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Perhaps someone can tell me the appeal of this movie...


When it was originally released, I was dragged to see it by a girl that I liked. She thought it was the best film she had ever seen and being a 16 year old boy, thought it was laughable.

Fast forward a number of years and I saw it again because my then fiancee - who is now my wife of 22 years - made me watch it with her, as it is her favorite movie. I didn't laugh at it like I had as a teenager, but I found it incredibly boring.

I just don't get it. Why does this movie have so many fans?

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First off I don't like that people are ripping you for just "not getting it". Whether or not that is true I think certain stories appeal to people differently. But to answer your question here are my thoughts.

I should mention that this film has a pretty devout cult following. Like all cult followings, people are faithful to this film thus probably why you are getting some backlash for writing it off as a sappy romance flick.

It is a romance film thats pretty obvious, and most guys don't exactly have a lot of favorite romance flicks much less advertise to friends about it. But I guess the appeal of this film is that is comprises a lot of romantic flick themes; love lost, love at first sight, and eternal love all within one film. Again all these themes seem to resonate in romance films and most of the good ones encompass one or two of them but very few all. Like more current films like The Notebook, Titanic, or The English Patient. It has a sad ending that worked in terms of the story.

I think the other reasons for the strong support and cult fanbase for this film was due also to the way this film performed and was received by audiences and critics. Suffice to say it didn't do well but was basically viewed as a failure and career dud for Reeve and Seymour who gained most of her popularity with works after. It was in the 90s this film sort of got "rediscovered" and people started appreciating it more. I guess sort of to make up for the "oh sorry we missed out on supporting this movie in 1980 by supporting it now".

I remember watching the commentary and an interview Christopher Reeve did in regards to this film, and he basically took the role because he loved the script. And even after it got panned by the critics and didn't perform well he still said it was one of his favorite films to work on and story wise. Its a testament to him as an actor and someone who recognized a great story, that it wasn't fully appreciated in its time.

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Oh, I'm not offended that people are ripping me about not getting it. We all have different likes and dislikes. But I do appreciate you having my back in that regard.

I'll respond to your post specifically, but this can be applied to everyone who gave their input:

First, thanks for answering. I at least have an idea why folks like this film now, although to be perfectly honest, I still don't get it.

I'm not the romantic type - my wife can attest to this - so it just doesn't resonate with me. However, after your comments, I can say that I do understand the concept of eternal love, as I am completely devoted to my wife (and kids too) and would do anything for her, like sit through this movie. I get through it by thinking when and where would be a great place for an explosion. :)

And if you do happen to come across this thread, thanks again for responding.

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> like sit through this movie

Hilarious@

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Its themes, romance, love, time travel and mystery are major movie themes. If you are a fan of all this, its a winner. Thats pretty simple I'd say. The characters are beautiful and if you have a love of Macinac Island then you are taken in immediately. Call it whatever you like, a chic flick, boring, whatever. but it is undeniably a winner in the hearts of many many many moviegoers. Just too bad there was no car chases or blowing things up. That might be whats missing for some movie goers. Pity.

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My girlfriend urged me to watch this film that she had made her cry 20 years ago. Unfortunately, we both found it pretty dire. I love a good romance, but I just don't see anything here. Love *didn't* conquer all. There is no plausible explanation for why these two even like each other. This adult man acts like a 16 year-old, falling in love with a picture, and the woman discovers the love of her life in a single afternoon and waits for him 70 years, so that she can give him a cryptic message and die. Didn;t even ask him out for coffe after 70 years of waiting! The two are separated by misfortune, and the man immediately gives up trying to get back to her, goes into a teenage tantrum and suicides. I assured my love that this could not be THE Richard Matheson, but sadly I was wrong ;-)

Was also waiting for the Rachmaninov connection to be revealed, and, more importantly, Christopher Plummer's part, but once again... threads hinted at were never picked up.

in the end, a film about adults behaving like children, the facade of love with none of the substance.

LBB

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Please dont blame Matheson! OK! I havent read the book, but it seems rather impossible that he wrote a "bad" book! He didnt! His speciality is also to write in a way that you can see the the plot in at least two ways. He is subtile and smart. A filmmaker always has to do changes, and these changes has alway always produced film adaptions not in par with his books! Ask him! He would agree!

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Wrong on every count.

So big deal love didn't conquer all in their lives and give you the obligatory Hollywood happy ending. You must have really hated Romeo & Juliet and other such tragedies.

"No plausible explanation." You're apparently one of those people who need everything spoon-fed to you on the screen. Richard found a woman who was strong, talented, accomplished, "quick and bright and full of fun" and yet still beautiful, elegant and feminine. Elise met a handsome, well-read, well-spoken man who apparently loved her and respected her and didn't want to change her or control her. The look she gave him while they were on the island implies he was deep in passionate discourse on a subject but wasn't talking down to her, like so many men of that era would have.

He didn't fall in love with a picture. He was interested in it because obviously his subconscious sensed that mysterious smile was at him, and it actually was, as we found out. He was just interested in this amazing woman as he read about her in the library. Even from the outset, he wasn't expecting to meet that her young and beautiful, since he didn't flinch when Arthur said "in her day." His fascination grew later because of everything else he found, from the picture of elderly Elise to Finney's book to the music box to his own signature in an old register. You wouldn't be the least bit intrigued or puzzled by each of those incredible coincidences if they happened to you? I'm sure you would just shrug and walk away if you found out that you could and did time travel and meet a historical figure you admired.

"Waits for him 70 years." I doubt she instantly guessed "he was from the future" when Richard disappeared. She picked up clues over the decades that finally led her to the conclusion only a year before her death in 1972. After all, Finney didn't come up with his time travel method until his Hotel Delvecchio stay in 1971, so his book is no older than that and she couldn't have learned about the method earlier. Why ask Richard out for coffee? To tell him that he's going to defy all known laws of science and travel in time when he's a few years older, without a shred of physical evidence, so he could look at her with pity as if she's a senile old bat? Or worse, to scare him away from that prospect if time could somehow be changed?

"Immediately gives up trying to get back to her." And you know this how? How long did he spend in that bed after returning trying to go back to 1912? How many more attempts did he make before the montage of modern scenes?

"Goes into a teenage tantrum and suicides." There are a lot of better, faster, more efficient, less painful ways of killing yourself than dehydration and starvation if suicide is what you really want. You've obviously never had someone you really, truly loved die - which is essentially what happened to Elise in his modern life - so you don't know how wrenching it really is. I have, and the pain is almost unbearable. The loss of appetite at least for a while, how hard it becomes to sleep, how everything in daily life suddenly doesn't feel important. It's not like just breaking up with a woman, where you know that she's just off to someplace else but maybe one day you might bump into her again.

There's no need for a "Rachmaninoff connection." The Rhapsody was a link between the past and present. The composer is irrelevant. Richard hummed the Rhapsody before Rachmaninoff composed and published it. When Elise first heard it performed, it probably planted the seed in her mind that Richard was from the future. And the Grand Hotel music box playing his favorite piece was another clue for Richard that he and Elise somehow shared a connection. What are the odds that your favorite actor will share the exact same favorite song as you do?

What more did you need to know about Robinson? He was a Svengali-like control freak. That's all. There have been many of those in history. Good writers and directors know what to leave out of a film, and more Robinson was not needed at all. We can guess that his attempts to keep the couple apart and Richard's sudden disappearance created the "something strange about their relationship" that Elise's biographer mentioned. The film isn't about what happens between 1912 and 1980.

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@TVholic, brilliant comment. You did literally spoon-feed someone without imagination, which is same as trying to talk with a dead fish. If he doesn't get it, he just doesn't and probably never will.

Few movies reflect reality; mostly they are illusions, which our imagination interpolates in our own reflections, which depends on our personalities, experiences, criteria, etc. Those that don't get it, probably have too simple mental circuitry, need to upgrade CPU, GPU and RAM.

As an older ardent realist with a lot of imagination I loved this movie due to its innocence, magical purity and surreal beauty of love between man and woman, portrayed with amazing electrifying chemistry. However, rampant Homosexualization and other synthetic social "innovations" will soon kill all traces of traditional romantic illusions and cockroach "imagination" might prevail.

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Ugh, comments like yours are absolutely disgusting. 8 years since this comment was made - I sincerely hope that in that time you have overcome your blatant homophobia and realized that people in the LGBTQ+ community are HUMAN and have the same human facility and need for love and companionship as anyone else, and that as they are part of the HUMAN race, inclusion and representation in films is not only a natural expression of that humanity but also a REQUIREMENT for an accurate portrayal of society.

Not everyone is exactly like you - we don't all live the same, believe the same, act the same or love the same, and that is perfectly fine.

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I don't know. I didn't like it either. I liked the first act. I liked the period setting. I liked the ending. But I thought getting from his arrival in the past to the end was awful. Elise should have thought Richard was a deranged lunatic, not fallen in love with him on sight.

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Ah, Michael, it was Christopher Reeve...SUPERMAN. What red-blooded woman wouldn't have fallen in love with him on sight? ;)

But seriously...this movie is like a hot-fudge sundae. It's not meant to be meaty or world-changing. It's just something to dream on. Like Christopher Reeve. :)

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Women get Christopher Reeve, guys get Jane Seymour, generally speaking that is...



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Jane Seymour is mesmerizing enough to get me through Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger and Live and Let Die, but alas even she cannot make Somewhere in Time enjoyable for me.

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Unfortunately the movie doesnt hold up very well-just watched it last night. Reeve's acting is very stiff and method-you can tell he was classically trained and not directed well. His line delivery is pretty bad too. Seymour is good, but she cant overcome the inadequacies of the script. The story is sweet, but doesnt hold up as a classic. I wish I hadn't watched it again because my memory of it was far better than the reality of the film.

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It's basically 'The Terminator' ~ Without Armageddon, Cyborgs and Biblical copulation urgency nor gratuitous heavy violence.... A Guy from the future falls in love with a bunch of stories and a photograph, and travels through time to be with the Woman He so dearly loves... ...A Woman He's never met in Her youth or even slept with, but He just knows.... He dies for Her. Makes you appreciate the significance and true honor of something as fleeting as a genuine kiss.... ....Cherish, delve deeper, be profound. LOVE. <3

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Additional, Both 'Sarah Connor' and 'Elise McKenna' had the object of their affections in their hearts ('Sarah' reflectively, and 'Elise' in person) when their iconic pictures were taken too...

...It makes the second viewing of both incredible Movies all the more intense! As you realize that when these brave Men ('Kyle' and 'Richard') very first see their respective true love photographic catalysts, these beautiful Women of the past immortalized on baryta, are actually loving them right back in those images! That the love there is unequivocally alive within them both, it's the indelible spark.... Like the very first microsecond you clock eyes with your true love... ...And life as you know it changes, forever. <3

I suspect James Cameron was a huge fan of this Film. Possibly Gale Anne Hurd too.

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People don't like it or they do. You either enjoy it or you don't. It's not just a chick flick. I understand that there are many men who appreciate this film...
Films, Books, Brussels Sprouts?????
Sometimes later on you rediscover these things and you actually do enjoy them.... (maybe not the Brussels Sprouts.... YUK!)

The thing is is, Where are you in life? What is your age??? Experiences??? Tastes!
What may not appeal to you today may just interest you later down the line.

This movie isn't for everyone. You have to be able to suspend your disbelief.
That seems to be so hard to do for so many people these days. I even see it on the horror movie boards! Everyone wants logical explanations these days. That's something I don't quite get when it comes to fantasy and especially horror. Sometimes a story is just a story. Enjoy it and ask no questions.
In addition to being able to suspend your disbelief when watching this film, you also have to have really loved someone so much in your life that it hurt when they were no longer there.
I can't tell you exactly why this movie has so many fans. Apparently this film isn't for you. Cheer up. The time you spent watching this movie wasn't lost. You decided that you didn't like it.
Why does this movie have so many fans?
It must have touched a nerve in some of us.
You must understand that. Isn't there something that you love that others can't understand?
It's ok. That's what makes the world go round.


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It's going to be a bumpy night!"

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Men suspend belief all the time. Like action films where a man holding a gun with 12 round magazine clip shoots 25 bullets without reloading, I'd say that a suspension of belief.

I watched this film last night with my husband and he loved it (I think looking at a very young Jane Seymour had a lot to do with it)

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