Rowena or Rebecca


I simply can't believe that no one has started a "who is the girl for Ivanhoe? Rebecca or Rowena?" discussion!
So c'mon people. Let's go!
I'm rooting for Rebecca. Olivia Hussey is one of the most beautiful women in history! And "Rebecca" didn't seem as such a sissy that "Rowena" did.

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I've always thought that the more interesting question would be: should Rebecca have taken Brian up on his offer? I know that was an option that would have disgraced her in the eyes of the world, but don't you think that Brian is actually the more intriguing of the characters, rather than Ivanhoe? For some reason, Brian's always fascinated me. But in answer to your question: yes, I do prefer Rebecca to Rowena, but then thought that Rowena suited Ivanhoe better, as they're a both a bit wishy washy.

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I've always had a thing for Sam Neill - I was in love with his Damien in Omen III. So I always choose Sam Neill wether it's Ivanhoe or The Piano. The bad guy is more interesting because the good guys are almost always boring and has no depth.

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I didn't have a thing for Sam Neill at all until I saw this movie way back when I was still at school. I had read the book, however, and even then I thought that Brian was more intriguing. The good guys are good, but they don't have to struggle to be good, so they're a little bit boring. The bad boys are bad, but sometimes not as bad as people might think. Brian does try to help Rebecca out of a bad situation, and he does stick to his word (in the book, anyway), so he has some worthy qualities - in view of his "bad" reputation, whatever good he does is actually more appreciated than whatever good Ivanhoe might do, as he would have been "good" anyway. Does this make any sense?

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Yes it does. I agree!



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I so agree with you. Brian was much more interesting caracter than any other. And I liked Rebecca more than Rowena. But I think Rowena and Ivanhoe made a great matsh and Rebecca should have taken Brian's offer, but she was so damn stupid!

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Seriously, Rebecca should have taken Brian up on his offer instead of hanging on to a guy who could never truly love her.

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Well, as much as I think Brian really did fall in love with Rebecca, that wasn't meant to be either. Rebecca couldn't love him as she loved Ivanhoe, and he actually scared her, I think.

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Remember, that Ivanhoe came to rescue Rebecca at the end. In all combats, there is always a chance of injury and death and Ivanhoe was willing to sacrifice that in order to become Rebecca's champion and save her. I think that's really important...

...so although he did choose Rowena in the end...and even if she didn't truly deserve him...Ivanhoe did fight for Rebecca and would not have let her out of his sight if she was Catholic and not Jewish (as told to King RIchard)

I love Anthony and Olivia in this film...

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You make it sound like Rowena had nothing to do with it. Ivanhoe obviously loved her too, but you make it sound like he chose her just because she was a Catholic like him. Well, it might be part of it, but I also think the race/religion thing is partly an excuse.

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Ivanhoe and Rebecca had been in love for ages and long before Ivanhoe meets Rebecca. Rowena had remained true and faithful to him and she would even defy her guardian Cedric when it came to subject of her marriege, as Cedric wanted her to marry Athelstane. Therefore, I believe that it would have been unfair for Rowena if Ivanhoe had forgotten all about her. Of course, if Rebecca was not Jewish or if the story was not set in the Middle ages, you never know what might have happened. Still, Ivanhoe is described as an honest and loyal character and thus I doubt that he would go back on his word. He was deeply in love with Rowena and I doubt that any other damsel could change that. Besides, he could never marry Rebecca due to regulations of the time.

On the other hand, I would love to see the Rebecca-Brian match happening. Nowadays they would have been perfect for each other as they were so much alike in many ways. But Brian could not possibly marry Rebecca either at that time (not in England anyway. And fact is that Rebecca was right not to choose him; she was acting according to the law and to her concience and above all it was a matter of honour, religion and pride to her.


And yes, I have always liked Rebecca better than Rowena as a character. not to mention that I have always liked Brian more than Ivanhoe as well.

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I agree with everyone. Rebecca is the prettiest, and Brian (Sam Neill) is my favorite character. I think the romance between the two is the highlight in the movie! If I were Rebecca, I'd definintly go for Sir Brian. He isn't all that bad, is he?
Besides, Sam Neill is so handsome in this movie!!

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I agree with Songbird19. Rebecca is the most prettiest person in the movie and Sam Neill was my favorite actor in that movie. I wish they had ended up together in the end. I recommend anyone this movie.

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I agree with you. I liked Rebecca much more than I liked Rowena...

haha... smaken är som baken...

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I definitely prefered Rebecca to Rowena, and eveytime I see the film I wish he will make another choice, but he never does...but I have to admitt it would kind of stink if he did, because as many have mentioned before Rowena has stayed true to him for many years and would never betray his love. It would have been quite cruel of Ivanhoe to just change his mind, even if Rebecca is far better than Rowena. And we know he will remember her forever. I also have to agree that I wish Rebecca would have taken Brian up on his word...he did die for her in the end! He could have killed Ivanhoe, but he lookeds up at her in the last second on lowered his sword, and then he let Ivanhoe kill him!!! All the while he was looking at Rebecca. Very sad!!!

"Smaken är som baken, en del har mer av det än andra" (Mark Levengood, 2005)

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I much prefered Rebecca, but that's because they made Rowena so boring. She was nothing but looks.
Besides, I like Olivia Hussey.

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In the film, Ivanhoe did briefly discuss Rebecca with King Richard, and when further questioned about her he said that if she was of his race he would not let her out of his sight. And during there imprisonment in the castle after he kissed Rebecca he mentioned the race issue and that they were destined not to be together. Which implies that he does have strong feelings for her and if it was not a matter of race then it would of been a different story.

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Sure but he obviously didn't choose Rowena just because of the race/religion issue. Sir Brian was not of the same race as Rebecca either but he decided that he would run away with her if she agreed, whereas Ivanhoe's feelings for her were not that strong at all. Ivanhoe also mentioned that he loved Rowena; they had in fact been in love for years. It would really be unfair for Rowena to be put aside after having been faithful and devoted to him for so long, especially considering that Ivanhoe only met Rebecca a few times.

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I understand that Ivanhoe has feelings for Rebecca but not so strong enough otherwise he would of run away with her. And he does love Rowena because they were sweet hearts,but regardless of that he is a man of principles and loyality and would do the right thing in this situation. We know that he loves Rowena but he loved her for a long time,then Rebecca enters his life which we cannot deny her effect upon him. Ivanhoe even kisses her in the film which does not suggest that he is thinking about Rowena!So he cant love her that much! In the film Ivanhoe said, 'I will never forget you Rebecca'and at the very end of the film the narrator comments that Rebecca's image would remain with Ivanhoe till the end. I think Ivanhoe was a fool not to run a way with Rebecca. She is a far more interesting character than Rowena. Also I know it would be unfair if he did forget Rowena after her faithfulness for him but really who cares! The best parts of the film are the relationship between Rebecca and Ivanhoe and Sir Brian, the only thing worth watching in my opinion.
It proves how captivating Rebecca is that two knights are still willing to die for her in the last scene.








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Quite right, I fully agree. BTW, I made a mistake in my previous post; I meant to say that "Sir Brian was not of the same race as Rebecca". I am just about to modify it so that it will make sense.

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Sir Walter Scott himself, in a note to a later edition of his novel IVANHOE, replied at some length to the various critics and readers who thought Wilfred should have married "the more interesting Rebecca", rather than Rowena whom they found boring. Scott reminded his readers (1) that the standards of the time never would have permitted him to marry Rebecca and that (2) it's a bit inane to expect everything in a novel, as in life, to turn out hunky-dory.

The last scene in the novel, indeedy, is a conversation betwixt Rebecca and Rowena, in which the former states her intention to leave England and live elsewhere, devoting herself to charitable work. There is obviously a bigtime mutual respect here, yet something is said about Rowena being perfectly aware that Rebecca would in future be in Wilfred's mind "more often than she [Rowena] would perhaps have wished" or words to that effect.

C'mon, guys. The ending as given is really the only possible one. What's this screenwriter supposed to do? Is he supposed to be like the inane screenwriter who rewrote THE SCARLET LETTER so that Hester and Dimsdale run off together and live happily ever after? Was Jules Verne supposed to change the ending of TWENTY THOUSAND LEAGUES so that Captain Nemo forswears his vengeful ways, turns himself in and shares his technology with the world, and wins a Nobel Peace Prize? Should the film SPARTACUS be rewritten so that the slave revolt succeeds, Rome is overthrown and a democracy established? What price in artistic justice is worth a mere happy ending?

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That's interesting about Sir Walter Scott. I wonder if that means he thought Rebecca was the right woman for Ivanhoe as well but knew it would never work out.

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I still stand by what I said almost three years ago. Even though Rebecca is even cooler, Rowena actually isn't the mere beauty, that she might seem to be at first glance.

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I think fairyqueen (post of Feb 7 2008) has a point. I think she's right. And there's supposed to me a tragic angle to it all.

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Basically, Rebecca is the main heroine in Ivanhoe so of course she is the most sympathetic. It can also be argued that Sir Brian had a much greater passion for Rebecca than Ivanhoe even if that passion was destructive.

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One should also take into consideration that normal practice for the time being portrayed was for the husband to be considerably older than the wife. Centuries later it got worse, where the girl had her debut at 17 or 18, and had a couple years to make a match; failing that she would get shipped off to India for a couple years to see if she could make a match with someone in the Company, Army or Navy there. After that, at around age 21, she would likely not ever get married.

Shoot me for sounding shallow, but Lysette Anthony is at the height of her beauty in this film, and I'll admit to being dazzled enough to last a lifetime.

As for her apparant shallowness, that is likely mostly due to the expectations and limitations still on her until she gets married. I'm writing an historical fiction/ romance novel that has some similarities. Upon marraige, she actually had a huge amount of responsibilities, which can be significantly expanded either with encouragement of her husband or his lack of discouragement. There are a number of cases from late medieval times where the wife organized and led an "army" (armed force of retainers) to spring a captured husband loose.

Rowena could well be hiding her cleverness from others, as such a trait becoming known would be very detrimental to her possibilities.

I'm not saying that Olivia Hussy isn't also beautiful, but as opposed to Lysette's 17 or 18 when filming, Olivia is 30 or 31. That's just a very different age bracket, doubly so in the period being protrayed.

Sorry, but even with my general preference with brunettes, Rowena is just too stunning in this movie to not be the focus of my attention. Plus I'm a one woman kind of guy, and so I wouldn't be distracted from my long-time love.

Steve

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