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Aimed at little kiddies. Get 'em while they're young.
Teach them all why it's wrong to be a heathen. Great family entertainment.
"The Small One" has always been promoted as a Christmas program. No hidden agenda. What a comforting lesson for children that "there's a place for each small one, God planned it that way".
"The sun is not kind. God should use a rose-amber spot."
There's a difference from being "christmas" in the secular European holiday tradition, and blatant christian propaganda such as this.
The film is propmoted as a christmas movie, much like Home Alone, only you don't see a virgin riding a donkey in that movie, out to convert the little Heathen kiddies.
Not surprising, given the other indoctrination attempt with Narnia. Get 'em while they're young, or else they'll grow up with their own minds.
We can't have that now, can we?
I love the word propoganda. People use it when something comes out that they don't like. That is fine. I don't have problems with it. However, it amazes me that the people who claim they are most against censorship are the ones who want to censorship the most.
However, if you choose not to go to a movie because of its content, that's fine. Just don't tell me I cannot watch it.
Secondly, films like "Home Alone" are not Christmas movies. They are movies that take place at Christmastime, but they are not Christmas movies. As for the secular European holiday, it has only become a secular holiday since most Europeans are atheists or agnostics, which is fine for me. They can celebrate the holiday anyway they want. Several centuries ago, the religious meaning of Christmas was still celebrated in Europe, not anymore.
However, the bottom-line is, no matter how much people try to secularize Christmas and make it holiday of spending to the max, it is still, at it's core, a Christian holiday, celebrated by Christians to celebrate the birth of Christmas (mas means birth; hence, birth of Christ). Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ on Christmas. No matter what anyone says, Christmas is first and foremost a religious holiday.
Then there is the little matter of the First Amendment, of which everyone forgets about Clause 2, which states that all those freedoms should not be impinged upon by other people (including the right to worship as one desires). The town square is supposed to be for everyone. They can have a menorah and Muslim symbols in the town square, but not a creche. That to me is not freedom of religion. If there is really supposed to be this separation of church and state, then none of these religious symbols should be in the town square.
There are relatives in my house who don't believe in God. I do not preach to them or try to change their minds. They are entitled to their beliefs. I AM ALSO ENTITLED TO MY BELIEFS AS WELL. It's ridiculous when kids can where symbols of the devil to school, but Christians kids cannot where a cross around their neck if they so choose.
As for "Chronicles of Narnia," the film was a big hit. So, I'm sure both believers and nonbelievers went to see it. The film was also a movie about values, things like loyalty, friendship, hoesty, and faith, things that used to be admired in this country. The First Amendment guarantees the filmmakers the right to make this movie. You have a choice of whether or not to go see it. I'm sure there are people out there who would like to ban C.S. Lewis' books as well, some of those same people who don't believe in censorship. Moreover, "Chronicles of Narnia" is one film with a Christian message, probably the only film that year with a Christian message. How many other films were made the year of "Narnia's" release? How many of those had a Christian message? I don't understand why people would begrudge Christians a night at the movies. You don't have to go see Narnia if you don't like it.
You talk about brainwashing. Some of my relatives talk about brainwashing kids about religion. I replied: "Parents teach their kids their values. Do you consider that brainswashing. If that is the case, then agnostic/atheist parents are brainwashing their kids to be atheists, just as you claim Christians are brainwashing their kids."
I frankly think we need more movies like "Chronicles of Narnia," movies that teach values. I mean, look at all the corporate scandals involving Enron, Arthur Andersen, etc. Don't think for one moment that those crooked executives only cheated on corporate time. If a person cheats in one area, they will cheat in another thing. In fact, cheating and lying seem to be pervasive in our society. I saw a special on TV, where students admitted they cheated on tests so they could get good jobs when came out of school (these were Ivy League Schools). None of them saw anything wrong with that.
I thought values that not stealing, not killing, not cheating, and loving your neighbor were good things to promote. If that is called Propaganda, so be it. Telling people that there is no right or wrong, that everything is permitted, is known as amoral behavior, which seems to be the norm today.
I am not trying to convert everyone. All I'm saying is that Christians have Constitutional rights the same as everyone else, rights that are slowly being impinged on or eroded away. It's ridiculous that no one can say Merry Christmas in stores anymore at Christmastime. Retailers, analysts, and tons of other businesses make tons of money on Christmas each year. THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT CHRISTMAS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY, no matter how others choose to celebrate it. If Jesus Christ was not born, there would be no Christmas holiday. There would be no vacation time for the school children. There wouldn't be millions of dollars going into the cash registers of retailers, either.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: Don't preach to me and tell me what I should watch, and I won't preach to you.
Deborah
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Clause 2, which states that all those freedoms should not be impinged upon by other people (including the right to worship as one desires)
Based on your constitutional interpretation all Satanists can rape and murder because their faith allows them to, thou shalt not impinge accoring to you.... Clearly, this power is not absolute, or my sudden new religion prevents me from paying taxes.
But the constitution is clear: we all have thr right to believe what we want. Pity that same right doesn't extend to children, because parents always convert their children to their faith. If they protested, they'd be punished, and no one could stop them.
f you feel it's blatant Christian propaganda then stay away from it. Before I watch a movie I always check out it's content and rating. Does my choice upset you? Your choice doesn't upset me.
As an adult you're free to make that choice, pity you don't give that same right to your children. You force this upon them, try to brainwash them to convert to your faith. If they resisted, you'd punish them for not being like you.
Whichever way you look at it, religious films aimed at children have but one point: to convert chdilren to christianity to save their heathen souls.
You may as well show them Triumph of the Will. share
What is the difference between brainwashing kids to be Christians or brainwashing them to be atheists. Based on what I gather from what you are saying, you think anything parents teach their children is brainwashing. And, the truth of the matter is, Atheism/Agnoticism is a form a religion (a nonreligion). Anything a parent teaches a child could be considered brainwashing, if you consider teaching values to a child brainwashing
If kids were allowed to do whatever they want to do, they would spend most of their time playing and having fun. Kids need guidance from their parents; that's what being a parent means. Do you think parents should not teach their kids any value at all.
The only way not to brainwash them to religion is to expose the children to both points of view, which means exposing them both to church and the outside world. When they grow up, they can decided what's what.
And, since when do children (those under 18) have the full rights of citizenship? The US Constitution protects the rights of citizens, as well as, noncitizens. It is up to the parents to raise their children, not the state, unless you want a gulag State that existed under Stalin. How well does the State protect children's rights, anwyay. In the US, people have a fit is someone spanks a kid five times with their hand, but makes excuses for someone who takes their toddler and bangs his head against a toilet or other hard object. In those cases, the perpetrators of the crime (parent who beat kid) is made out to be a victim.
The media (including TV, radio, and Hollywood) have enough of a brainwashing effect on the kids. Church brings the balance a little more to the other side. As far as protecting Satanism goes, people who worship Satan have more rights than Christians do, with kids not being able to wear crosses to school. I guess that means the Second Clause of the First Amendment doesn't count to them.
You have your freedom of choice to worship or not worship as you please; don't impinge on mind. You seem to begrudge one movie per year with Christian themes at the theater. Well, that movie made a heck of a lot more money than most of the POS Crap released by Hollywood in the past few years. I was an avid moviegoer at one time, but have barely gone this year. And yes, I did go to films that did not have a Christian theme, either, and I enjoyed quite a few. That was at a time when Hollywood made movies for an audience, not to satisfy their own warped needs.
Christmas is still first and foremost a religious holiday, no matter how much it is secularized. Nothing can change that. And, if you don't like Christians, why celebrate their holiday? I've had my fill of this subject.
Take care.
Deborah
And, as far as brainwashing goes, the
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deb deb deb, "christmas" has long been a secular holiday more than it's been a religious one, at least in EUROPE. Almost seems like you want to force jesus onto people who don't want to follow it. YOU do realize that the celebrations used as CHRISTMAS are pagan traditions christians stole (after killing most of them off) like a tree, gifts, etc, and regardless "jesus' birthday" is more around September, not Decemeber. SO it's never really been about worshipping an alleged Messiah.
It is up to the parents to raise their children, not the state, unless you want a gulag State that existed under Stalin
So according to you it would be acceptable to starve a child who didn't want to say grace? Or "ground" a child who refused to go with you to church. You would send them to "straight-camp" to make them not gay. It's all propaganda aimed at converting children to be just like thier parents. We give more rights to non-citizens than we do American children!
Whichever way you face it, you are trying to justify brainwashing children to make them believe the same things you do. And you would punish them if they didn't. Sick. share
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Septemeber, I'm not saying that there can't be christian cartoons, but it was never ADVERTIZED as a christian cartoon, but a happy, family, CHRISTMAS acrtoon, like Southpark chasing after Santa, not giving up a donkey so a virgin carrying the "son of god" can ride down to a manger.
If you have any doubt about the effects of indoctrination on children, I strongly urge you to watch the film Jesus Camp: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/board/threads/
"but a happy, family, CHRISTMAS acrtoon, like Southpark chasing after Santa, not giving up a donkey so a virgin carrying the "son of god" can ride down to a manger."
I know that this is a very old post, but when you take advantage of a religious holiday for days off and getting gifts, you'd better be prepared to face the fact that there are going to be certain specials that emphasise the TRUE, GENUINE, reason for Christmas, which is the BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST. his name is even in the title of the holiday.
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I think it should become pretty obvious as to what this short is really about very early on. the ancient middle-eastern setting should be a dead give away that Santa Claus will be no where to be seen.
Don't look into the Death Star, or you will die.
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