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"Midnight, the Stars and You"


I've been an avid music record (vinyl) collector for the last 12 years, focusing on top-charting hits in the US starting from 1920. Interesting fact, the song "Midnight, the Stars and You" (by Ray Noble & His Orchestra) -- the song playing in the ballroom scene and again at the very end when the picture of the ball is seen reading "1921" -- is actually from 1934 (recorded, released, and charted in 1934). I find this interesting for many reasons. In spite of that 13-year gap, I feel it was a completely fitting choice for this movie. I'm also a retro-junkie and history buff. In spite of the fact that people tend to think of the 1920's and 1930's as completely different eras from each other, I completely disagree; I know the "Roaring '20's" economy contrasted sharply with the Great Depression economy that would follow, but everything about American pop culture in 1929 carried over strongly into the next decade. Also, this whole time frame was very diverse.

There are some exceptions -- swing was king in the second half of the '30's (and '40's), but elements of swing were present in music/dance since the late-'20's (and big-band music certainly began even earlier, about 1919); many 1930's hits were sophisticated "crooner" romantic songs (think Bing Crosby), but this started in the late-'20's, as well; movies were sound as opposed to the silent ones of the 1920's, but sound in movies was going very mainstream already in 1929, and silent films lingered as late as 1936 (i.e. "Modern Times" with Charlie Chaplin). By the way, the advent of full-fledged rock and roll in the 1950's was derived from boogie-woogie (popular since the late-1920's), swing, and R&B (believe it or not present in many ways since the late-1930's), and doo-wop could be heard as early as 1939 (starting with The Ink Spots' #3 national hit "My Prayer" that year). Technicolor was present as early as 1929, like in Academy-Award nominated THE HOLLYWOOD REVUE OF 1929 (1929). Walt Disney revolutionized animation in the 1930's -- amazing to think that FANTASIA was in movie theaters in 1940 -- but still, both the '20's and '30's had Fleischer animation competing with (similar-looking to Fleischer) Disney animation -- think Betty Boop in the 1930's. In both the '20's and '30's, the difference between rural America and the rest of America was like night and day, as rural America was still largely unchanged since the late-19th century (see then-contemporary hit movies OF MICE AND MEN [1939] and BOOM TOWN [1940] to see examples of that).

All that said, the stereotypical "Roaring '20's" culture in its full force also carried into the 1930's -- you know, the flapper/Art Deco/speakeasy (remember the Prohibition ended in 1933)/box-shaped-car/hat-and-cane-sporting men (like Chaplin) -- all that jazz (pun intended). Interestingly, I consider this culture to have a strange and eerie quality about it. (Watch GRAND HOTEL [1932] to see what I mean, for instance the pacing and dialogues capture it.) It wasn't just flirtatious women with short hair and caps and sequined short black dresses with long necklace beads dancing to songs like "The Charleston" (a #1 hit in 1925 by Paul Whiteman & His Orchstra) -- although that was a part of it. It's just a culture so utterly foreign from the present and genuinely with a lot of strangeness, exemplified by eerie orchestral hits with grainy sound and very strange-sounding horns with dissonant melodies and lack of musical structure as we know it. Try listening to some of it, it's like having a portal to a different dimension (no joke!). I played one such song -- "Margie" by Claude Hopkins & His Orchestra (#5 hit in 1934) -- for my friend and he told me it was blowing his mind and how in contrast to today's song structure he didn't know "WHAT it was doing."

As a side note, I'd argue that this culture lasted all the way into the 1950's, and if you'd like one example (out of MANY) to see for yourself I point to "I Love Lucy," including female characters wearing drab (in color and style) long coats & dresses, very small hoop earrings (just like flapper Betty Boop had worn 2 decades earlier [!]), flapper-type Lucy dressed just like I described above (including sequined tight black dress and long beaded necklaces) saying she's a "Wicked City Woman" trying (unsuccessfully) to scare off her cousin Ernie who's overstayed his welcome, the Deco furniture in the New York apartment, sense of humor reminiscent of that of (the MUCH earlier) silent comedy films [there's even an episode with Groucho Marx, who had been popular since the 1930's but sense of humor carried over from the previous decade's silent comedies], slang (indignant "Fresh!" "Did you call me up to make gags?") and so on. (Although I know there are also elements in the show of culture that one would associate nowadays with the '40's, like some of the styles and fashions and Ricky's big-band Latin orchestra sounding nothing like the strange sounds I described earlier, but more like the orchestras of Tommy Dorsey ('30's/'40's), Jimmy Dorsey ('30's/'40's), Glenn Miller ('30's/'40's), Xavier Cugat ('30's/'40's), or Perez Prado ('50's but in that same style).)

Well alright, so I know I LOVE LUCY isn't exactly creepy in the strict sense of the word, but I stand by it certainly having strangeness about it and the environment in it.

All of this is a very long way of saying the "Roaring '20's" culture -- that lasted long past 1929 (in spite of other cultural elements being in play) -- was a good choice in its strangeness and its being eerie, as well as being so completely distant and foreign from anything familiar to a modern audience (and an audience in 1980), for such a strange and frightening ghost story as THE SHINING. This is very well captured in the ballroom scene with its period spirits dancing and mingling on Deco armchairs and sinister Lloyd the bartender, and with "Midnight, the Stars and You" and its eerie and dissonant instrumentation playing as from a different and strange dimension that still somehow lives on in the Overlook Hotel. (And this is just before the supernatural goes from very eerie to viciously horrific in the movie.)

And "Midnight, the Stars and You," while being from 1934, sounds easily like it could have been from 1921, because the culture (musical and otherwise) reflected in that song (and movie scene) was just as much a part of American life in 1921 as it was in 1934 and even long past that.







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I agree completely that there is something eerie about the music of that era. Maybe it's reflective of the underlying darkness of the 20s (the Fatty Arbuckle scandal comes immediately to mind - and Fitzgerald, of course, was tapping right into that) and, to a modern audience, the knowledge of what was to come.

I also agree that the song being technically anachronistic doesn't matter because The Shining is about a kind of timelessness - it's the past bleeding into the present, and vice versa. A song from 1934 playing over an image from 1921 is entirely appropriate.

You mentioning the 50s reminds me of Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master, which also makes good use of period appropriate music. His use of Changing Partners at the end of that film is very reminiscent of Kubrick's use of Midnight, the Stars and You, for me, because it's a spot on selection of a popular song which seems to capture an entire era and atmosphere.

I also think both songs (and I recall Anderson talking about this in interviews) have a mournful, sad quality to them. I'll admit to being the sort of person who looks at an old photo and thinks "All these people are dead now" anyway, but the image at the end of The Shining, alongside the music, gives me a very strong feeling of the past echoing (the track even has a slight echo to it) down to the present. Which, again, is a very appropriate feeling to be left with from this film in particular.

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Changing Partners in 'The Master' is without a doubt the one other song used in a film that comes to mind for me in comparison to its emotional impact Vs The Shining. Slow Boat to China, it's just an extremely well made ending to a film and evokes something inside all of us. Great point!

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Hi, I appreciated your post and thought maybe you could help me find a song from the 20s or 30s. It is this song, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhnKGg4-kh4

Now, after getting some help from another imdb member I was led to this song by Annette Hanshaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WORe-Ck39c but I still don't believe this is the song in the first video (although the lyrics are the same) I believe it is a man singing in the first video.

One of the reasons I love The Shining so much is because of the music, and the idea of being drawn back into the past to a haunted ballroom. I love this kind of music so much. I would recommenced the artist, The Caretaker, to you. He is a current artist but samples music from the 20s and 30s (and of course he takes a lot of inspiration from The Shining) You should listen to False Memory Syndrome and Von Restorff Effect for a first taste.

False Memory Syndrome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jskdsARxw

Von Restorff Effect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMawfy7mgrs

And, he has done Midnight, The Stars and You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_xh6eTPn44

Thank you sincerely for any help you may be able to give me!

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Great post! Thank you for the musical history lesson. Very cool. I'm envious of those who are so knowledgeable. I must say, I too find the music from that era a tad creepy; or at least haunting.

And just one more reason I had to reply to your post --- I laughed out loud when you referenced I Love Lucy. I seriously hated that show as a kid. My Grandmother watched that show when I was little and I'd run away. I know the point you were trying to make, but for me, that show WAS creepy in the true sense of the word! Haha!!! I'm not sure what it was (maybe Lucy's shrieking voice) but I reacted as if it was a horror film. EVERY. TIME. To his day I wouldn't watch that show. I have watched a minute or two as an adult, and I don't necessarily get scared, but the whole thing is creepy to me. Lucy, Ricky, the neighbors, ugh.....its just a weird show to me.

I just had to share! 😀

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I collected all of All Bowlly songs ever since I discovered his music in ''The Shining'' - U might like this singer named Henry Hall, he has a lot of creepy songs from the 1930's...

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Stalking me on IMDB?!?! CREEEEEPY! 😎😄 I'm kidding. Anyway, I'll try to check out Henry Hall (if you meant to respond to my post). Some of that era's music might be good for a Halloween party...never thought of it!

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Interesting fact, the song "Midnight, the Stars and You" (by Ray Noble & His Orchestra) -- the song playing in the ballroom scene and again at the very end when the picture of the ball is seen reading "1921" -- is actually from 1934 (recorded, released, and charted in 1934). I find this interesting for many reasons. In spite of that 13-year gap, I feel it was a completely fitting choice for this movie.


If you read the pages from the script that are floating around (from before the point where Vivian helped her father select the songs that would eventually come to be used in the picture), you'll see that Kubrick actually had listed songs he intended to have playing in the background as 1930s ones, not 1920s ones. So, while the photo at the end is dated 1921, that doesn't mean that the time-travelling scene takes place that year. Obviously, Mr. Torrance was there at The Overlook in the 1930s as well, and that is when the ballroom scene is occurring.

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Thanks for your interesting and very apt comments here. I haven't got much to add except to emphasise that, as the music editor, the main reason I choose this piece of music was that - as I've said many times before - it just fitted the scene and worked so much better than anything else I found. Normally Stanley wanted me to give him a choice of several pieces of music, but here I was stuck. I think I had something else laid up that was almost deliberately bad so that he would reject it. I remember that because I'd not given him a real choice he was v quiet about it, and didn't make an immediate decision. I'd already shown it to Vivian (who was a great Ray Noble fan, and had actually pointed me in that direction) and she really liked it. I then told her I was really worried that Stanley was going to reject it, and I remember very clearly she said, 'Don't worry, leave it to me!' And then about a day or even two days later Stanley came into the cutting room and after talking about something else, just said very casually, words to the effect, 'Oh, by the way, lay up Midnight, the Stars and You in the ballroom scene.'

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Is the music of that era tougher? Like, it seems the farther back you go in the 20th century, the tougher the people are in general. Today, we tend to view natural toughness as "dark."

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