Unfairly Derided, one of the series best - look again...


Always liked this film in the series and was surprised to discover how widely dismissed it is. Nightmare 2 is one the series best - it has the strongest opening of any film in the series that picks up the story with a fast pace, includes a number of genuinely creepy scenes and was the last sequel to maintain some of the spookiness of the original before the franchise descended into quip-kills and FX-mania. There's also some genuine laughs and nice moments between the cast, great photography and score, and some ripper kills....

Mark Patton gives a dedicated if at times over-the-top performance, and Robert Russler is terrifically funny. The 'possession' angle, while not strictly nightmare-focussed, span the story in a unique direction. Sure there's some hokey scenes (exploding budgie??), but the left-field S&M kill and some uniquely weird moments, as nightmares seem to spill into the real world, reflect the Asian and European horror we often laud - so why dislike it in an American setting?

This was also the last time Freddy came close to the menace he was originally imagined to be - the American nightmare, a lurking psychotic who stalks our safe, tree-lined suburbs, driven to steal and murder children. In that context, the pool-party scene where he faces down and dominates a horde of shivering teenagers approaches a genuine horror the series never again touched.

Many horror films also share a strong crossover with the teen genre, mirroring that period of our lives when we're changing inside and out; indeed the doubt, isolation, discontent, uncertainty and occasional dread we feel in that pivotal period often haunts our dreams well into adulthood. The screenwriter later admitted to a gay subtext in the film also; can we assume some of the alleged dislike of this film is perhaps discomfort with some of the undertones?

When I first saw this film I lived at home with my parents. I'm re-watching it tonight as a father with my own young children. Ironically part way through watching it, my young 3yr old son awoke crying in bed and I had to soothe him back to sleep. In his darkened room I asked him "what's wrong?", and sobbing he said "bad dream". As a father now I can far more appreciate the horror of what Freddy was supposed to represent, and Nightmare 2 was the closest he ever came to that again as a character. Take another look with fresh eyes....

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Hear, hear! Great post. The film is underrated but I think it's also gaining its own cult following. It's certainly my favorite of the franchise. You make many strong and valid points. Krueger was never as scary again as he was in this film, his makeup was the best in this film, and the humor is at its most dark and perverse.

What I love about the Elm Street series is how they deal with all the relevant issues of the modern day teenager and allows those issues to literally tear the main characters apart through the visage of Fred Krueger. In the first three films alone they deal with divorce, over-parenting, premarital sex, drug abuse, homosexuality, bullying, absentee parenting, isolation, hell even Dungeons and Dragons is thrown in for good measure. And that's to say nothing of later sequels dealing with alcoholism, teen pregnancy, anorexia, etc. My love for the franchise comes with empathizing with the main characters. Freddy was just the antagonist that brought out each protagonist's inner strength, and Freddy's Revenge is one of the best examples of that.

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Bollocks. I don’t need to look again. I’ve been a fan of the series since childhood and have seen Nightmare 2 two dozen times plus and my feelings remain the same: it’s a bad movie. The advocates of this movie go so far out of their way to embellish its worth that it becomes absurd. Sure it has its moments and some legitimate scares, but its flaws are more glaring than a crime light. It has a poor screenplay, lousy character development, shoddy direction, atrocious editing and the script has enough plotholes to swim in. The character of Freddy Krueger and his reasons why are totally lost here, and as a result he becomes some random, ineffectual ghost who barely knows what he’s doing and is more bark than bite. All of that cannot be dismissed just because it has a dark and serious tone. This movie should be screened for every aspiring filmmaker and studio head to show them what NOT to do when going about creating a sequel to a hit movie. There’s a reason why it was savaged with terrible reviews at the time, why NLC went out of their way to snub just about everything that happened in it when going forward with the series and why even some of the actors (Patton and Englund) have negative things to say about it. Once more, it’s a bad movie. Sorry.

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There are plent of critiques about this movie that make sense but Freddy's motive isn't one of them. He wanted to come into the real world again so he could continue child killin' ("you are all my children now")

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I'm one of the very few that think along with Part 3, this one's the best. Freddy was at his best, looked most evil and was at his most menacing😬.

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Most of the criticisms I hear about this movie are generally true. There's no denying that there ARE many continuity errors and some sloppy scenes. What it boils down to is whether or not you like it despite its flaws. I think it's an OK movie for what it is and that it even has some of the series most iconic moments in it (the opening bus scene for example) but its not underrated genius. Calling it one of the "series best" is an overstatement.

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That's basically how I feel about all the ANOES movies that I think aren't great. Revenge is not my favorite of the series and or even one of them, but if you can detach from everything you know is wrong with it, then it becomes okay enough. It still hovers near the bottom of the pile, but I enjoy it more than New Nightmare.

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After rewatching it, I agree. Despite the flaws, this is a decent sequel. Starting with Dream Warriors, it took a heavy turn towards the campy and silly. In Part 2, they kept to the darker and meaner Freddy before he became a comic relief of corny one-liners. The original is my favorite, and I loved New Nightmare - but of all the "canonical" sequels, this one was the best.

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I've seen so many people call this the worst Nightmare ever. I mean have they forgotten all about the monstrosity that was Freddy's Dead, at least Freddy's Revenge didn't have a cringeworthy 3D scene.

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Never thought I'd say this about NOES but it was more intellectually stimulating than enjoyable as horror. It had the themes like self control/fear of loss, the love, the repressed gayness that appear to have been discussed thoroughly. But the execution (lol) was all over the place. The acting stuck uut like Freddy's glove, the effects were so-so, I had no idea what Krueger's deal was. The love battle stare down scene is a fine example of made me start eye rolling.

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I also agree with the OP 100% I think it captures the zeitgeist of the 80s and I have studied this film for my college degree in regards to the gay subtext. However, I am often torn between my biased opinion and my inner film critic i.e. do I love this film because it is a good film or do I love it because I love the 80s and am a gay man?

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I also like this one. The first and Dream Master are the only ones I rank ahead of it. Sure some scenes were ridiculous like Jessie dancing, but I loved the death scenes and the music in this one. Robert Englund also turned in another great performance as Freddy.

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I've always liked this entry, it's dark and very underrated.
Mark Patton gives a convincing performance, he & Kim Myers
had good chemistry, there's some good special effects,
Christopher Young's score is chilling, Robert Englund is
great as usual and his make-up by Kevin Yagher is the
creepiest version imo. It's a good 80's horror flick
that shouldn't be so misjudged.

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I hated this when it first came out (pun unintended but welcome), and went on for years that it was the worst one in the bunch. However, I have discovered the joy of laughing your ass off at unintentionally funny movies, so I came back to this gem, expecting a good laugh. On rewatch, I've found all the good points that were mentioned above, lots of great scenes and moments (like the snake scene) ALSO, in the years since I saw this as a kid, I've become a devoted shipper and yaoi fan, so the homoerotic hints and subtext are a delightful bonus :D

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