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The first and last good Terminator movie


The Terminator is such a fantastic movie, and in every way superior to Terminator 2.

In fact, it is probably James Cameron's last great movie.

It is original, dark and gritty. It has a great atmosphere, memorable characters, superb soundtrack (that 80's techno music/sound design is epic) and it is very well directed. A classic.


After that.... Rehashes after rehashes. Including T2, which is a complete rehash of The Terminator (with some good special effects, granted.) Just like Aliens was a complete rehash of ALIEN, with more things happening.

More isn't always better, Jim.

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I'm happy to join in here favoring T1 over T2. I say this as a fan of all the movies. T1 just felt more tight. We had Reese, Sarah and the Terminator. I also felt like the Terminator though it was basically unstoppable it was destructible and Reese talks about it's anatomy. In T2 everyone has a hard on for T1000 which is cool to a degree, but it's like overkill with no explanation. I've always wondered, it's a machine, where is the computer? Is it a bunch of nanobites in the liquid? Even the T3 computer made more sense. I also like how it was a human vs. machine conflict. T2 and on a machine is fighting on behalf of the humans. This makes Reese my fav. character in the series.

I could go on, T1 was just a more tight movie for me.

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T2 is a case of the 90's when sequels had to be made to make as much money as possible. Eventually when money becomes less of an issue, there might come a sequel to Terminator that doesn't cast Arnold or makes a replica of his whole body, but goes deeper into Sarah's psychological state of being after the first film. Yes movies are bound to employ technology that uses old actors as young far more regularly and with 100% accuracy and believability. It might be a completely different type of film than any Terminator film, perhaps not even a action horror film, but that would be a sequel that honors authenticity instead of the expectations of more of the same.

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I agree.

I don't careabout 'dark and gritty', which seems to be some kind of mantra for some people that equals to 'good movie' in their minds.

This movie isn't good BECAUSE it's 'dark and gritty', but because it avoids being politically-correct or 'family-friendly', it doesn't have those limitations and restrictions to do 'whatever it wants', and this freedom, of course, adds to why the movie ended up so good.

In my opinion, this movie is magnificently great because of many different reasons, the biggest being that 'everything somehow worked'.

It has the early eighties vibes, just amazing soundtrack, intense energy and atmosphere that can't be manufactured, young Arnold at his best, and it OOZES inspiration and excitement of the creators of the movie.

The way the movie flows, is also something unique - I have never watched another movie, where, if I just watch the beginning, I just HAVE to watch the rest - but instead of being a compulsion of any kind, it's a natural, organic want to just watch a little bit longer, and just to see and feel more, and then before I notice it, the ending credits are rolling.

Back to the Future is the only movie that comes close - it's also endlessly rewatchable.

There are so many sparks of almost 'cosmic' genius in this movie, that I am surprised something like this was allowed to exist on a crappy planet like this.

So many unique moments really draw you in, in a way that no other movie even comes close to. There's a difference between a 'vision-based movie, where everyone poured their finest selves into it' and 'cold, calculated, corporation meeting-based money-grab (*ahemT2cough*).

In so many other movies, there has to be 'this' and there has to be 'that', and then 'those' won't be allowed, and 'that' has to be removed, etc. etc. Every modern movie goes through a spiritual surgery, until nothing visionary or interesting is left, and it's calculated to be a sure moneymaker (except for the 'woke' movies)

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One of those unique moments I mentioned, is Kyle Reese's interrogation scene. Has any movie ever had a scene like this before? It's so interesting in so many ways and keeps the incredible tension going. The audience knows the truth, but audience also knows it is too incredible for a lazy psychiatrist or the cops to believe, before it's too late.

It's frustrating to watch, because we know Kyle's going to be labeled crazy, but also interesting, because we get a really weird and quirky glimpse into the policemen's thinking, while being thoroughly entertained by the underdog's explanation of the truth. We also get information and backstory that we desperately want to know, so we hang on to Kyle's every word.

It also helps that Michael is incredibly charismatic and passionate, especially in this scene - his performance couldn't be better!

The subtle humor of pausing his expression on the most aggressive look in his face, while the psychiatrist says 'sorry', is priceless.

Then, when everything is 'satisfactorily explained' despite the weirdo officer wanting to tell odd stories, and Sarah is trying to fall asleep in the desperate and sad reality, where her roommate has mysteriously been murdered, everything falls apart, and the action suddenly draws the viewer into a deep worry over the survival of our likable protagonists, and experience a small, smug satisfaction in knowing those cops will finally know the truth.

This kind of intense chain of events just doesn't happen in other movies.

"The Terminator (1984)" is good, not because of acting performances, not because it's 'dark and gritty', not because it has a ridiculously interesting premise, not because of young arnold, not because of cameron's directing, not because of even the eighties atmosphere.

There's some unexplainable reason that just makes it all work almost magically. This movie is possibly the closest thing to 'real magic' that modern people will ever be able to experience.

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I could explain some other moments as well (although I would still have a LOT to say about this brilliant 'interrogation scene' alone), but I am simply using this scene to exemplify the (perhaps accidental) genius that radiates pretty much from every scene. This movie almost never slows down, even the exposition is mostly done inside action.

Every time the Terminator arrives to the screen, the moment is scary, intense, exciting, energetic, and immersive - you just don't want to look away, you can't take your focus somewhere else, you know exactly what is going to happen, and yet you want - nay, MUST see how it all unfolds!

Another genius moment is the whole 'Tech-Noir' disco scene. From the second Arnold appears to the second Kyle starts expositing the backstory in the car, has to be the MOST intense and exciting, atmospheric and amazingly done movie moment at least I have ever experienced.

What does T2 have that can even be compared to that?

Only shallow, easy-to-please, junk-loving masses without appreciation for genius or understanding of pretty much anything, can even tolerate that money-grabbing, 'family-friendly', kid-humour-ridden, calculated, story-destroying, shadow of a carbon copy of this movie.

T2 doesn't offer anything that "The Terminator (1984)" doesn't offer much better, besides some 'liquid terminator effects'. Robert Patrick is a fine actor, and I have nothing against him, but him looking at you with 'fat angle' while waving his finger is laughably ridiculous compared to Arnold loading the laser-sighted gun and then pointing it at the camera.

Do people of this planet REALLY prefer 'Hastala vista, baby' to pushing a fist through a chest and ripping someone's heart out or the moment Kyle hears dogs barking outside, after having a playful moment with Sarah?

T2 is all 'talk to the hand', while "The Terminator (1984)" is a brilliant gem of genius, vision, and unexplainable magic that can't be duplicated.

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