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sorry, but the acting is horrible!


I just recently bought this version of P&P, after already owning the A&E version for a long time and being in LOVE with it (and P&P the book is my all-time favorite book). (note: in my opinion the 2005/06 Hollywood version should not even be allowed to be called P&P, it's so off)
Overall this one (1980) was a tolerable version, but my goodness the actors were all ROBOTS! There was no emotion whatsoever, until the last episode! Especially Elizabeth and Darcy. The actors were complete robots until the last section, when they finally showed some variance. And with regard to Jane and Mr. Bingley, there was nothing there! Blah!

The only actors I thought were very good in this version were those who played Mr. Collins, Lady Catherine, and Charlotte.

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I thought the actors were terrific in this version. This Bingley is possibly the only Bingley where I can understand why Darcy is such a good friend of his. I really loved the Gardiners in this version, as well as the Collinses, Lady Catherine, Mr. & Mrs. Bennet, Wickham and Jane.

As for Elizabeth and Darcy, well, they're up there on my list too. I love Elizabeth Garvie. She and Greer Garson vie for #1 on my list of Elizabeths. And David Rintoul is exactly the way I picture Darcy when I read the book -- aloof, aristocratic and enigmatic.

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I thought the actors were terrific in this version. This Bingley is possibly the only Bingley where I can understand why Darcy is such a good friend of his. I really loved the Gardiners in this version, as well as the Collinses, Lady Catherine, Mr. & Mrs. Bennet, Wickham and Jane.

As for Elizabeth and Darcy, well, they're up there on my list too. I love Elizabeth Garvie. She and Greer Garson vie for #1 on my list of Elizabeths. And David Rintoul is exactly the way I picture Darcy when I read the book -- aloof, aristocratic and enigmatic.


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Movie girl: Yes, my hubby and I first saw the 1980 version in the early 80's and it is our favorite now too. Elizabeth Garvie is wonderful as Elizabeth and Sabina Franklin as Jane. They were all beautifully chosen, including Barbara Shelley as Mrs. Gardner! Of course. David Rintoul is perfect as Mr. Darcy, proud, aloof, aristocratic! And as for the other women, I love the snobbery of Mr. Bingley's sisters and acting of Mr. Bennett. This Mr. Bingley is ideal in the 1980 version; unconceited, well-mannered and friendly. No wonder Jane fell for him!

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That version has my favorite Jane and Bingley.

Elizaebth Garvie is tied as my favourite Elizabeth with Greer Garson.
Garvie is a featured speaker at this year's Jane Austen Society of North America Annual General Meeting.


Elizabeth Garvie in Conversation with Dr. Elisabeth Lenckos
http://www.jasna.org/agms/philadelphia/special_events.html

I thnk the acting is very subtle, which is exactly how I imagine it would/should be. In hte 1990s it was the style to inject a lot more emotion than earlier versions had. While I enjoy that too, I think the earlier acting style is probably more accurate. But even so, imo Garvie's Elizabeth is the right blend of "a lively, playful disposition, which delighted in any thing ridiculous" (ch. 3) and "a mixture of sweetness and archness in her manner which made it difficult for her to affront anybody" (ch. 10) and much to be preferred over Jennifer Ehle's scowling, too angry and resentful Elizabeth.

I think a lot of people are shocked by the production values in these earlier versions when they first watch them, and find everything about them to be vastly inferior to the 1990s versions. But after a 2nd or 3rd viewing, the shock wears off and the qualities in these versions really shine through.

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I will definitely be watching it again, to see if it does grow on me...but I did not see any playfulness or delight in Elizabeth. She had the same facial expression and voice tone throughout 90% of the movie, and hardly ever smiled. And nothing seemed to ruffle or even surprise her at all, that's why I used the term "robot." (with Darcy too--he really needed to show even just a slight bit of facial variance). I really feel that after Darcy's proposal she would be more ruffled, and Lady Catherine's visit to Elizabeth would really make her hot-faced at least.

I do agree that this Elizabeth was more accurately youthful and innocent. And I did like most of the minor character actors here like I said previously. It's just that the lead characters really lacked emotion & chemistry. They don't need to go overboard, and I don't think the later version went overboard at all (except for the times when Elizabeth is reading Darcy's letter and repeats "hateful man"), but this one just needs to be above zero! LOL

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1980'sGirl, DO watch it over again. After awhile you'll really be able to see all the subtle reactions in Elizabeth's demeanor. She does a very good job at bringing my idea of Lizzie to life. I thought Jen Ehle was a bit over-the-top, though I liked her. I'll have to see the Keira version again. I don't remember it enough to compare.

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I just watched episode 1 this morning, and I can assure one and all that Elizabeth smiles a lot. Jane was a little "cattier" than she should be, but even after not having watched it for a couple of years, I was reminded why I love this version.

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Totally with you, 1980sGirl. I just finished watching this and the acting was some of the worst I have ever seen. They were all wooden, especially Darcy, and Elizabeth was so annoying I could have slapped her. The script was also terrible writing. The departures from Austen in the dialogue were absolutely insipid. The voiceovers for internal monologues were intrusive and annoying. The characters were absolutely nothing like they are supposed to be.

Mr. Collins was decent. That's all the good I have to say about it.

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I disagree.
Obviously I was not around back then, but I do understand that manners and society were different. What today might be considered 'stilted' was merely proper behavior at that point in time. People spoke and acted more formally.
Garvie's Elizabeth and Rintoul's Darcy are by far my favorite of all P & P productions, and the language used is directly from the book.
We do not see the lush production values seen in more recent adaptations--but we do see the real characters as Austen wrote them.
I enjoyed the narration especially since it came directly from Austen.

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@princesspeanutforever.

I came here to see if anyone else felt the same way I do about this version of Elizabeth. I found her sarcastic and rude. Not very likable.
The Bennett sisters were barely tolerable and the Bingley sisters were odd (especially for high society women).

Then again, I'm probably the only one here that LOVES the 2005 version with Keira Knightly. The characters were more three dimensional.

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I have to disagree. I think if Jane Austen could magically watch this version of Pride and Prejudice, she would recognize the characters instantly and feel comfortable with them. The only jarring note for me was the portrayal of the Bingley sisters - they were supposed to be capable of great charm when they felt like it, but the actresses never showed an ounce of charm - their nastiness was overdone, which was unfortunate. However, there probably just wasn't enough time available to dwell on their characters, just as time constraints led to a few favorite lines being left out here and there. I love this version of Pride and Prejudice and watched it with my mother when it first came out, and many times since.

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For the most part I disagree, Elizabeth Garvie does give a gentler, sweeter Lizzie than Ehle, but that's ok, although it doesn't always quite tally. She seems too gentle to be the sort to head off to Netherfield by herself for example, although Ehle is contrariwise a bit sharp at times. I would only have to say that there are moments when Garvie is too reserved - and these are points when the script differs from the book, such as when she takes Darcy's proposal too well. In the book, she bursts into tears afterwards.

Its similar with Darcy. It makes him more reserved than even in the book that Lizzie comes to him about Lydia!

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I've only watched a little of this version, but I'm not inspired to watch much more. I suspect people could get away with being more playful than this version shows them. If they couldn't, I think the book would actually read very differently! After all, what we love about Lizzie is her courage and wit when she lets the hot air out of Mr. Darcy.

I'm finding I love the 1995 version, even though Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth are a little too old for their parts. I can easily forgive that.

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I finally got through this one over the weekend. I have to agree with the original poster: this Elizabeth seemed to have her eyebrows arched the whole time, and Darcy just stood there and barked his lines like an automaton. I didn't see any moment that seemed fresh and natural, only a series of actors who stepped forth, rapped out their lines briskly, then raised their brows and waited for their turn to come about again. And Lydia was so over the top as to be distracting. I'll have to stick with the Ehle/Firth version.

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Barks g, haha! I fullt agree. I found the acting completely wooden in this version. The collinses were ok as was the Lady C d B. Apart from that, Ugh, terrible and robotic. I like both the never versions.

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I think Elizabeth Garvie is the best Elizabeth Bennett, and I think I've seen them all (Greer Carson, Jennifer Ehle and Kiera Knightley). I don't care so much for Mr Bennett in this version but I like him better than Donald Sutherland. Mr Collins in this version is a real laugh, funnier than any of the other versions. And I like Charlotte Lucas in this version, but I can't get Elinor Dashwood out of my head when I see her.

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Yeah, it was very stagey, I felt. Maybe that was just how British telly was done back in the 70s?

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It was. Watch any adaptation through the mid-to-late 1980s and they're all rather stagey.

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There are many things that are good and bad about this adaptation but all in all, as I'm in the process of seeing it for the first time, I have to say I like it much more than I thought I would.

For the bad parts: yes, it is very stagey and cold in places. There's a lot of just waiting for the moment to come to say your line and than get out of the way. People stating their lines as opposed to saying them. A perfect example of this is the ball dance between Elizabeth and Darcy. It's so cold, there's nothing there. No attraction, no indifference, nothing ... It might as well not have been put it for all the good it does to advance Darcy and Elizabeth's relationship. Thinking back to the dance in '95 and 2005 (this was I think one of the best scenes in that adaptation), this scene is sooo bad ... I was very disappointed.
The costumes also seem a bit off ... But that might be just my perception, altered as it is by later adaptations. They might actually be more accurate (I'm referring in particular to the men's wardrobe that seems more 18th century than the beginning of the 19th century)so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not all that keen on Rintoul's Darcy either. He's just too robotic as the other poster on this thread said. There's very little emotion in his acting. I know Mr. Darcy is repressed but if he was so cold, so aloof as Rintoul portrays him I doubt he'd fall in love with anyone, let alone Elizabeth and even less that he would offer marriage to her. Darcy's problem was not that he was cold hearted but that his pride and reserved personality, aided by some shyness I suspect, did not allow him to "easily converse with strangers". As we find out later he is "perfectly aimable" and has a kind heart. It's just the first impression of him that makes you think he's hateful and overly proud. Rintoul, however, does improve once at Rosings, especially in appearance. He seems much more warm, young and vulnerable which garners him some sympathy from the viewer. He doesn't however manage to emote much in the proposal scene which is a pity since his Elizabeth shines in this scene.

That being said there are also a lot of good things:

For one, it's nice to have more of Jane Austen's dialogue and also scenes that did not make it in the other adaptations.

Also I really like this Elisabeth much more than Ehle's. She's witty but not offensive; proud, immature and prejudiced without being disliked for it. Also you're not always on her side as you were in the 95 adaptation. There didn't seem to be anything wrong with Ehle's Lizzy's judgement throughout, only Firth's Darcy which is certainly not as Austen wrote the story. It's supposed to be a journey of maturity for both characters, not just Darcy. Also I liked her reaction after Darcy proposed. She was angry at him, but also affected by his proposal and finding out that he loved her. It clearly showed that she was not as indifferent to him as she made it appear. Ehle only seemed to like Darcy after she sees his house which annoyed me for many years but I always thought that's how the book presented it. I know better now and so does this adaptation.

Then there is the matter of Mr. Collins. I really like him in this version. Not like like him, I mean but you know ... He just seems more real, not a caricature ... I, even on occasion, called him sweet because he does try so hard and is so hypocritical but he can't help it. It's not a malicious portrayal but a sympathetic one. As the audience you're allowed to laugh at Mr. Collins but as the actor playing him you should at least attempt to play him as a human being. Also, Charlotte Lucas comes off very well in this adaptation.

Also I like the portrayal of Mr. Bennet. In all the adaptations you can't help but feel for him because his wife is so pushy and over the top. But in this version you realize that there's a reason why she's like this. He's no better then her. Where she's pushy, he's sarcastic and passive aggressive. Where she tries to do something, he tries his hardest not to do anything. That's his problem really: that he doesn't want to do anything, ever. You understand why they're in the financial situation they're in, and it's not all Mrs. Bennet's fault.

Lastly, there's Mr. Bingley. It's the first time I really liked him. In the 95 adaptation he just "smiled too much", lol. He didn't seem to be affected by anything. I didn't believe he was that in love with Jane. In the 2005 version, he's a fumbling teenager which is sweet but not really in tune with the character in the book.

I didn't much mind the voice overs either. I think they helped since the acting was so wooden. It gave some clarity to the scenes.

All in all, I'm glad I got a hold of this adaptation and I recommend it to anyone that wants to better their understanding of the Pride and Prejudice story.

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Thanks for posting your thoughts. I don't usually read long posts, but I enjoyed reading yours.

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ugh yes and they all look 40 years old, except for charlotte, ironically. i'm sorry but this version is comically bad at some points. check out when lizzie goes to visit jane at mr bingley's and she walks into the room, and it just flashes to each person's alarmed face, to all this cheesy dun dun DUN music... so bad. and don't get me started on mary. they took her jokes just way too far. this version is just so cheesy to me.

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If you look at the cast list, you'll see that most of the actors were age-appropriate. Unlike P&P95, where (for example) 15-year-old Lydia was played by a woman who is older than the woman who played Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Garvie (Elizabeth) was 22/23 when this was filmed. The character is 20/21. Jennifer Ehle was 25/26 when she played Elizabeth.

Natalie Olgle (Lydia) was 19/20 when this was filmed. Julia Sawalha was born in 1968, making her approximately 26 when she played the role. The character is 15 at the beginning of the story, and 16 by the end.

Sabina Franklyn (Jane) was in her mid-to-late 20s when this was filmed. So yes, she was a little too old to play Jane. But Susannah Harker was 29/30 when she played Jane.

David Rintoul (Darcy) was younger than Colin Firth was when Firth played Darcy. Rintoul was around 32. Firth was around 35.

So, if you want to whine about the actors' ages in this version, you really don't have a leg to stand on.


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