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The 'hippie' scene was horrible!


I wasn't buying it. They see each other every year but one year she she shows up transformed into some Berkeley attending, war protesting, uncharactersitically swearing, hippie. An Alan Alda suddenly Mr Uptight Establishment. Not buying it. Worst scene in the movie.

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The hippie scene was a great example of liberal idiocy. Doris goes into a rant about being a liberal Democrat and refuses to associate with George for supporting Goldwater because he had talked about using the bomb.

Fair enough but she conveniently leaves out liberal Democrats Kennedy and Johnson got us into that war in the first place. She is madder at Goldwater for his hypothetical notion of using tactical nukes than the very politicians who got us into that mess.

Hell, Kennedy was the only president in history to bring us to the brink of all out nuclear war with the Soviets! He remains a hero of the left to this day.

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Your right-wing, conservative point of view is so blatant(to the point of blinding your understanding of the facts). Which is fine, we are all entitled to our own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts. You need to expand your reading of history. After WWII, the Cold War started heating up and the fight for every corner of the earth to fall to either communism or democracy began. Vietnam started with Truman providing aid to the French to retain control of their Indochina colonies, thus keeping control from a pro-communist government. It escalated when the French lost these territories and the 17th parallel was established as the dividing line between Communist North Vietnam and South Vietnam. Under Eisenhower, we spent a lot of money to have the CIA create a democratic South Vietnam government. It continued to pick up speed with Kennedy sending in more aides to the new government and finally with Johnson getting the US Congress to approve the Tonkin Gulf Resolution in 1964 and the bombing began in earnest in early 1965. The Cold War was owned by several presidents and not just Kennedy/Johnson. I will put my own coda on this and say that people want to give Reagan credit for winning the Cold War but that is like giving credit to the quarterback for winning the game when it takes the offensive line, defense and special teams to win a football game. The USSR was going to fall eventually regardless because communism is a flawed economic system and not letting people practice their religion of choice is a flawed societal doctrine. Reagan happened to be the lucky one to have it happen on his watch but it was inevitable.

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Kennedy and Johnson put American boots on the ground, Johnson sent in troops. There are CIA operations all over the world but most of them don't end up with the US becoming involved in all out combat. You can always cite some precursor to this event or that, why not go back thousands of years? The escalation points occurred under Kennedy and Johnson. It is revisionist history to claim otherwise.

You are also wrong about Reagan. Tell Lech Walesa Reagan had nothing to do with the fall of the Soviet Empire. Reagan is honored all over the Eastern Bloc to this day for his role in bringing down the Soviets. Carter was resigned to giving the Soviets what they wanted. Reagan changed course and walked away from the table at Reykjavík during the nuclear arms talks.

It was Reagan who demanded Gorbachev "tear down this wall" in Berlin. That gave hope to millions throughout Eastern Europe. It gave them the courage to resist Soviet domination, knowing the world superpower was on their side. Nobody had done that before and liberals were screaming about it at the time, saying he was crazy. Reagan began a missile defense program which the Soviets knew they did not have the funds to match.

Here is a statue of Reagan and Pope John Paul II that was erected in Poland:
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120715/NEWS02/707149910

I will take their word over yours.

I will say this, using your logic you can't blame Bush for the housing bubble and the financial collapse, it had been brewing for 30 years before he took office. I am sure you would agree.

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Bravo, warm.



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