 2003. The tour went off without a hitch and after the end of the tour, Animal decided to go back into the studio to record the next album with Chris. Unfortunately, Chris had prior obligations back in L.A. and had to move back home.

Chris is currently helping produce music with a number of bands, including L.A. Metal legends XPELD, and still cutting guitar tracks."

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Why do everybody have to believe that its fake? Of course it's staged. You book an interview and chris knows the crew is coming and as all of the other bands of his time they lived a hard life. A part of the image that sold records to overprotected american kids is that these guys had no boundaries. And still, everyone can see that he poors most of it on his face, but he's probably just trying to prove a point. And that point is that W.A.S.P was the
"baddest *beep* of all time" Even in a liberal country like Sweden it created mass hysteria in media elite when W.A.S.P came to play. And if you read "the Dirt" you will find out on a deeper level how *beep* up these guys actually were. But thats just the thing, while the modern music has no soul these guys made music that if you listen to it today still says something and make you feel something.

And another thing. How many artists can you tell me about from the history that haven't been *beep* up in some way, and the fact is that its their *beep* up lives that made them able to produce this music. But finally, if you want to re live the 80s read the dirt while listening to all the motley albums. (Neil Strauss will love me for this free advertising for his book..;))

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I am an alcoholic. Slightly recovering. I would never be able to drink like Chris Holmes did in that scene nowadays, but I used to be able to. You gotta understand, an alcoholic can drink alcohol. A LOT of it. A non-alcoholic wouldn't be able to guzzle like that because they have a much lower tolerance. I've drank large bottles of whiskey, gin and/or vodka in the course of one night. Who hasn't? Especially when you mix it with juice or soda. It goes FAST! Also, if you look carefully at his actual "drinking" in this footage, you barely ever see his throat move like he is swallowing any of it, and you don't drink from your eyes, or your forehead, so I guess about 90% of what he pours out of that bottle ends up in the pool. He probably actually consumes around 4 or 5 shots in that entire scene. Not to say that he isn't or wasn't ever an alcoholic, but this was his own performance piece for the camera. An alcoholic doesn't usually waste alcohol. That's the thing you love. It doesn't matter how rich you are. To waste it just means you will have to stop and figure out how to get more sooner. I think the alcohol in the scene is real, but the scene itself is a bit of a setup, trying to make him appear crazy and hardcore, ready for the loony bin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1O5h-xWpro

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THAT WAS CHRIS HOLMES FROM W.A.S.P.HE WAS STILL IN THE BAND UP UNTIL ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO.I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS NOW.

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