I'm doing a report on this subject. Would anybody like to give any feedback on this? My opinion on it is no matter what the other person is wearing, that doesn't give the other person a right to take advantage of them. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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shareIt has nothing to do with it. It's not clothes that provokes the situation. Its the deviance of the monsters who cannot control themselves.
If clothes was the problem. than an awful lot of strippers would be victimized every min. ...
An awful lot of strippers are victimized.
I used to work as a bartender in a strip club. continuously the bouncers would have to throw out men forcing themselves on strippers. The strippers always left in the most unattractive, baggy clothes with little to no makeup.
And the reality was that half the strippers would've *beep* them for the price of a pack of cigarettes.
The attacker is obviously responsible for their own actions, but seeing as the overwhelming amount of rapists point to clothing as one of their motivators, it definitely has an effect at the very least who they choose as a victim
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The attacker is obviously responsible for their own actions, but seeing as the overwhelming amount of rapists point to clothing as one of their motivators, it definitely has an effect at the very least who they choose as a victim
Neither of you have any clue as to what you are talking about. Rape is about power, not sex. It's not about the clothes, or the attitude, it's about demonstrating dominance over another person because the perpetrator needs to feel extreme control over such things. This is pretty basic stuff, and it's sad that rape culture victim shamers like you are still abundant. Proof positive that more work needs to be done in the area of education on the topic, as well as education on how psycho/sociopaths operate.
shareideally this is true, but be honest.. if some scumbag has the ego to commit rape, a little bit of mental titillization, in the form of seeing some 20 something in a short cut cocktail dress might set off their baser instincts, if they were already drunk and on edge about the whole forcible sex thing.. get real here, Yes.. I KNOW rape is about power/control and violence.. but to deny that some aspect of sex appeal(at least when talking about stereotyped rape; that of a man on a reasonably attractive young/or so girl/woman.. you would have to have your head up your politically correct ass to see otherwise. obviously, no one is dumb enough here to think that "sex appeal" is the primary motive in man on man prison rapes.. but, it is a complex, *beep* up problem. and of course, the sex appeal, no matter how misguided, has a motivating factor.. i mean *beep* like it or not, but rape, Does in fact, in-volve, you know.. uh.. sex.. like what the *beep*??.. I am SOOOO tired of hearing die hard feminists who spend too much time reading Paglia and not enough time in the real world, spout this *beep* about how sex appeal has NOTHING to do with/is a motivating factor in male on female rape cases.. (KEEP IN MIND.. I AM NOT REFUTING THE !OBVIOUS! FACT THAT RAPE IS CLEARLY ABOUT DOMINANCE, CRUELTY, EGO-BOOSTING OF PERPETREATEUR AND ALL THAT...) All I am simply saying, is that... In Addition to that, In Some Cases(READ; Male on Female rape cases) that the sex appeal, of course would have a motivating factor.. Men are horny animals at heart and sex is always on their mind.. so.... WHY would this attribute be any different for the sociopathic variant of men?? This, also isn't "victim blaming" btw... tho, it would be prudent for a young college girl in a cocktail dress to perhaps not take the dark alleyway home.. just like how suburbanite kids about going into the ghetto if, at all possible.. the motivating factors for all these preventative/street smart/common sense measures all speak for themselves; while not being the cause, to deny that encouraging a pack of already inherently inclined sexual predators, by dressing and acting provocatively is simply myopic, and speaks to a non-realistic world view... there are bad people in the world, and you have to keep your guard up.. I am not being a misogynist, I am simply looking out; guys are horny animals, some w/out a conscience(females can be sociopaths too, but for the most part, that is beside the point of this conversation, which is about male on female rape and the motivating factors beside said topic).. and one must keep their wits about them, with this knowledge in tow.
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You do not know what you are talking about. Rape can absolutely be strictly about sex or some other reason than power. When Danny banged her that was the definition of rape being about sex. She was scantily dressed, drunk, doing illegal drugs and behaving in a highly charged sexual way. Danny wasn't trying to overpower her, he just wanted to have sex with her since she gave every indication she was available for it. Frat boy raped her out of peer pressure, and wasn't about power either. Then Kurt raped her to prove his masculinity, again not about power. You clearly have drunk the feminist koolaid that rape is only about power, which it is not. Why don't you read up on it and not just spout feminist talking points? Sheesh. What the guys did was rape and wrong but this wasn't about power. It was about a stupid woman behaving recklessly and paid an unfortunate price for it.
shareFACT: By definition it is impossible to ask to be raped. Prove me wrong.
shareThe only reason strippers aren't gang raped on stage at every performance is the bouncers.
shareWell, it probably only makes a difference in like 1% of rapes but the way some girls dress, literally like whores, I'm sure there are some men who would think it was then justified because they must be out for sex or something along those lines. I'm going to go with no.
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No, no matter what the woman is wearing, and however provacative it may be, that does not give the other person the right to rape, or attempt to rape, her. And this is coming from a male with a very strong libino.
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Of course not. It's just something a perp will throw out when they have no real defense. It's like when some creep buys a woman dinner and tries to force himself on her like she "owes" him or something.
shareAnd like other men with with "strong libido", you don't bother with reading properly a question or instructions. - J/K ;P
To answer the thread's question:
Does it have an effect? - Of course it does.
Think of a "pig", half-drunk in a bar, dreaming about more beer, or football, or whatever. Now if a chick passes by dressed nice, but not revealing, he might notice her, but most likely that's it. If she's there shortly, he'll probably go back to his thoughts as soon as she leaves. If the chick however wears very revealing clothes (tiny top, no bra under revealing nipples, lots of make-up, mini-skirt, g-string on display), if he's not too old or too drunk, he'll prolly get a hard-on. With that in your pants, your thoughts can hardly go back to where they were roaming before after she passes by. If he's a low character, with little to no respect for women, he might be tempted to at least follow her, especially if they're in an area where streets are usually not safe at night.
Now. Does it justify? - No. But that's a totally different question.
I know some will disagree, but people (especially girls/women) should realize that while the fault is only of the attacker, that does not mean nothing can be done to prevent it. It's like the choice you make for protecting your life: you can choose to go on holiday Baghdad, maybe even take a walk outside of the "Green Zone", wearing the American flag, but don't say you weren't looking for it if you get a bullet. Same with the choice for clothes, and the choice of where we go wearing those clothes. I do not agree that the assaulter should get reduced sentence just because the victim wore revealing clothes. But that doesn't mean that from a different perspective, she may have had her responsibility in what led to what happened.
Does a guy wearing a suit and a gold watch in a bad neighborhood deserve to get robbed? Does someone who doesn't lock their door deserve to get burglarized? Do people who leave their keys in their cars deserve to have their cars stolen? Of course not. Heck, I once walked by an open convertible in a parking lot, and there must have been a few hundred dollars laying on the passenger's seat, out in the open. I don't think anyone would be surprised if the owner came back to find it missing.
Each of the people in the above example were making themselves an easy target. They can get away with it most of the time since most people are fairly honest, but once a crook enters the picture guess who he'll target?
How does this tie into rape, you ask? A woman who wears revealing clothes and struts her stuff might is making herself into quite a tempting target--having guys hit on her and creepy old men ask for her phone number comes with the territory. Some even get a kick out of watching men fawn over them. Harmless fun, right? 99% of the time, yes. But from time to time there's someone willing to use force to get what he wants, and the girl dressed like a whore, trying to be the center of attention, and who's had one drink too many is the logical victim. The more sexual attention a woman gets, the higher the probability that some of it will be the wrong kind.
It's a question of probabilities. If a rape is to occur at all, the victim will most likely be the one wearing revealing clothes and flirting with everyone in sight. The victim in this case isn't at fault or complicit or responsible for being raped. Rather, she is, at best, imprudent and at worst reckless (depending on behavior, level of intoxication, attentiveness to warning signs, and the seediness of the surroundings). Making yourself the object of attention is a double-edged sword and the trouble with those is that sometimes you cut yourself.
I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.
Except in an overwhelming majority of rapes the rapist is someone the victim knows, and it's a crime of power and not sex.
When you're 17 a cow can seem dangerous and forbidden...am I alone here?except
To answer OP's question: it does have some effect. Revealing clothes might bring attention and with attention follows bad attention as well.
It also has an effect on the trial as a lot of prosecutors, defense lawyers etc will focus on what the victim wore.
However some poster made a comparison to a guy wearing a nice suit and a gold watch in a neighborhood getting robbed and pointing out how he, just like scantily clad women, made himself an easy target. Albeit not deserving of getting robbed, but an easy target. I object to that, as I don't find that to be a fair comparison. Say you have a guy, wearing nice clothes getting robbed in bad neighborhood. And say they catch the robber and bring him to court. Do you think ANY prosecutor is going to ask the victim what he was wearing or that the jury will in any way be swayed by the fact that the guy wore fancy clothes in a bad neighboorhood and consider him partly responsible? No. I don't think so.
But that happens in rape trials all the time. Alleged rapists being acquitted because the woman was dressed in a revealing way and they aren't so sure she wasn't really into it. Because you know, how could anyone that wears revealing clothes NOT want to have sex with anyone and everyone?
Most rapes are comitted by rapists who know the victim. Like family members, spouses, ex boyfriends/husbands, friends etc. So the 'rapist-targets-the-sluttest-looking-woman-in-the-bar'-theory rarely applies.
Even if it did, don't think the primary solution is to make women cover up more. Rape still occurs in countries where woman are covered up from bottom to top.
To tell women to cover up IS to place the blame and the responsibility on them.
Why don't we let that go and start working on attacking the root of the problem, which is the mentality these men have. The mentality that any woman that shows cleavage or some legs is willing to have sex with anyone OR that they are filthy sluts/teases that should be taught a lesson.
Most importantly lets STOP indulging men to think they are primitive testorone driven animals that if somehow get aroused are entitled to get off and the tease who turned them on has an obligation to put out. Let's stop letting men think they actually do have a point where they can't go back and that women should know better than to push them over that edge. Men have a choice to rape.
I don't care how horny my cleavage makes you, if I say you can't touch it, then you can't. Even if that makes you mad and frustrated, deal with it. It's not my job to please you or give you what you want. I am not here for your pleasure. And if you choose to not respect that, then you are committing a crime and crossing the line and that is entirely YOUR own doing.
So yes, basically I am saying in a perfect world, clothes shouldn't matter, because men wouldn't think that way.
Bite,
That is the best response I have seen on here and you hit the nail on the head all the way with that one. I was raped while serving in the Marine Corps and what I was wearing was irrelevant. I was wearing sweat pants and a sweat shirt. I know, REAL sexy! So it's men who see an opportunity and they take it when they find someone who is vulnerable. Rape is about power and control, not about sex.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." -Gandalf the Grey
Well you just managed to subtley justify this=
I dom't care if youare wear booby tassels - no one has the right to violate a woman. I don't care how much a guy( monster) drinks or fantasizes about football or how lg his libido is... there is NEVER NEVER EVER justification for rape NEVER- dressed as a bag lady or in a string bikini -- women who encounter these monsters have done nothing wrong. Read some of these stories about the elderly woman being raped. I seriously doubt they were strutting around. How bout CHILDREN who are raped. what did they do that told these monsters its okay to rape and murder them?? ANSWER IS sIMPLE/ RAPE IS NEVER JUsTIFIED
there is NO EXCUSE for raping someone. It doesn't matter if they dress provacitevly or pile on the make-up or are walking alone in an alley at night. Those aren't justifiable excuses for rape because there is no such thing. Rape is the worst crime in my opinion and there is NO EXCUSE for it.
shareThank you!
shareLots of people are saying that how you dress does not justify rape. But that wasn't the question, or at least my interpretation of it. What I believe the original poster asked was whether or not how you dress makes you more susceptable to the advances of rapists. Firstly, let me reiterate that rape is NOT justifiable in ANY case, even if you dress like a whore. HOWEVER I do think that girls who wear promiscuous clothing are probably more susceptable to the advances of rapists or molesters because that's how THE RAPIST thinks. Of coarse the girl is not looking out to be raped, but I do think that the way one dresses does factor into it. A woman who dresses in clothes that may look somewhat erotic will invariably draw the attention of men (INCLUDING rapists) than a woman dressed in something conservative. So yes, rape + the way you dress has an affect. But that's just what I think.
My f* ckin' hero! Mr White, Reservoir Dogs
I think you'll find that there's no evidence to support the view that the way you dress affects your chances of being raped.
It's not about the way you dress. It's about having power over someone. That's what makes it so scary.
I agree with the opinion of "Hector the toad", the way that you dress has an effect on men but I don't think it's the most important factor. The way you act, the way you dance in front of men, the way you speak, what you are saying, the ATTITUDE towards men are aspects to consider. For example, a woman can be dressed as a nun but if she speaks in a seductively way that can be more attractive than any sexy clothes.
shareIt's an excuse to "justify" raping someone. Yes, the way you dress can influence people's first impressions about you. However, it does not give someone the right to hurt someone else. Each person is responsible for their actions. Besides, first impressions can be wrong.
shareIt's an excuse to "justify" raping someone.Telling people to lock their doors is an excuse to "justify" robbing them.
Exactly! Movie, Erin Brockovich, I love it - guilty I'm a Julia Roberts' fan. Anyway, it's just a movie, nothing about sex or rape. Julia Roberts, a fine actress, in one scene as Erin when she was present in Ed Masry's office early in the film with a tan leather jacket, blouse & bra showing so much cleavage that other women in the office thought she wasn't appropriate (dressed like a bimbo or a kiss-a** employee looking for a promotion), but then again some of them were jealous and didn't have the figure. Well, while she was working on something, Ed walks in, Erin discusses the information she's found, he's impressed and looks at her attire and expresses his concern about her looking professional & not so exposed. Truth, be told, yes, she wasn't professional, but her response showed that she was a lot smarter than her look was going for. She just said, "I think I look.....nice." She had the assets and the figure - she should be proud of how well she took care of herself. She wasn't bending over backwards to get everyone's attention that they were ready to jump her bones. She just wanted to show she's confident of herself. A happy confident investigator means good quality investigative skills. Certain folks in this movie would say that the wardrobe screams that she wanted to have sex with someone in the office immediately, but that's not at all what the character was going for and the story was written so she never had to be.
Anyway, there's a wardrobe example for folks. Moral of this scene: Just because someone's wearing sexy clothing, it could be that they're just looking for admiration in an appropriate fashion (A simple "wow, you look very nice", definitely not "You are so hot I want to bang your brains out and suck your breasts, s**t" - a little subtlety would go along with this sexist quote). There's a difference between these two personalities and if you're smart, civil, sensitive, not twisted & controlling, you'll know the latter is against everything any woman with good judgment would expect, regardless of what you think of her lovely attire and what you like to do.
Exactly! Movie, Erin Brockovich, I love it - guilty I'm a Julia Roberts' fan. Anyway, it's just a movie, nothing about sex or rape. I seen this movie so many times I have the following scene memorized including how Julia Roberts was dressed. This fine actress in one scene working presently in Ed Masry's office early in the film had a shiny gold leather jacket, sky blue blouse & bra showing enough cleavage she hit the sexy radar sevenfold. Honestly, it was a bit much for office work, but, while she was working on something, Ed walks in, Erin discusses the information she's found, he's impressed and looks at her attire and expresses his concern about her looking appropriate, (hence professional & not so exposed). Truth, be told, yes, she wasn't professional, but her response showed that she was a lot smarter than her look was going for.
Erin just said defending herself, "Oh, is that so? Well, personally, I think I look.....nice." She took care of herself, so she proudly demonstrated what she could do with it. She had no intention of setting herself up to be attacked or expect such behavior. She was beautiful and she addressed to look beautiful so people would remember her accordingly. Her figure was just a prop, nothing more. It was what inside her brain that made the difference in the investigations she ran for Masry. A happy confident investigator means good quality investigative skills.
Certain folks in The Accused movie from the bar scene would say that the wardrobe screams that she wanted to have sex with someone in the office immediately and they shouldn't even ask permission or charm her appropriately, but that's not at all what the character was going for and the story was written so she never had to be.
Anyway, there's a wardrobe example for folks. Moral of this scene: Just because someone's wearing sexy clothing, it could be that they're just looking for admiration in an appropriate fashion. Subtlety goes a long way vs. direct target-engaged animalistic and eventually sadistic behavior.
I agree with the opinion of "Hector the toad", the way that you dress has an effect on men but I don't think it's the most important factor. The way you act, the way you dance in front of men, the way you speak, what you are saying, the ATTITUDE towards men are aspects to consider. For example, a woman can be dressed as a nun but if she speaks in a seductively way that can be more attractive than any sexy clothes.
Lots of people are saying that how you dress does not justify rape. But that wasn't the question, or at least my interpretation of it. What I believe the original poster asked was whether or not how you dress makes you more susceptable to the advances of rapists. Firstly, let me reiterate that rape is NOT justifiable in ANY case, even if you dress like a whore. HOWEVER I do think that girls who wear promiscuous clothing are probably more susceptable to the advances of rapists or molesters because that's how THE RAPIST thinks. Of coarse the girl is not looking out to be raped, but I do think that the way one dresses does factor into it. A woman who dresses in clothes that may look somewhat erotic will invariably draw the attention of men (INCLUDING rapists) than a woman dressed in something conservative. So yes, rape + the way you dress has an affect. But that's just what I think.
Rape isn't the worst crime. I have two boys and a wonderful husband, and a good life. If the man who raped me had murdered me, I would never have had those things. So while I agree rape is bad, it isn't the worst.
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That wasn't the question and speak for yourself when you say rape isn't the worst crime.
If you were raped and you got over it and went on to have as you say"a good life" than great for you.
I have worked many years at a rape crisis center and many of the women there have been in touch over the years. Rape has had a long term and devastating effect on the majority of them in their lives, and even with counseling they are never the same. It affects every aspect of their lives, and for them it is the worst crime because it is the crime that happened to them! The rape itself is often accompanied by other acts of physical violence and brutalization. You survived it and lived, but there a many that do not.
It dosn't matter what a woman is wearing, she can run outside buck naked, there is no excuse for rape.
Women are raped in countries where they are covered up from head to toe, because the nature of the rapist is to gain power and control over a woman.
WELL SAID vblaze- I couldn't have said it any better!!
"I've always depended on the kindness of strangers" -- A Streetcar Named Desire
I totally agree. Rape is a worse crime than murder. I would dare say that if anyone attempted to rape me, or if I saw someone raping someone else, if at all possible, I might haul off and purposefully kill them. I know that wouldn't be right either, but that's how angry it makes me. Though I do think that women should cover themselves up and it does cause temptation, the bottom line really is... get over it!! There's no excuse for rape. It's the coldest, most heartless thing you could do to someone.
shareNo it doesn't give them a right but when you dress provacitivley (sp?) than it tempts them. That's why you shouldn't put your kids in bikini's and "sluty" looking clothes. I saw g'strings for 6 year olds for goodness sakes!
but no mattter what rape is WRONG! Taking advantage of anyone is WRONG and I feel this society just lets these guys off with a warning and than turns them loose. There is no way to rehabilitate from this behavior. Lock them up for ever
I saw g'strings for 6 year olds for goodness sakes!
I agree rape is WRONG and digusting!!! But as shown in the film (and I am going to get slaughtered for this I know)...but she did dress like a slutty little tramp and danced like that in front of men who had no brains nor morals, ie: Pub Apes. That has to be asking for trouble surely? In todays world we should ALL be careful in certain situations and this is one of those for a woman?
I know blokes that own the movie just for 'that' scene and they say it was too much for them, short skirt, sexy heels, tiny top and a provocative dance in front of them? They actually LOVE the way QUOTE "the little bitch got what she was asking for!)
Not my opinion but there you go some blokes are a bit messed up with right or wrong, I mean would they like being raped in prison?
My 2cents anyways
"Are we really awake or have we fallen asleep in life's waiting room?"
she did dress like a slutty little tramp and danced like that in front of men who had no brains nor morals, ie: Pub Apes. That has to be asking for trouble surely?
Where to start?
1. People dance and wear revealing clothing all the time without any trouble because none of those things are particularly high risk behavior.
2. Studies have consistently shown that wearing provocative clothing makes someone no more likely to get raped and most rapists can even remember what they're victim was wearing.
3. Studies have also shown that flirting makes someone no more likely to get raped
4. Most rapes are planned in advance and the victims dress or conduct plays no part in it.
5. The vast majority of rapes take place in doors by someone the victim knows so the chances of her getting raped by men she's just met in a public place are tiny
6. How was she to know the men had no morals? She liked them enough to be hanging with them and 99.99% of men - even dumb men in dodgy bars - would never dream of doing anything like that
7. What does "slutty little tramp" even mean? Someone who likes sex? Someones who thinks they have a nice figure so wants others to appreciate it? Someone who wants to be found attractive? Someone who does what they want with their own vagina? What is so terrible about any of that?
You may not mean to victim blame but people who are raped go through enough self-blame and blame from others and there are enough cases of rapists getting left off based on reasons like that without people perpetuation those kinds of attitudes.
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Look up the tons of psychological research done on "rape myths".
One of those is the thought that somehow dress is an "excuse" or a trigger. This is untrue.
Rape is an act of violence.
Blaming the victim is ridiculous.
Rape is not justifiable under any circumstances, no matter what they wear, do or say! The only way I think rape is acceptable is if the victim has actually committed a rape in their life. Then they shall know exactly what they have put their victims through.
I apologize if people do not agree with my statement, but it is how I feel and that's what I stick to.
No matter what the case is no one has the right rape another. I do however agree with murrayr16 though. I fully believe that a person who has committed the rape should be put through that same kind of ordeal. Let them experience the repeated trauma a victim goes through even long after their ordeal.
shareYou have to bear in mind that rape is all about power. Nothing else. The ability to carry out an act upon someone else without their consent and to hold them entirely in your power. It is such a scary concept we avoid it and try to make excuses for these nutballs.
"She must have enticed him somehow...worn provocative clothing...come on to him..."
Do you realise that by suggesting this you are handing him more power because he has fooled the rest of us into blaming the victim?
Victims are selected on very different grounds. It is a statistical fact that having been raped once before, you are more likely to be raped again. Because you show fear. Fear, for the rapist, is good. Adds to the power buzz.
And that is why it is so scary.
You have to bear in mind that rape is all about power. Nothing else.
i totally agree, every rapist should be rapped themselves, Eye for an EYE!!!
shareWell, not the best option. I'll be honest. Look at it from this point of view. I have a history when I was younger for being the target of bullies. The sadists weren't very sadistic (one or two were pretty close). Evidently for a short time as I grew into adulthood, I became the very thing I hated and judged others who I considered whimps or members of LGBT community with derogatory manners. It was my insecurity and I should have known better before I let it get to that. I'm better now. I mentally repaired myself, so I'm not as hateful and judgmental by trying to think about my actions as if I was the one victimized in the past and figured others shouldn't be treated like my bullies did to me. Moral: Guess what? Bullies are insecure and low self-esteem. How they get like that? By being bullied themselves or not raised appropriately by their parents or quite frankly just had a screw loose when they were young.
Rapists are the same. The behavior of these individuals astounds me and as painfully as I like to admit it even though I understand your logic Zach and in some occasions I'd like to do more or worse but a wise person in my life said the best revenge for any victim or anyone who looks down upon the violent scum of this planet is to live better than the attacker. You have to look at rapists like they're just mentally disturbed folks who need serious psychological help before being put in society if ever again. You attack them and guess what you just tarnished whatever little humanity they had left and infuriated them so they might feel the need to do their crimes to others. It might make you feel better for some time, but in the end you didn't solve anything because rapists do their crimes for a reason. Rape is a sign of power & control, something the offender doesn't have and seeks by targeting others. In this situation, an eye for an eye doesn't always work. It's a double edged sword. Some rapists were likely raped themselves, many of them as children with broken homes or walked down the wrong lane, hung around the wrong friends in their lives, maybe kidnapped or assaulted. Others are just criminally insane.
In the past, I would loved to get back at my attackers, but honestly as hard as it is, the best revenge is living well and that's the way victims of all abuse should think. If you don't change your personality because of an attack and you still remain the same person, then they haven't broken you. That's the difference between winners & losers, survivors & attackers.
Sick way to put it but there were some points in there.
On the cover of 'Better Homes and Gardens', there are houses and gardens. On the cover of Sports Illustrated, PC World, and Road & Track, there are WOMEN...women wearing close to NOTHING. Women like men. Men like sex. Women know how to attract a man. You learn as little girls, and practice it as young women.
Women reading this: There's a reason you FATHERS seemed more uptight about you going out than your MOTHERS. Because FATHERS knew what went on in boys' minds. All he had to do was remember. Women do it to attract men. Sometimes you attract the wrong man. Cover up. We all know that there's no excuse for men taking advantage of the fact the they have more muscle mass and are physically stronger than women, but it happens. People are sick. THAT will never change. So if you are still at the frat parties with NO RIDE HOME, getting too drunk to drive, the friend that you came with is no where to be seen because she's just as much of a ditz as you, you're wearing a skirt that looks like a wide belt, you barely knew the guy in the fraternity but "He's was sooo cute and soooo nice", AND you drink any goddamn thing someone hands you because it's free booze (that you are too young to drink anyway), welcome to the bottom of the food chain, you deserve everything that you get for not taking care of yourself. Somewhere along the way, your parents probably warned you. Sometimes...just sometimes...those people know what the hell they're talking about.
Hey people! It's only a MOVIE!...it's only a movie.
"Hey people! It's only a MOVIE!...it's only a movie."
It's not only a movie, it's based on an actual event.
"welcome to the bottom of the food chain, you deserve everything that you get for not taking care of yourself."
And let's reiterate the FACT that NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED, you ignorant pin-head.
Did your "ditz", stupidly, place herself in a dangerous situatuion? Yes.
Does she deserve to be raped? NO.
If she is raped, is she to blame, or is/are the RAPIST(s)? The rapist(s) is/are to blame. No matter how she acted, or dressed, the "ditz" is the victim of rape, not the perpetrater of the crime.
Again: the question was not whether how one dresses gives someone the right to rape. There is no possible argument justifying rape. The question was whether how one dresses has an effect on the probability of being raped. The answer that comes back repeatedly is Yes. At one university where I was many, many years ago, the rule was that girls must wear skirts when out of the dorm, even to the library at night. The libary was blocks from the dorms. When the rule was changed to allow slacks, campus rapes dropped significantly. Why? Simply a matter of mechanics. Raping someone in a skirt is many, many times easier than raping someone wearing jeans. Has nothing to do with provocation.
As to being only a movie - this movie is based on an actual incident.
I believe rape is about power, rapists wanting to have power over another person. It is not only women who dressed attractively who are raped, I've read of cases where it's womens in trousers and turtle necks. Sometimes even women in Burkas. And it's not only young attractive women who are raped, it is all types, ages and appearances. I live in England and there is a hunt here for a man who rapes elderly women (and sometimes men) who are unlikely to be wearing short skirts. Rape is not about attractiveness, or sexual desire- it is just about power.
shareI think it can have an effect to a certain degree, if theres a rapist who prawls nightclubs/pubs etc looking for girls he might choose the girl in the mini skirt not because she was "asking for it" but because she's in a skirt and it's easier for him to physically do it than if she was wearing trousers. However as the last poster said there are all types of rapists out there, like the ones who like to rape old people. Bottom line I think rapists are going to try rape their victim no matter what their clothing.
shareIts stupid the way people carry on talking about how "rape isn't a crime of attraction, its a crime of hate", and how its all about power and not about sex. Wake up. Why are the majority of rape victims sexually attractive young women??? Women just like to think that its about power that way it is something reserved for certain sick individuals rather than an extreme extension of how all men think. You see a pretty girl, you want to have sex with her. That is how all men think. If he says its not, he's lying. If he says he's different, or is happy just to talk, he's lying. Men want sex with pretty girls, rape is an opportunistic crime of attraction mostly. Sometimes its something else, but mostly he just wants the sex and can't/can't be bothered to waste time with all the usual preliminaries. Maybe its laziness (why take her out, show her a good time, date her for a while etc when he can just rape her), or maybe its lack of confidence (she'd never go out with me, if i want something with her i'll just have to take it because i havent got a chance) but in either case it tends to be about the sex.
Try to think seriously about what I have said before you start with the stupid name calling because if you disagree with me you're probably a woman who doesnt understand how men think, one of those lying 'new men' who become uber-feminist as a dating tactic, or just plain wrong. Be honest with yourselves.
I understand that men see a pretty woman and want to have sex with her. But does he want to have sex with her while she is crying and moaning for him to please stop and maybe even yelling and trying to fight him off? Or does he want to have sex with her while she is clearly enjoying it and moaning in gratification? Most normal men I would think would want the latter and THAT is the difference. Reality. I certainely hope most men fantasize about having concentual sex with the woman and not raping her. And most of the time if they do fantasize about rape, it comes with anger and/or hatred of women. I believe most men would not rape just because they are "lazy" or have lack of confidence... the sex would not be gratifying to them with the pretty woman crying and in pain. Rape is about power not sex. I really hope you can see this.
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Did you know all of your post history is about rape??? Scary thing that you seem to be obssessed with it.
share"rape is an opportunistic crime of attraction mostly"
And where do you get this stunning piece of research from?
Oh yeah - where you got the rest from. You've been trying to project into a normal mind, but rapists don't think that way. And there is plenty of evidence to back that up.
Do the research - most rape victims are sexually attractive young women. Not ALL of them, I never said elderly/unattractive/conservatively dressed women etc DON'T get raped, I just said that MOST victims fit my previous description, and thats a fact, not an opinion.
As for whoever mentioned men getting raped in prison, well thats just about lifers coming to terms with the fact that its ass or nothing....
Clearly you don't do the research. The only thing that even halfway supports your view is that most DATE-RAPE is carried out on attractive women. However, the way you dress is the point we were discussing, and the research is clear on that point: it makes no difference.
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Actually most rape victims were victims BEFORE the age of 18, it has ZERO to do with sexual attractiveness.
Id like to see this so called research youre referencing, like actually, who are these researchers deeming what rape victims are sexually attractive? Sounds pretty f**cked up. I call bulls**t on your stupid claim
Sounds like you may have raped a few people in your lifetime from the way in which you think, Rabacop. Typical man. Lol. Always trying to make up excuses for your ignorant and selfish behavior. I guess you would support raping a 6-year old child. Sick.
shareSo you're saying the typical man goes out and rapes women? It's femi-nazi b!tches like you who should be shot dead and left in the f%$#ing gutter.
Sorry, tried to keep my comments nice on here but it offends me when some b!tch stereotypes the "typical man" as something negative.
"God be with you, Frank."
"Sometimes I'd like to get my hands on God."
I think you may have misunderstood the "Typical Man" comment.
She (or he) wasn't saying the Typical Man is a rapist. She was saying the Typical Man is "Always trying to make up excuses for your ignorant and selfish behavior."
At least, this is how I understood it.
Of course, this isn't too much better. But at least we're not all rapists, right?
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What is Metal Head going on about???
I think rapists do look out for what the woman is wearing in the context of looking for a "victim type". As someone said before, it is easier to get off loose clothes than tight ones (which would mean someone in a baggy T-shirt is more likely to be raped than someone in a boob tube).
However, I think rapists look for simpler things than that. Most rapists actually pay more attention to the woman's height and build, and what she's doing. Shorter women are more likely to be raped than tall women; as are skinny or small women. Drunk women, women walking around at night (fewer people around), women alone are all greater targets because the rapist has greater opportunity to overpower them. At college, we were told by police not to wear really high heels when going out at night (yeah - try telling that that to a bunch of young women!), to look up when walking and look at people in the eye (so no talking on mobile phones or staring at the floor), not to carry anything heavy that might slow you down etc. - but they certainly never told us not to dress provocatively! Ultimately, rapists are looking for a girl they can easily overpower rather than what turns them on - which again makes it seem a pre-meditated hate crime rather anything to do with sexual arousal.
Besides, aren't most men turned on by provocative clothes? If rapists and chauvinists say this is the reason for rape, then aren't they saying that all men are rapists? This is clearly not true - even in prisons, sex offenders have to be isolated from the prison population because most men hate them!
I agree with you as women have more options than men to say "Come and get me boys!"
In saying that Rape is sick and cruel but most rapes aren't sexual, they are about power. In this movie Jodie Foster was dressed like $50 would have her in a room with a view!
I mean nasty short skirt and fxxkme heels on as well as a revealing blouse? I'm not saying rape is right but fire a load of drunken men up that way and she was drunk herself and you begin to see her problems may go past a compliment or two!
Men don't have the range of clothing to say the same things and I believe in a way Jodie Fosters character was all but asking for it. Hard situation and it was I suppose. Cock/Dick teasers don't always come out unscathed! Women should be careful as to what MESSAGE their clothing is saying about them?!
"When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher's knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!" - Dirty Harry
Remember people, not wearing something is bad too.
So would you say a stripper giving a lap dance is 'asking for it'?
It would not matter if she had stripped in the middle of the room and had consensual sex with the frat rat on top of the pinball machine... the second the words NO, STOP, or DON'T came out of her mouth it was rape.
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
I agree with odium generis humani
There's no question about rape - you can't justy this.
BUT - the way you dress is important, because it sends messages - some girls dress in a way that simply says - *beep* me. That doesn't mean the rapist is not guilty.
But it's like a car accident - 1. I drive with the legal speed, and another car hits me.
2. I drive like a psycho, and I hit a tree.
In both cases, it's a tragedy, but in the second case, I was looking for it. It is a diferrence
Thank you. That was all I was trying to say. I will apologize to the "deserving" thing though, that was just a poor choice of words.
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer will be the (positive) surprise of 2007.
So freaking what if it sends messages? Men are not some animals that can't control themselves. And those that can't are 100% to blame, not the woman that dressed sexually.
shareSo freaking what if it sends messages? Men are not some animals that can't control themselves. And those that can't are 100% to blame, not the woman that dressed sexually.
shareI've seen so many of those frat party or house party scenes growing up in movies, I was so over it when I got to college.
It's much better to hang out with some close friends at home.
The beer party scene is overrated.
I have some news for you, it will blow your mind: WOMEN LIKE SEX TOO
shareNo, I don't think it has an effect. Rape is actually about power and humiliation, not sex. This is why rapists often batter or torture their victims. They aren't simply horny and after sex (if they were there are far easier ways to get it than forcing someone into it and risking prison time). If dressing in sexy clothing provoked rape, conservative women would never be raped. Elderly women would never be raped. Men and women who are raped in prison would never be raped. But they are.
So really, it has nothing to do with how you dress.