Snuff movies do not exist. - Faces of Death (1978) Discussion

[–] waspfan33 14 years ago

if i invite my brother downstairs to webcast with me and i chop his head off live online and post it on youtube,thats a snuff film,doesnt matter what u say you know it all douche.killing on film and showing it to everyone is snuff.watch 8mm.thats not being offered at the local blockbuster,the vfilm in the film of the girl being butchered,but people bought it and saw it,so its snuff.what youre saying is it has to have a weekend release at great escapes theater to be a snuff film.retarded.

spectre can

suck it.

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[–] Cowman 14 years ago

lol, no, that's not what he's saying, ya moron. He's right. You're the one who doesn't get it.

It doesn't have to be a widely viewed film, it just has to be made **solely for profit**. The guy in 8mm arranged that this film be made. So the only reason the girl was being killed was strictly so that this guy could purchase it and be entertained by it--no other reason. So, we got snuff.

People sell murder videos all the time, but they are dubs of murders that already happened. They weren't perpetrated *specifically for making money*. They are just being bought and sold by people who are trying to cash in on a crime that already took place for reasons other than profit. So you're wrong again.

lol, why are you so wound up about this anyway?

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[–] opuss-owlowl 13 years ago

Facing Reality (Released by Channel13 Films) no IMDb page

The Great American Snuff Film uses a two minute snuff reel

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[–] johnnytourettes 13 years ago

I dunno if the offer is still open but Al Goldstein, publisher of Screw magazine, had a standing offer of $1 million for anyone who can come up with a commercially sold snuff. Thats pretty tempting to anyone who has ever come in contact with such material.

It is true to prove it one way or another but the fact that none has shown up yet seems to favour that they don't.

The worse thing of child porn has been discovered time and time again yet not one 'snuff film'. Criminals being what they are turn on each other for 'plea bargains' all the time - so these criminal film makers/distributors have never used info on 'snuff rings' to reduce their sentences?

With regard to that Russian Child Porn ring - I do remember intial reports saying that there might be Snuff material but as far as i remember there was nothing more released about this. The media often used this tactic in stories.

There were also reports from the 3guys 1hammer case where an associate claimed that they were going to sell the videos to an International distibutor but this was never substantiated.

There were also 2 German killers in the 90'ss who filmed the murder of a prostitute which they claimed they were doing to sell. This also was never proven nor was any distributor arrested.

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[–] Misanthropik 13 years ago

Faces of Death isn't "snuff" because nobody was killed exclusively for the sake of the video. It's a "documentary" format.

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[–] innate_excruciation 12 years ago

The OP is just trying to dupe us into giving him/her snuff films. Don't feed the troll.

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[–] ozipk 12 years ago

Name one snuff film, 1 man 1 icepick i think its called, they still havent found the killer but people allege its the same guy who did cat torturing videos. Not made for profit but to show off.

Obviously if you are going to look it up, be warned its not nice at all. In fact you should just take my word for it and not risk the mental scarring.

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[–] Ceephax 12 years ago

The OP of this thread seems 100% determined that they don't exist.

Like someone else said, just because we haven't encountered aliens yet, it doesn't mean that THEY don't exist.

You don't always need solid proof for such a sick sleazy thing, just an open mind. You only need to look at how sick society can be and how people paid for the now banned website 'insex.com' for proof, which had BDSM torture at it's most extreme. Just look up the documentary 'graphic sexual horror'.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1326224/

I've seen the documentary myself, and it's truly an eye opener. You never know, there may be a secret website out there (perhaps even on the 'deep web') where people pay to join a site that's really hidden in codes and numbers to actually pay to see people getting killed.

Like I said, you never know. It's not the same thing as ghosts. This is actual murder within society we're talking about here.

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[–] Littlebitsofgaming 12 years ago

Wait so "snuff film" is being a motion picture genre that depicts the actual murder of a person or people, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation.
Yet the OP claims they do not exist?

Ok...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150490/

Real deaths and this was sold in shops.

Well that was easy.

BTW the correct definition of snuff films have nothing to do with making money, nor are they films made with deaths that are shot PURELY for that piece of film.
A "snuff film" is a film that shows real death. "Snuff" comes from the meaning to end, extinguish.
The OP is just "altering" the correct definition to suit their own view.
All a true "snuff film" has to do is show a real death...nothing more.

"And so, God came forth and proclaimed widescreen is the best"
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[–] !!!deleted!!! (25030169) 11 years ago

Bestgore.com
all the snuff, suicides, accidents and sick sh!t you'll ever need.

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[–] Illyngophobia 10 years ago

Is bestgore around still? I keep losing track of sites like that. I mentioned 4girls1mouth years ago and I still don't know if bloodshows or rotten are around anymore.

Not saying I'll revisit them, but I'm genuinely curious if they're still a thing.

"I'll go,because I am Cinema!" - Ben (Man Bites Dog)

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (25030169) 10 years ago

Oh yes, they're still a thing.

To be honest bestgore isn't that good, HeavyR is much more fun

Bring out the gimp.

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[–] Illyngophobia 10 years ago

I feel weird that I'm not sharp with a lot of places anymore. I remember finding a gore blog on tumblr a while back and asked if they knew if places like rotten were still around, but I forgot their response.

"I'll go,because I am Cinema!" - Ben (Man Bites Dog)

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (25030169) 10 years ago

Rotten, Ogrish, most of those original sites have been scrapped or are today a shell of their former selves. Ogrish, for example, became LiveLeak

Bring out the gimp.

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[–] Illyngophobia 10 years ago

Ah, bummer.

"I'll go,because I am Cinema!" - Ben (Man Bites Dog)

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[–] detune 10 years ago

That's the Luka Magnotta video, and it's probably the closest thing in existence to an actual snuff film. He advertised the video some time before it was created, so there is a chance that he planned to collect advertising revenue from it. As a porn actor, he was no stranger to making videos for money.

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[–] rockmail 9 years ago

Well unfortunately, you have no idea what you're talking about, because the definition isn't on YOU.

A Snuff film by official FBI definition is one that depicts actual death for the sexual excitement of its viewers and is commercially distributed.

So while its obvious that the Internet is now filled with endless hours of films of actual deaths, much of it is news footage or terrorist propaganda with no commercial distribution or intention of sexual arousal by their makers.

But all of that footage is REAL, definitely real. So your point of there being no films of real death and murder is absolutely wrong.

Whether some wealthy or perhaps dirt poor film producers have actually gone ahead and filmed actual murders and sold them to people who obtain sexual excitement from said productions is something that you or I will probably never know, since we have no interest in such things and will never approach the marketplaces where they might exist.

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[–] umme4uke 9 years ago

Interesting OP and discussion in this thread.

There are some truly scary things out there on the internet - I'd never heard of # guys 1 hammer before and now that I have I like humanity a little less.

For the purposes of the discussion however, commercial needs to be defined.

I have no doubt human murder is filmed and sold. The debate in this thread needs to resolve whether a small, select group of buyers is enough to make the transaction commercial.

commercial
kəˈməːʃ(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, merchant, sales; archaicmerchandising
"the vessels were originally built for commercial purposes"
2.
making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, commercialized, materialistic, mercenary
"public opinion was inward-looking and brashly commercial"

Draw your own conclusion.

It seems to me a single sale could be classified as commercial.

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[–] sneak64 9 years ago

This is from today.

"A television reporter and cameraman were shot to death on live television Wednesday in Virginia by a gunman authorities described as a disgruntled station employee. A second video of the shooting, apparently recorded by the killer, was posted on social media even as police tried to locate the suspect."

His name is Vester Lee Flanagan II so you can look it up.

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[–] Illyngophobia 9 years ago

Something else that happened recently (well a few months ago), was the announcement that Peter Scully had been found and was arrested by police in the Philippines.

Scully is the founder of No Limits Fun, a company on the Deep Web which had a pay-per-view system where people could watch snuff films involving infants and children, all under the age of 15 (from what I've heard). 60 Minutes did a special on him and two of his accomplices (who were some of his abuse victims) sometime in the spring or summer of this year, and it's pretty damn haunting.

The content is chilling, from infants/toddlers being tossed like they're pillows being used in a pillow fight to Scully forcing his victims to dig their own graves. Scully charge (I believe) $100-$10,000 per film, and many of them can still be found on different websites. The last thing I heard was that Scully likely got a life sentence (as did his young accomplices), but the others involved in the videos haven't been found yet.

The world is a pretty scary place.

Our songs will all be silenced, but what of it? Go on singing. -- Orson Welles

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[–] jinx_malone 9 years ago

Agreed.

For those not aware, a snuff film is generally considered to be semi-pornographic before the murder takes place, made in a country that is 'alien' to the viewer i.e 'South America, where life is cheap!' and made for the purposes of sexual gratification. As well as being super expensive and ultra hard to find.

I suppose the closest thing I can think of to snuff would be the tapes made by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, two serial killers who tortured and raped women while filming it. However these tapes were never sold, nor did they film the murders of the women as far as I know.

They're discussed at length in Killing for Culture also, which truly is the definitive book on the subject.

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"It's better not to know so much about what things mean." David Lynch

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[–] Leeccdoo 8 years ago

While you did list a good reference in terms of the book "Killing for Culture", yet at the same time, I don't want to sound like an ass, but yeah they do, I've seen some with my own eyes (while curiously browsing on the deep web years ago, I happened to stumble upon something really *beep* up that I wished I never saw, but nonetheless it has stuck with me ever since). It's just that the government intercepts most of them to try to cover up the fact that they genuinely exist.

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