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The violence in MacGyver is more realistic than of movies today, I think


I watched MacGyver with my husband today and suddenly I heard myself say "I just love MacGyver, the bad guys just falls over and stays down by ONE punch in the face, and people die immediately from ONE bullet, haha..." My husband looked at me and said, "but honey, I think that's kind of realistic..."

I was actually a bit scared of myself there for one moment. I have obviously become affected by all the volience we see in movies today. You are used to people that beats up each other so bad and still survives, people getting shot 10 times without dying and so on... It was kind of scary to realise that I have become so used to so much violence...

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I think it's highly unrealistic to knock someone out with one punch.

"Yeah, well, make sure I skip that friggin' meeting." - J.D.

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NO! He'd have just one and a half second of his miserable life left to scream: MACGYVEEEEER!

Hey, I'm doctor Rodney McKay, all right? Difficult takes a few seconds, impossible - a few minutes.

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If a person rears back and slams you in the face with all of their force, like we often see happen on Macgyver, I am CERTAIN that you would at least be dazed for a little while.

I hate when, in movies, a guy cocks his fist back and slugs another guy with enough force that he could ostensibly knock him through a brick wall, yet the guy just shrugs it off.

WHAT IS THE POINT of showing a guy hit another with THAT MUCH preparation and power, if you're just gonna make it have little to virtually no effect?

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At least MacGyver always managed to hurt his hand doing it! That's a little realism!

I'm always weirded out in fight scenes now when the bad guy isn't easily knocked out. I feel like the hero is incompetent or something. After all, MacGyver always managed it!

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Annie Chan returns!

"Yeah, well, make sure I skip that friggin' meeting." - J.D.

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This kind of things are highly situational.

There are multiple levels that factor in, you can't categorically say one way or another, because people are different, even luck is involved.

Have you ever heard of people falling down from very high places, taking hits to the face or even into their brains that should've killed them, but didn't? These things have happened, and do happen.

If the whole ground hitting you very hard to one side of your whole body doesn't kill you, it's possible that someone's punch won't knock you out or kill you, either.

However, there are all kinds of people in the world, Shao-Lin-monks probably couldn't even be hanged due to their 'strong neck training', and due to their constant training, sparring and reflexes, probably couldn't be knocked down by anyone's punch, especially since they could probably avoid being hit by it, or protect their head with the Qi-energy (seriously, there are videos of a case where one monk can drill their temples and push the drill into their head very hard while it's at full power, and he isn't injured or harmed - there have been sceptical people examining this case and struggling to cope with the reality of the situation, which they were sure was fake).

If you put some untrained, cheap thug that has never sparred in his life, and isn't really very good at any kind of fight situation against some trained martial artist's punch, and he happens to turn the wrong way, he could definitely be knocked our or even killed. Think of someone like Woody Allen, but weaker.

It depends so much on all kinds of situations, whether the punch lands correctly, whether they're able to dodge or avoid it a bit, what kind of brain and head structure the victim happens to have, and so on and so forth. There's no way to say how realistic or unrealistic it is, because we can't really ever know all the factors. Someone might be suffering from some illness that makes them faint very easily, would it be unrealistic?

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About the 'being shot' thing - that's also highly unpredictable.

There's no safe way or place of shooting someone (except missing) - loss of blood alone can render the victim unconscious and later, dead.

If you disrupt ANY organ's function, it can lead to a lot of pain and a lethal injury. It's also possible for a bullet to go through the body or be lodged in somewhere, and not kill the victim (it has happened).

What's unrealistic, is that when someone is shot with a tiny handgun, they fling backwards like they were hit by a high-speed wrecking ball! A tiny bullet does not cause someone to move backwards like that, it can be unnoticeable. I mean, it's basically like poking a gake with a chopstick - the whole cake doesn't move, the chopstick simply dives inside the cake, displacing the cake as it plows deeper inside it.

I would say it's HIGHLY likely to kill or VERY seriously injure the victim if they are shot anywhere in the head. Ok, if a bullet grazes your ear, that's one thing, but if it enters your head, you're most likely in trouble or your body dies.

Human body, however, IS very resilient, and if it's not someone's karma to die at that moment, they won't - life finds a way to survive, it's like in the movies, where some robot 'reroutes power' to some other, secondary battery. As stupid as that is..

A human body can take a lot of punishment, as someone said, but it's not always a given that it will. Some people might die just from falling from their chair, others can die in the middle of an interview.

There's also the famous case of some guy just shooting themselves in the mouth, and what do you know, that guy died instantly, with lots of blood starting to flow out of his nose after he collapsed. (I wanted to see what 'dying' looks like, so I found some videos, so sue me)

Sometimes a human body gives up easily, other times, it fights to the bitter end and won't die even with multiple bullet wounds. So it's both 'realistic', depending.

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You'll be surprised at the amount of punishment a human body can withstand .

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You'll be surprised at the amount of punishment a human body can withstand.

I think real life would surprise you both in terms of how strong and how fragile the human body is. It's a lot harder to knock someone down and out with one punch than it is in real life, but on the other hand, it's a lot easier to die falling from a great height, or other stunts like that.

Speaking of "realistic," the fact that he doesn't carry a gun strikes me as one of the most realistic parts of the show, actually. He's a spy (at least at the beginning). Most spies in real life are trying to blend in and not get caught - carrying a gun is just an unnecessary risk more than anything. (Imagine, a Soviet cop pulls you over for speeding... somehow spots that you have a gun... suddenly, instead of "you know you were going over the limit, right?" it's "why do you have a gun? Are you a spy? Out of the car, now!")


That man is playing Galaga! Thought we wouldn't notice. But we did.

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It's very hard to kill a human with 1 shot. Often persons being shot are able to operate even after 3 or 4 hits, as long as heart or brain are not hit.

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The one punch thing is, sadly, a reality, and plays out in the so-called knockout game we've been hearing about.

A gunshot to the chest is almost always fatal, although for expediency we aren't shown the real-life aftermath that would take place.

Action in films is so often poorly staged that we end up with a hulking action star running across an open lawn, with enemy fire raining down heavily, and never once does he get hit. Plus even the most physically fit fighter should get worn down after a dozen brawls, but he seems to be fresh for each successive one. I'll take MacGyver-style action instead.

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A good martial artist once said something along these lines:

"The power of the kick and punch comes from the correct contact at the right spot and at the right moment with the body in perfect position; not, as many people think, from the vigor with which the kicks or blows are delivered."

So the descriptions in this thread of the 'preparing' and descriptions of the punch having so much power, should be re-examined in the light of this quote.

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