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Help me like this, please?


I know I SHOULD like this, because i love the people involved, but somehow I am just not getting it. I have tried to watch it twice and never made it through the whole thing.

I am wondering if I am missing something at the beginning that might give some insight, but I feel so lost when I try to watch. I don't know why.

It seems unclear and disjointed to me, and I can't understand anyone's motivations.

If you have some thoughts, I'd appreciate them.

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Would you tell me why you like it?

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Smoke some weed.

bigtonk

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I was just about to suggest that..

But, don't force yourself to like movies, its pretty pointless. I think twice is enough, maybe you just wont like it.

40Your things are my things, and my things are my things. - Old Japanese saying

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The movie's been made, released, found its audience and cemented its legacy. There's no need for you to like it.

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I think you've missed the boat. Most lovers of withnail will have discovered it on their own and watched without the build up and preconceptions. Going into it with all the hype and claims of "genius" I can see why it doesn't live up to people's expectations.

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Bruce Robinson himself has described Withnail & I as a badly-made film with some great dialogue, which I think sums it up perfectly. It's not a "funny ha-ha" film with gags and set-pieces aplenty, rather the humour is accumulative, and comes almost entirely from the characters and the dialogue.

Pay attention to the characters, what they say and how they say it. It will either all click into place or it won't. If it doesn't, you won't be a lesser human being for it, it just means that the film clearly isn't for you. Don't sweat it.

Make tea, not war.

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Perfectly summed up.



[ Don't get uptight with me, Man ]

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Nice one.

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Most of the people who are fond of this film love it so dearly that they find comments like yours utterly incomprehensible.

I know that's not exactly helpful, but I think this thread's been about as helpful as it could have been under the circumstances. One fellow's suggestion about smoking wasn't a bad one. Though I do take exception to another poster's comment that this isn't a "funny ha ha" movie.

If this movie doesn't qualify as "funny ha ha" then the designation is absolutely worthless. Film comedies that authentically generate actual laughter are rarer than pearls, in my experience. This one does that in spades.

But you're right -- it is somewhat disjointed, though I've never found it unclear. The chaotic nature of the main characters' existence demands that they (a) have plenty of booze, etc. and (b) survive any way they can. In the meantime, they cozy up with Monty, go on holiday by mistake, unsuccessfully look for acting work, get pinched for "drunken driving" and learn not to mix drinks.

I'm trying to think of another film that takes something as simple as being evicted from a tea room into something screamingly funny. I can't. This movie is a bit like a virus -- once you've been infected, words that were previously harmless become high intensity joke bombs.

"Cake. And fine wine."

Before I'd seen Withnail & I, these were just simple words. Now they reduce me to a gibbering idiot.

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I love this scene in the tearoom! "Cake. And fine wine!"
I saw this movie in London when a friend and I were staying at King's College in the dorms. There was a grumpy graduate student there who worked in the dorm cafeteria and he never smiled or said hello. One night we were sitting in the lounge area and Withnail & I came on the television. We had never heard of it and he couldn't believe it. He made us watch it and we were all laughing so hard. We were buddies after bonding over the movie. I love this movie, it's so completely absurd and classic.

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Perhaps it helps to have been broke in the city and living in squalor in one's youth? And to have been surrounded by scummy wierdos and have attenuated morals? These guys are in a special class and if you haven't ever spent time with their sort, it may be hard to get into the mood.

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Yeah, I think unless you've lived like them (I haven't) it's hard to relate to these characters. I still found it reasonably funny at times, but I never really got into it the way others seem to.

The English, and English actors especially, have a grand tradition of drinking to excess and wallowing in the squalor that comes with it. I assume the characters are realistic to a degree, but the lifestyle is so foreign to me, I (like Monty) found them pretty impenetrable.

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Yeah, I think unless you've lived like them (I haven't) it's hard to relate to these characters. I still found it reasonably funny at times, but I never really got into it the way others seem to.

The English, and English actors especially, have a grand tradition of drinking to excess and wallowing in the squalor that comes with it. I assume the characters are realistic to a degree, but the lifestyle is so foreign to me, I (like Monty) found them pretty impenetrable.


I don't think you have to relate to characters to enjoy a film. I certainly don't. I've never experienced being a rock star, but Almost Famous is one of my favourite films. I can understand why some people are disappointed or baffled by Withnail & I. There's a lot of hype behind it. There's isn't much of a storyline, not a lot happens, the dialogue and delivery make it the classic it is today. It's one of those wonderfully eccentric films that the UK is well known for producing. And no I don't think you have to be an unemployed actor or a drunk living in squalor to appreciate it. I'm neither of those things.

You keep on reminding me of a darkness only I can see

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"Relating" is not such a narrow concept that you have to have experienced the same thing as a character; it helps if there's an identifiable urge or desire that you can understand and empathize with. I didn't find that here, which made the witty dialog and delivery less vital for me. I didn't really care about these guys, so there was no resonance behind their quips.

Almost Famous is not about a rock star, it's about a kid who gets to hang out with rockstars. What kid hasn't had that fantasy? (I bet your answer to that question is someone who doesn't care for Almost Famous). Withnail & I isn't really a fantasy like that (if it **is** a fantasy, I relate to it even less).

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