Is Star Trek Voyager Better Than Next Generation? - Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987) Discussion

[–] LiteraryLadyofLothlorien 8 years ago

Kate Mulgrew is a great actress probably better than any actor or actress in Star Trek Next Generation, great as Janeway.

Better than Patrick 'Shakespeare is in my blood' Stewart? Hardly! I like Voyager but it lacks the gravitas that Stewart brings to the main role.

To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?

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[–] eyeguy72 8 years ago

I find that women like Voyager better than TNG. A woman captain might have something to do with that. Kate was excellent as Captain Janeway.

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[–] Tolyngee 8 years ago

Doesn't help that Picard is bald.

Also REALLY doesn't help that no one on the bridge even has any sex appeal. (I mean, come on, three of the regulars on the bridge are queers!)

Also doesn't help at all that Troi is a female stereotype...

TNG has women, but in watching the show... NONE of them are strong.

(Lwaxana is the only strong woman... but men hate her. Wouldn't shock me if women do, too)

But... Voyager later got 7 of 9. Can't get any more obvious and ridiculous than that!!! (that should turn off any hetero woman)

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

What do you mean 'Queers' who are they?

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[–] blakgard 8 years ago

LOL No. Just no. Worse in pretty much every aspect.

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[–] Nexus71 8 years ago

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[–] Tolyngee 8 years ago

How would you know? You haven't watched either show!

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[–] WyldeGoose 8 years ago

No. Voyager is not better than TNG. There are aspects of it that is done much better than in TNG, particularly with some characters and interaction, but Berman and Braga wreck it with bad characters (except the Doctor), technobabble-laden plots, insanity, and odes to political correctness.

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[–] frosted_one 8 years ago

I think you're out of your mind just suggesting it. Hopeless plots, one dimensional characters, ensemble cast largely ignored.

I have no problem with female leadership but Kate Mulgrew's portrayal was quite poor. Every time I see her attempt to be authoritive; normally with her hands on her hips or raising them to silence someone I remember a BTS flashback of TNG's casting when Billy Campbell was in the lead to play Riker and a member of the production staff who had been in the military said "I'd never follow this guys into battle."

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

Mulgrew is the best actor to ever appear in the Star Trek franchise.

I am watching Next Generation Season 1 and none of the episodes are as good as Voyager episode 'Scorpion 2' which has Jeri Ryan's first appearence as Seven of Nine, she is great as well.

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[–] moonglum9 8 years ago

I am watching Next Generation Season 1 and none of the episodes are as good as Voyager episode 'Scorpion 2' which has Jeri Ryan's first appearence as Seven of Nine, she is great as well.

Well to be fair, the first two seasons of TNG only have a handful of worthwhile episodes, but it makes up for that in Seasons 3 onward. So I will agree that nothing in Season 1 can match up to Scorpion. Measure of a Man in Season 2 of TNG does though. That's truly the first really good episode of TNG, but there are a lot more to come.

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

Yes though the episodes of Season 1 arent that good

I like the characters and the interaction between them.

I like Picard, I like Beverly Crusher, i like Riker, I like Worf and Data, i like Troi though not sure what she is meant to be, Geordi amd Wesley are the only characters i dont like.

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[–] WyldeGoose 8 years ago

Mulgrew is the best actor to ever appear in the Star Trek franchise.

Ummm...no. While she's not terrible, there are plenty of actors who easily beat her out. John de Lancie, Sir Patrick Stewart, Christopher Plummer, Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, Mark Leonard, Joan Collins, DeForest Kelly, William Windom, James Doohan, Brent Spiner, Avery Brooks, Rene Auberjonois, Armin Shimmermann, William Campbell, John Colicos, Roger C. Carmel, Ricardo Montalban, David Warner, and Robert Picardo were better.

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

William 'ham sandwich' Shatner better than Mulgrew

Sorry it took me a while to answer i was too busy laughing.

He won a Worst Actor Razzie for The Final Frontier (1989)

Doohan is awful as well.

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[–] Inspector81 8 years ago

Yeah, Shatner is a better actor than Mulgrew, and Voyager is the worst of the Star Trek TV series, it's nowhere near the best, LMAO.

"Scorpion" is Voyager's best episode, and comparing it to Season 1 of TNG is a laugh. That's like comparing "The Best of Both Worlds" to Season 1 of Voyager, it's not even close. Voyager needed Jeri Ryan in a skin tight cat suit to save it's show otherwise it would've been cancelled after 4 Seasons like Enterprise. Repeat, Jeri Ryan, NOT Kate Mulgrew SAVED Voyager.

Shatner is a legend that Mulgrew will never, ever touch. If it wasn't for Shatner, Doohan, Nimoy, Kelly and the rest of the original cast you would've never had a Star Trek Voyager.

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

Yet Voyager lasted much much longer than Shatner's Star Trek didnt it?

Shatner is a joke, he had an ego the size of the ship, and a waistline almost as big no amount or corsets and girdles woukd change that and his hair changing every episode is amusing.

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[–] Inspector81 8 years ago

Shatner's Star Trek lasted 28 years from 1966-94, including The Original Series (1966-69), The Animated Series (1973-74), and 7 feature films (1979-94). Shatner's Star Trek was so popular it was also rebooted into 3 feature films which is still going today, 50 years after Shatner's Star Trek first aired.

What's Voyager up to lately? Oh that's right nothing, it barely lasted 6 years on TV from 1995-2001.

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

Yeah and Sh!tner's Star Trek was going to be cancelled after 2 Seasons but was saved and had a crap Season 3 then was cancelled and The Animated Series lasted a year was it?

Kate Mulgrew is in Orange Is The New Black which is great.

Sh!tner cant act

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[–] WyldeGoose 8 years ago

Well, it's true: You can't spell William Shatner without H-a-m. But, here's the thing about him and his acting: Whenever he's doing his thing, you can't take your eyes off him. Meaning, he's never boring. And it helps if the screenwriting he had available to him was marginally much better than what Voyager routinely displayed.

I have nothing against Kate Mulgrew as an actress, but it was the way they wrote her character that made her rather psychopathic by comparison to Kirk, Picard, and Sisko (although we could have a fun little dialogue about Archer's craziness). They had a good premise initially, but they flushed it completely down the toilet for the sake of political correctness. They could've written her character to be worthy to sit in the center seat because she deserved to be there, not because she somehow managed to convince some admiral that she ought to be there (let your imagination run wild about how that happened). That if she always had this Damocles' Sword of a potential mutiny dangling over her head in every episode, it would've made Voyager a whole lot more compelling.

By comparison, Mulgrew shines as a Russian convict in Orange is the New Black. In fact, she almost damn near steals the show with her appearances. Unfortunately, she wasn't allowed to really shine in Voyager, and that's a shame. It probably isn't her fault, but those are the breaks. Shatner was a lot more interesting to watch, and Kirk was a lot less irritating (or loathsome) as a character.

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[–] jakeconhale 8 years ago

Campbell I can't speak to, though not overly impressed with him as Koloth or Trelane, and I'm only familiar with Carmel as the one-note Mudd, but Colicos? Really?

The scene-chewing, super hammy, moustache-twirling antagonist of both Errand of Mercy (Kor) and the original Battlestar Galactica (Baltar)? Granted, he managed to pull off a subtle performance in BSG's Lost Planet of the Gods, where it's impossible to determine which side he's really on, but still...

Seriously?

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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[–] WyldeGoose 8 years ago

They were all mainly stage actors before coming to the small screen (and, in some cases, the big screen), and in order to perform on stage you have to be a bit hammy and melodramatic in order so that the folks in the back-rows of the theater can see and hear you. That's something that's rather lost on TV producers today, opting for more of a realistic performance than something that really captures interest.

William Campbell's Trelane would be the template for John de Lancie's Q; irreverent, obnoxious, arrogant, and deceitful. Who else can you pit ham-on-ham against William Shatner, apart from John Colicos, Roger Carmel, and Ricardo Montalban? Star Trek has always been good when it's been a bit hammy, and that's what we remember fondly about TOS. Remember that first a show must entertain.

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[–] Nakitaakita-1 8 years ago

So you are comparing two seasons with one episode,
Of a show that has been off the air for 25 years and still gets a lot of attention,
Because pretty much one actress that was objectified so badly that they made here wear a costume that made her faint.
Okay🙄
She deleted 33,000 e-mails AFTER congress' subpoena for them !

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[–] memayse1701 8 years ago

Who said that about Billy Campbell?

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[–] foebane72 8 years ago

I have seen a few episodes of Voyager and it looks better, the opening credits are beautiful, the space scenes look better there are a lot of good space battles.

Which episodes did you see?
Yes, I too agree that the opening credits and theme are simply the best out of ANY Star Trek series.
How does it "look better"? Must be the CGI, which can yield more varied results, including for space battles - after all, DS9 did well on CGI space battles.

Kate Mulgrew is a great actress probably better than any actor or actress in Star Trek Next Generation, great as Janeway.

She IS good, but then so are many other actors in Trek who are better or just as good.

The crew ae good with The Doctor being an awesome character.

Such a pity the crew never got as much screen time as Janeway, the Doctor or Seven, especially in the second half of the series. I particularly liked Tuvok and Kim, even though he unfathomably remained an Ensign from start to finish - no promotions?

Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine, the former Borg is awesome, i watched her first appearence in Scorpion at the start of Season 4, a gorgeous woman even in full Borg form, but obviously looks better when she goes back to human form, very interesting character, My friend who was a big Star Trek fan went to a convention and bought an action figure of Seven Of Nine and Jeri Ryan was at the convention and she signed the box.

Seven of Nine is OK, but you seem extremely hung up on her - is it the sexy suits she wears? That sort of thing appeals to teenage males who are particularly horny.

Is Voyager better than Next Generation?

No, DS9 is. Voyager, I think, is better than Enterprise, but then many people dislike Voyager intensely, but I was willing to give it a full chance (watch all episodes) and I think the quality varies enormously. I personally like many episodes of it, but also acknowledge those episodes that are generally regarded as bad.

I'd rate the series as such:
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. VOY
4. ENT
5. TOS

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

I cant stand Deep Space 9, only episode i watched was rhe first episode as it has the great Patrick Stewart as Picard

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[–] foebane72 8 years ago

And you claim to like space battles. DS9 had THE largest space battles in ALL of Star Trek, with an enemy that was 1000x more evil and dangerous than the Borg!

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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[–] XFiles26 8 years ago

But no great actor like Patrick Stewart or Kate Mulgrew

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[–] foebane72 8 years ago

You're coming across as a TROLL to me, XFiles26. Definitely as you only joined last month, and I'm certain there WAS an "XFiles" inhabiting this board a long time ago, but maybe they got deleted?

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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[–] Tolyngee 8 years ago

Your rate TOS as the lowest Trek series, and you're calling others a troll???

/meme Not sure if serious....

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[–] foebane72 8 years ago

Your rate TOS as the lowest Trek series, and you're calling others a troll???

Just cos it's the original, doesn't mean it's the best. Besides, TOS is too sixties for me.

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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[–] Inspector81 8 years ago

Just cos it's the original, doesn't mean it's the best.

Yeah it does, because if it wasn't for the success of the original, there wouldn't be TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and now Discovery 50 YEARS later.

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[–] frosted_one 8 years ago

I have to agree given the huge flaw that was the Voyager plot you can't compare it to any of the other series. Just a piece of space junk!

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[–] foebane72 8 years ago

Sorry, FrostedOne, but I never said Voyager sucked. It might not have stuck with its premise of being a lone Federation Starship in uncharted space, facing enemies everywhere and dwindling resources and the whole dynamic of Federation vs Maquis on board (so apart from "Year of Hell" it failed) but ultimately I still think it's entertaining as a sort of TNG Lite show, where this time the alien species and worlds are almost totally unknown, except for the odd Klingon or Romulan. Not to mention Borg space, even if they did wimpify them in the end and made them Janeway's bitch. I still like Voyager more than TOS, for example.

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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[–] frosted_one 8 years ago

I have to agree given the huge flaw that was the Voyager storyline you can't compare it to any of the other series. Just a piece of space junk!

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[–] Kruleworld 8 years ago

I cant stand Deep Space 9, only episode i watched was rhe first episode

that's like saying you don't like chinese-food because you had some noodles once.
try watching at least one SEASON before making that assumption (and DS9 needed a few seasons to hit its stride, as TNG did)

"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"

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[–] Cmmisc-176-683795 8 years ago

I like both series, but I'd have to give the nod to TNG. There are far more really good episodes, and it dealt with social issues much more.

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[–] timmytony80 8 years ago

Cmmisc 176 893###; And a neutered TOS!

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