The ambush scene


There's a couple of things which do not sit right with me on this one.

First of all, it seems obvious that this is the first time Clint has been asked to take a fall, based on his reaction to Lt. Ring. But Stitch said they'd been ambushed three times before with that purpose, always in the same place. But Stitch couldn't possibly have signed up for the corps until at most a day before Highway assumed command, and so couldn't possibly have been through that scenario before.

The second thing is when two guys trip over a trip-wire, simulating a booby-trap. Highway then berates Profile for not providing cover fire. Cover fire against what, exactly? They weren't being fired upon, there was no enemy in sight, so in what direction was Profile supposed to direct his fire?

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I'm with you on the second point (with the weird request for cover fire), but get a bit iffy on the first one.
Why couldn't Stitch just have been on leave (authorized or not) and was on his way back to the compound, when he met Eastwood?
That is at least how I always saw it. I just feel that Stitch looked and acted way to confident in the Recon-barracks to having been there just a day or two.

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As a lance corporal, Stitch was actually one of the higher ranking members of the platoon. (Where the other NCOs between him and Highway within the platoon were is another issue!) He was no newbie.

Any enemy minefield, booby trap or other obstacle should be assumed to be under watch by the enemy and inside his kill zone to take advantage of the immobilization/delay that the obstacle causes. Profile's job in that situation was supposed to be to provide counterfire to suppress the enemy's fire, wherever it was coming from, and help the other men get out of the kill zone.

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Yeah, when you see Stitch in the beginning of the movie, he's not on the bus just enlisting, he's been in for a while. Hence, how he knows about the old sargent, and already knew all the guys, and knows about the Swede, etc...

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You provide cover fire against enemy fire, sure, but if there is no fire there is no point in shooting blind. Not only is it a waste of ammunition, but also reveals to the enemy, beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a man, not an animal what tripped the wire; furthermore that he was travelling with a group of armed men and therefore most likely hostiles; and moreover opening fire against an enemy you cannot see will only serve to reveal your position. Even if the trap is under watch (which is not given), the soldiers who didn't set off the mine/booby trap are not automatically detected. Unless, of course, they make their presence known by opening fire.

In this particular case, to the best of my recollection, they were walking along a dirt road when the two point men both tripped across a rope simulating a trip wire. Profile was following several meters behind, and the rest were following even further behind. I'd say the most logical thing to do in that situation would be to get off the road and seek cover, before contemplating covering fire.

Mind you, there are exceptions to every rule. I am reminded of Rommel's rush through the Ardennes during WWII, where at one point opened fire on unseen French positions, in order to get them to fire back and so reveal their positions.

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Profile was out of formation. He was supposed to be backing up his squad and he was in the back of the herd just looking around. He should have been covering the wounded (or dead) men hit by the mine so they can be pulled to safety of they come under enemy fire, as someone said, mines and other booby traps are often watched by the enemy. Highway didn't tell him to shoot, but he was supposed to be in position to lay down covering fire if necessary and he wasn't.
And to address your other point, when under attack, one often fires in a general direction until a target is visible, usually determined by sound, especially in heavy vegetation.

Exactly how much combat have you seen?

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Profile was out of formation. He was supposed to be backing up his squad and he was in the back of the herd just looking around. He should have been covering the wounded (or dead) men hit by the mine so they can be pulled to safety of they come under enemy fire, as someone said, mines and other booby traps are often watched by the enemy. Highway didn't tell him to shoot, but he was supposed to be in position to lay down covering fire if necessary and he wasn't.

He said, "where's my covering fire?" Meaning it was expected that Profile be shooting in... some undefined direction.

And Profile was not out of formation, and he most certainly was not at the back. He was on point, as I recall, immediately behind the guys who tripped over the rope. The "herd" were following behind him.

And to address your other point, when under attack, one often fires in a general direction until a target is visible, usually determined by sound, especially in heavy vegetation.

Care to educate me which direction that would be? Nobody was shooting at them, they had no indication of what direction the enemy were - if enemy was present at all. Again, shooting blind will only alert the enemy to your position. You do not open fire unless you have some idea where the enemy is.

Now, there are examples like Rommel in the Ardennes forest, when he knew there were French soldiers waiting for them but they were not seen. Rommel ordered his men to open fire, to lure out French fire. It worked, but here's the thing: The Germans were advancing, and they knew they were visible to the French. Second, they knew roughly where the French positions were.


Exactly how much combat have you seen?

Is that supposed to convince me that you have seen any combat at all?

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To me the way they present it is you have the new Marine Corps which is more like an office with all the political games like the Recon Team set up to lose to boost the opposing side and their leader. There is no interest in training for combat because no believes that will happen or cares.

Then you have Clint old school 3 time combat vet and is disgusted by what he sees.

Maybe when someone trips a trap the procedure is to just spray cover fire? Silly but it’s possible. The assumption could be an ambush is laying in wait?

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