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Are you guys for real?


I was all excited to finally watch this for the first time, today, halloween, on netflix, with my friends...and it litereally ruined the night. Made us laugh. Super goofy, NO PACE AT ALL, stupid decisions from characters, dead points...i can go on for hours. Why do you people like this??? Please expand!

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"Good thing I brought my axe cane"- House

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not on Netflix.

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You must be of a young crowd. Nobody over 30 would agree with you.

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Well you can't please everyone. It's a classic.

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The thing is a classic too, but it's *beep* perfect.

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It's great, but there's issues with it of course.

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. The Intern 7/10. Halloween 10/10

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so how many accounts do you run? by the looks of things, you are using both accounts to drop 10s on movies seemingly at random, and then vote 1s just as random.

i think we are all waiting for the "zOMG! U guyz suxor!" to drop right out since it's fairly easy to read the board and see what people enjoy in the movie.





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Just one, if you're referring to me. Those are all my doppelgangers and haters trolling me with similar screen names and same avatar.

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. Halloween 10/10. Home Alone 10/10

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if i like a movie, it's a 10 to me. If I don't like it's a 1. All the other numbers are *beep* anyways, everybody votes randomly. If i give 10 is to raise the average vote, since a lot of people votes 1. If I rate 1 it's to lower that rating. Simply put. Now mind your *beep* business, people ;)

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Why have you done two threads of the same title about this?





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hahaha You're one of those people that rates everything either a 1 or a 10. That's incredibly lame.

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I was just telling someone that, if I started a similar film site, I'd require 500 ratings for every '10' rating allowed for each member. I'd probably ask for a paragraph about why it deserves that rating as well. A '10' should be one of the greatest films the viewer has ever seen.

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There's different levels of 10. Like, I gave Rocky, Halloween, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rear Window, Wizard of Oz all 10's, for example. They're all in my top greatest movies, and legitimately some of the greatest movies of all time. Now, I also gave Clue, and Bloodsport, and Commando 10's. Do they rank with the former films, I mentioned? No. But, I enjoy them immensely and watch them relatively often. Just one of those things.

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. Halloween 10/10. Home Alone 10/10

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cjh8504 would be a confusing movie critic

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"if i like a movie, it's a 10 to me. If I don't like it's a 1. All the other numbers are *beep* anyways, everybody votes randomly. If i give 10 is to raise the average vote, since a lot of people votes 1. If I rate 1 it's to lower that rating. Simply put. Now mind your *beep* business, people ;)"



SOOOOOOO many arguments that it's even hard to counter-argument.
Ok. You like it or not, that's your right.
But it's a totally different thing to say that the movie is good or bad.
Unless you are SO narcisistic to think that "if I like, it's good. If I don't like, it's a bad movie". But, anyway. Narcisism is what internet is all for.

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"if i like a movie, it's a 10 to me. If I don't like it's a 1. All the other numbers are *beep* anyways, everybody votes randomly. If i give 10 is to raise the average vote, since a lot of people votes 1. If I rate 1 it's to lower that rating. Simply put. Now mind your *beep* business, people ;)"


i do the exact same thing

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I try to temper my ratings. Not everything is a 10 or a 1. I throw some 7's and 8's in there. If I don't like it, 1's, 2's.

RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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You should take into account that Halloween is going on 40 years old.All movies get dated.I'm sure 40 years from now your grandchildren will get a chuckle out of some of the movies you think are cutting edge and scary today.

NO PACE AT ALL
Completely disagree.It was just slow paced.Something most of today's audiences aren't used to.

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He's kind of right. I can't bring myself to watch, much less like, many black and white films and I don't like the "monster" movies from back in the day. It's all about what you grew up with and what you're used to. It affects you. Not saying they're bad because they're old, just simpler and different. I respect them, just not that into them.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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He's kind of right. I can't bring myself to watch, much less like, many black and white films



That's a real shame.


There are so many great films of every genre made in black and white. The 40s in particular is one of my favourite decades for movies with some genuinely brilliant works - many of which are in black and white.

The Val Lewton films, the whole Film Noir era of Bogart, Cagney, Alan Ladd and others, early Hitchcock up to PSYCHO, Tod Browning, Robert Wise, James Whale, Jaques Tourneur, Fritz Lang.........and that's only scraping the surface.

I mean, the quality of these filmmakers was exceptional.


I have never been put off a film in the slightest by the mere fact that it is in B&W.


I have a twelve year old son who is actually quite drawn to older movies including B&W.
Maybe he's an anomaly!



I would urge.....even plead with people not to let B&W be a hurdle when it comes to movie watching.

There are so many gems.









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Exactly, Sim. And lets not forget the Three Stooges.

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. Halloween 10/10. Home Alone 10/10

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And lets not forget the Three Stooges.






How could we.......when you make up a third of them?!!!




Sorry cj, just kidding - I couldn't resist that.....and you set it up so temptingly!

No offence.


But you're right of course. I hadn't even touched on vintage comedy.

Besides The Stooges you had Abbott and Costello, Harold Lloyd, Chaplin and my all time favorites Laurel and Hardy.

To avoid these on the grounds that they're B&W is almost criminal!





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I love Charlie Chaplin and Laurel and Hardy as well. And super criminal!

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. Halloween 10/10. Home Alone 10/10

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My love for older films has grown as I've gotten older. It's a huge piece of cinema Dave is missing out on. I just watched "It came from outer space," "Stagecoach," "The Day the Earth Stood Still," "People will Talk," "The Grapes of Wrath," "Paths of Glory." There's so many free on youtube.

I love black and white cinematography. I love how story focused and simply they were made. The camerawork and editing, it's all story focused. Do we get the same Steven Spielberg if he didn't grow up watching black and white films? I don't think so. A lot of modern stuff bores me.

My local arthouse theater plays old films on 35mm and digital every week. It's a real treat, especially seeing them in a big grand 1930's theater.

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Agreed, Some.

Theater: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 10/10. Psycho 10/10. Halloween 10/10. Home Alone 10/10

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I just hated when I hear the teenagers say this; ''2015 music is so old'' - I say to myself; ''My God, the 80's music that I listen too, it must sound ancient to them when they hear it on the radio''...

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I will never understand someone who judges a film by its age or whether it's black and white. I have actually known people who say if something was made before they were born, they have no interest in it. Books, films, music...

Why would someone want to deprive and limit themselves in such a way? It's so frustrating to me. I often blame it on poor parenting. It makes me sad for them.



My sentiments entirely.

So many great horror films from the early Universal era through to the 40s - which saw the film-noir period hit it's peak, then the sci-fi classics of the 50's and genre classics of the 60's like THE INNOCENTS, THE HAUNTING, REPULSION etc.


It takes all kinds of course but to shun these movies because they're old or black and white is genuinely baffling to me and in no small measure lamentable.



I wonder how such people fair watching great modern B&W such as ED WOOD and SCHINDLER'S LIST?


Is it simply psychological?








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Agreed, entirely as well. Though, I hated Repulsion. Horrible.

X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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It's a matter of taste. Simple as that. Some people like them, some people don't. Same thing with those who don't like 1978 Halloween and find it boring. It's all what we're used to. Now it's one thing to not like B & W movies and never see one, simply on that fact and not trying it at least. It's quite another to try it and not like it.

For instance, I didn't think I'd like Psycho, which is B & W, but I did. I didn't like monster movies in B & W because they were less believable, I mean come on, a Mummy, a wolf, a vampire and Frankensein? That works in books maybe, but not on film. Plus availability at the time. Wasn't on TV when I was growing up and renting selection was limited as was time back then.

So it's more complicated than that and I'm just one person. Imagine the rest of the world, especially those born into 90s horror trying to go back 30+ years. Literally night and day in storytelling on several levels. Doesn't make them wrong, just different. Respect the individual, respect the differences.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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It's a matter of taste. Simple as that. Some people like them, some people don't. Same thing with those who don't like 1978 Halloween and find it boring. It's all what we're used to.







For me the difference is that HALLOWEEN is one individual film, so anyone not liking it is indeed a taste issue and perfectly understandable.


To dislike black and white films in general simply because they are black and white, I feel is a different dynamic.

If anything, it is an across the board rejection of thousands of movies more down to their aesthetics than content.

Of course, there are bad - even awful - black and white movies as well as good and great ones.


To dislike them all - or even in general - because they are black and white means that the good and great ones are largely shunned, their content overlooked and as a result lumped with the bad ones simply because they're not in colour.


For me that actually averts judgement by taste and is more a predisposed renunciation of such films based solely on their lack of colour.




I didn't like monster movies in B & W because they were less believable, I mean come on, a Mummy, a wolf, a vampire and Frankensein? That works in books maybe, but not on film.




Fair enough.......though I'll say that for me, I don't go into a Mummy, (Were)wolf, Vampire or Frankenstein movie expecting believability - so it wouldn't matter to me whether they were in colour or not.

If the atmosphere, direction and story are engaging I would still enjoy them. I feel those Universal horrors were exactly that and indeed fulfil their gothic origins all the better for being in black and white.
I would state also that over the years, millions of people - critics and audiences alike - have found those monsters worked perfectly well on film in the hands of people like James Whale, Tod Browning, etc.




So it's more complicated than that and I'm just one person. Imagine the rest of the world, especially those born into 90s horror trying to go back 30+ years.



I don't find it complicated in all honesty. And I know plenty of young people who don't find watching older films (even B&W) challenging.
I have a son born in 2003 who has no problem watching vintage movies from those eras........likewise my 10 year old daughter.
And they do so without much influence from me - I simply recommend an oldie now and again and for the most part they enjoy them.

For my part, as a child of the late 60s, I was born into 80s horror yet always loved films from the 30s, 40s, even some silent from the 20s if I find them to be of merit. Age, era, or lack of colour never entered my head if the individual work showed craft and quality.




Doesn't make them wrong, just different. Respect the individual, respect the differences.



I'm certainly not saying anyone's "wrong" and no-one is being disrespected.


I simply find it sad and unfathomable how decades of movies could be shunned wholesale simply because they lack colour, despite how well made they may be.







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Valid points. I feel the same way about people who say they hate "gorefests", remakes and found footage. Some are actually done quite well and others, not so much.

All genres should be based on movie to movie not as a whole when condemning or praising. Even back in the day, slashers were kind of panned. Personally, I've always preferred quality over quantity, which is why I don't mind waiting. I've seen the quickies, one, two years between and found them lacking.

Ir's all about a person's mind set, I suppose. That in itself has to do with a lot of factors. Exposure to said genre, age, maturity, etc. I know I was a lot less open minded when I was younger. A lot of people were. A lot of it has to do with knowledge and information base to, the reasoning. Back in the day we knew a lot less going in, whether it's just commercial, trailer or news review. Now we have so much info in our hands it's overthinking it.

Some movies I don't even bother with if they don't look good on paper. But like I said, everyone's different. I don't like surprises any more. Back in the 80s, even early 90s you had no choice.

As they say, kids today....


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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I feel the same way about people who say they hate "gorefests", remakes and found footage. Some are actually done quite well and others, not so much.



Definitely........and even within genres that by nature one might not gravitate toward, surely one can still watch and appreciate individual works that are executed to a high standard.





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I wonder how such people fair watching great modern B&W such as ED WOOD and SCHINDLER'S LIST?


Kids can tell between a black & white film made in 1930's & a black & white film made today.

Having Johnny Depp in a black & white film in Ed Wood, it's obviously made in today's world.


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But what makes the newer more watchable.......they're both black and white regardless of when made?


If it's really as superficial as recognizing one being current because of who's in it etc - and accepting it on those grounds while rejecting the older b&w films - then this suggests that the whole stigma is purely psychological.






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Same has remake songs - Why do kids prefer Jennifer Lopez On The Floor than the original song Lambada song back in the 80's, same chorus, same melody - Like U said purely psychological...

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I love black and white movies. Anything with Cary Grant, High Noon, Psycho, The Three Stooges, Charlie, Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy. They don't make stuff like that anymore.

X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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The black & whites films fits the era of the time - I can't watch The Three Stooges,The Little Rascals or The Munsters in color...


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Halloween doesn't work for new or young viewers today because all of its parts have been ripped off and reused by so many inferior imitations that none of the film seems fresh or new. That's not the movie's fault, that's the movie's success's fault.

If you had seen the film in the theater back in the late 70s or very early 80s, and you hadn't seen any of the ripoffs, you would have been scared out of your mind. At that time, it was, hands down, the scariest movie ever made.

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'At that time, it was, hands down, the scariest movie ever made.'
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I don't agree it was the scariest movie ever made at that time, but a "superior" slasher film. It doesn't really make the list of scariest films, if I recall.

However, millennials don't like much that way made before the year they were born. Kind of depressing, but the way it goes.

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Yeah, kids are stupid.

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