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Getting to the bottom of the missing nudity


Since this was one of my very favorite movies when I was growing up, it bothers me that it's been altered for DVD release. A second worth of boobs might seem like a purile thing to get annoyed over, but it bothers me on a few levels so I'm not going to just accept it.

Now, let's get one thing straight. Kate Capshaw never got naked in this movie, ever. The nudity was from one Jana Taylor, in the sequence where the dorky husband dreams his wife is having sex with his brother in front of the kids.

But, that nudity's not on the DVD. So, I asked Image Entertainment about that, and they said:

"Thank you for your inquiry. Image Entertainment does not edit any of its
titles. Therefore we must conclude that this title was edited prior to
our receiving it. Unfortunately we do not have any more information with
which we can provide you with."

I was about to write back and ask about who they received the DVD from, but that last sentence sounds like a brush-off. I'll ask though.

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I've never seen the uncut version, but it looks to me like the nudity may have fallen below the letterbox matte in this scene. Is anyone certain that the nudity was included in the theatrical release? It may just be that the extra information provided by a full screen open matte videotape or TV broadcast may have revealed more than was originally intended.

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Thanks for that info Bishop. The DVD must be poorly matted, like the first issue Back to the Future discs.

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Wrong!

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No you are wrong. Not all films are shot with anamorphic lenses. Many films are shot with normal lenses and then matted when shown on a screen. That is why you sometimes see boom mics or other things on the screen in a theater. The projectionist hasn't matted the film correctly. Films that are in the 16:9 format are shot "full frame" (which means that the entire frame of film is taken up by a non-distorted image), and matted to the correct ratio later. The reason this sometimes effects viewing on television is because a frame of 35mm film is aproximately the same ratio as a 4:3 television. Most movies pre 1950's are actually in a full frame 4:3 format. When television started threatening theaters they started making widescreen films as a way to draw people back to the cinema by giving them more of a show, or big event that they couldn't get on TV. With modern films they sometimes show the full unmatted frame on TV or video rather than doing pan and scan, and you see small gaffs. A perfect example of this is in Pee Wee's Big Adventure when he is chaining his bike up. In the theater, and on the newer widescreen DVD the joke comes off perfect as it appears he is pulling an impossible amount of chain from the compartment on his bike. But in all "full screen" versions of the film, such as television broadcast, and old VHS versions, the joke is ruined, because you can obviously see the chain coming through a hole in the bottom of the bike compartment. Some film makers shoot with nothing (such as boom mics, crew members ect.) in the frame at all, so that it can be shown full frame with no flaws (Stanley Kubrick shot all his later films like this so they wouldn't be cropped when shown on TV). This means you are actually seeing more picture than with the "widescreen" version, but also not seeing what the director actually intended. So in those cases more isn't better. Most film makers though don't worry about this, and so there are mics, and all kinds of off screen objects actually still in the frame. This is why they have to crop the images sides off for pan and scan video. But if you look at any later Stanley Kubrick film on video, say Full Metal Jacket for instance, you are actually seeing more image than you saw in the theater. Some films are like this on video. The thing is that sometimes a film like this can be matted incorrectly when it is transfered to widescreen video, and cut out information that is meant to be visible. The Back to the Future DVD's that somebody mentioned are a classic example of this.

I think you are partially confusing anamorphically shot films with anamorphic DVD video. The concepts are similar, but not the same. Anamorphic films are shot using special lenses, because if they were shot with normal lenses the film grain would be a big problem and amplified when they were matted and blown up that much on a large screen. So the process was created to use the whole frame for a wider image by distorting it as it was shot, and then projecting it through special lenses to "un-distort" it on the screen. Anamporphic video on the other hand increases the resolution to take full advantage of the height of a TV screen, but rather than cropping the edges like pan and scan, it compresses the video lengthwise. So watching an anamorphic DVD on a 4:3 TV with the anamorphic function on your DVD player active will show you a compressed picture where everything looks tall and thin. But when you watch it on a 16:9 TV like an HDTV it stretches out to use the full screen, which gives you an image that uses the entire resolution of the screen, and also is widescreen. Non anamorphic widescreen DVDs and VHS tapes only use the lines of resolution that the image takes up on a 4:3 TV, and when zoomed in on an HDTV to fill the length of the screen they lose resolution, and are much lower quality.

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DON'T FORGET THE SEX SCENE WAS A LOT LONGER ON THE TRAIN,BUT IT WAS CUT.I READ ABOUT IT IN STARLOG.KATE WAS NEVER NUDE,BUT HER PANTIES WERE REMOVED UNDERNEATH HER DRESS,SO WHEN THEY DID THE ACTUAL DEED,IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.I GUESS THERE WAS A SIDE SHOT OF HER BREASTS DURING IT,BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS NUDE WAS QUAID,BUT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT,BECAUSE WE WANTED KATE NUDE.

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Actually, Kate is naked from the waist up in the train scene. I'm looking at it right now and you can clearly see her breast. The Region 2 MIA edition of this film is uncut. However, the transfer is pretty awful. But if you absolutely need to see the cheating wife scene and the Capshaw topless train ride...then pick it up...I am in the US but my player is region free and I saw a copy on eBay for a couple of clams...so I got it...

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I taped the movie off cable earlier this year(I think it was on one of Showtimes secondary channels)and the Train scene was the American version(no nudity by Capshaw)but the scene with the cheating wife was uncut.

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it's on showtime right now and I just saw the scene with the cheating wife. I am confirming that it wasn't cut. didn't see the train scene

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and now saw the train scene ans as stated above..you do see boobage

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Yes, there was nudity in the theatrical. I have a VHS of the film and all of the nudity is there. The train, the cheating wife and anything else people have mentioned.

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Good spot abintra! I watched the DVD just a few days ago and I don't remember seeing any nudity in that scene. I'm sure I would have noticed... I do remember the audio commentary mentioning that there was nudity in the script for that particular scene and that was the reason Capshaw was reluctant to take the part.
The capture shown looks like a VHS source.

I'll check the DVD again tomorrow to confirm.

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I can confirm the scene is cut away before any nudity on the R1 Image Entertainment DVD. If anyone has the UK, German or Dutch DVD's let us know if they are uncut.

I've added this new info to the Alternate Versions section.

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info on the uncut version, have a look at my topic called "found a (probably) uncut copy + Capshaw nudity!"

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I remember seeing this film on UK TV years ago and there was a scene where Dennis Quaid and Kate Capshaw were on a train (in a soft focus dream, I think) and there was definite breast visible.

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I remember the train shot scene and as a young teenager filled many a restless dream as I found Kate unbelievably sexy and her body just the kind I liked.

This was a great sexy scene and it's a pisser if it's also been cut out of the DVD release. The new front cover for it looks like raiders of the lost ark so maybe they are angling it at kids which is a shame. I'll now be a bit more reluctant about buying if this cracking scene has been removed.

I'm no sex fiend but it fits in the film. I mean whats the point in having the gift of enterting and shaping someones dreams if you can't do it with your horny assistant!

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Right I recently got this on region 2 dvd and I can confirm that it's all in there.

We get the scene where the guy who feels inadequate and walks in on his wife boffing his brother showing us boobs when she's caught on top of said brother, we get the policeman getting his heart torn out and all of the quaid/capshaw sex scene.

It's lost a little of it's power as I've grown older but i can still see why I found that scene so sexy when younger.

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Im going to buy it tomorrow; a VHS from an old video store which is closing down. It looks as if it was released in the eighties (the video itself, I know the movie was)
I'll let you know of any nudity.

www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17649225-13762,00.htmlThe Beginning of the End.

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Right I recently got this on region 2 dvd and I can confirm that it's all in there.


Sweet... lol this was the very first PG-13 film I ever saw as a kid (wasn't 13 yet though lol) and I totally remembered seeing the boobs on that woman cheating on her husband. Yay PG-13... not sure if they would even show that these days, but when the rating first came out of course they "got away with" more than they'd be able to these days.

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Same here. It was there in the original, albeit briefly and barely. I, too, lost some sleep over that as a teen.

Similar things happened to Jane Seymour's scenes in "Lassiter," Kathy Baker's in "Clean and Sober," and Jacqueline Bisset's in "Rich and Famous." The studios will deny it till the cows come home but they HAVE been cut in later editions. The actresses gain clout in later years (Jane Seymour had Emmy noms for the family series 'Dr. Quinn', Kathy Baker the same for 'Picket Fences,' and Capshaw married Steven Spielberg) and the scenes suddenly disappear. It's not an accident.

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Kathy Baker in "Clean and Sober" eh?


...too bad they didn't also edit out the scene with Kathy BATES in "About Schmidt"!


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its there, i saw the actual version. When dennis quad sneaks into his lovers dream they have sex and you see her boobs, they make a joke at the end of " is it gunna be as good as the dream?"

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"A brief shot of topless nudity from Kate Capshaw during the love sequence on the train with Dennis Quaid was cut from the film in the US in order to secure a PG-13 rating. The scene is uncut in European prints of the movie. The scene is not present on the R1 Image Entertainment Special Edition DVD although the commentary makes reference to nudity in the scene."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087175/alternateversions

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That's weird because, like others, I also remember a nude scene with Capshaw and Quaid in the theatrical release. I don't remember the scene with the bald man finding his wife cheating on him - though I think I know the scene, but remember there not being as much nudity as the deleted scene. I specifically remember the dream sequence having nudity in it - I remember bragging to my friends about seeing the scene, since I was pretty young at the time.

I think there's an information conspiracy going on here.

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Okay, here we go:

The KATE CAPSHAW Train Scene:
- - Sequence trimmed for the U.S. distibution of the movie
- - Un-altered in the European Versions

I have never seen the European version.
So I won't comment on it any further . . .



The AMERICAN VERSIONS:
The "Cheating Wife" Dream Sequence
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I can attest to this output with my own eyes. I saw "Dreamscape" twice in the theaters, next during it's first run Thorn/EMI Home Video VHS tape release and I also have the Image DVD. The nudity was never in these versions. It definately was NOT there in the theater.

It is there in subsequent VHS versions and all premium cable (like HBO) editions. I have a copy of "Dreamscape" I taped from HBO back in the mid-80s. It IS definately there . . .

As for why it was and wasn't there in the diferent U.S. versions I can speculate:
- The "PG-13" film rating was new and still in flux. It's perimeters weren't clearly defined yet. There were likely two U.S. edits of the picture. I'm guessing different distributors had different versions of the movie. That's why some versions do and some versions don't feature the nudity.



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I distinctly remember the nudity in the cheating wife scene because my friend rewinded it to watch it again and again. It's cropped out in the Netflix Instant View version. I agree with this theory by a commentator four years ago in this thread:

I've never seen the uncut version, but it looks to me like the nudity may have fallen below the letterbox matte in this scene. Is anyone certain that the nudity was included in the theatrical release? It may just be that the extra information provided by a full screen open matte videotape or TV broadcast may have revealed more than was originally intended.

I don't think it was ever in the theatrical version, was never intended to, and it was sort of an accident that it showed up in the VHS because they sourced it from the full screen open matte.

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recently picked up an old vhs copy for $1, watched it last night. i don't remember kate capshaw being nude ever, i thought she was still wearing her dress in the train scene, but the topless cheating wife was most certainly there.

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Right. The Kate Capshaw nudity isn't present in any of the U.S. versions. That's the ONE constant with the U.S. editions . . .

The cheating wife on the other hand, some editions do, while others don't. That's just weird . . .


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This movie just recently played on Encore or Showtime, and the dream sequence does not show any Kate Capshaw nudity. Her blouse is un-buttoned but you can not see her breasts.

PS - I was always aroused by the open mouth kiss from Dennis. A very well done sexy scene without nudity.

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if you want nudity, watch porn.

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That's not the point.

The point is that the studios are editing the movies for content when mastering to DVD/Blu-Ray and feigning ignorance about it when asked.




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they have been doing that for years now. shouldn't come as surprise.

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Doesn't make it right. They should leave it uncut on the DVD and Blu-Ray. It's bad enough that movies are butchered when shown on regular TV. The DVDs and Blu-Rays should contain the full versions, untouched.

Further exacerbating the issue is that the scenes are left in the movie, untouched, in the Region 2 DVD of the movie. It's just the Region 1 version that is modified.

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I found a Youtube video posted by user Bamboo Invasion and it appears to be complete. Jana Taylor is present and nude at 41:30 and Kate Capshaw is partially nude at 56:50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0lsoPhBu00

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not no more Billy

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if you want nudity, watch porn.
Shut the *beep* up, troll. What are you, an idiot!?
they have been doing that for years now. shouldn't come as surprise.
Wow, missed the point AGAIN, *beep*wit!

Hmm, so you take the passive approach, I see. What are you, a woman!?

Get back to your Eve Online where there's no nudity and no porn either, misfit!

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Oh yes, your proactive comment is so beneficial. good job on your accomplishments.

I think ill take your advice and wont post here because obviuosly the board is overrun by the likes of you.

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Good, troll! Now get moving, and be quick about it! The less n00bie trolls here, the better!

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