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Who else thinks Books went way overboard with Dobkins the reporter


Loved JB Books character, just like I did most of the Duke's characters.

But I thought the way he did the reporter was way more than what was called for. I mean I can understand not wanting to be bothered with someone wanting to milk your life story. But I would think a simple no thank you would have been sufficient here. But shoving a gun in the guy's face and throwing him out the door was to much. I agreed with Lauren Bacall's character, that was pretty savage behaviour even for a gunslinger.

I mean that rude *** marshall who came in hurled all those insults at Books deserved that way more than Dobkins did.

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Considering his state of health and age, I would think it not unlikely that he would react that way to somebody who was essentially trying to gain glory for himself at Books' expense. Books shoots a couple of barbs at the marshall but understands that his cooperation would be necessary if Books is going to go out on his terms. He also probably had more respect for a law man as somebody who was competent with firearms vs a wimpy reporter.

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So essentially what you are saying is he didn't do it to the marshall because it was a lot easier to do it to a weaker reporter?

That doesn't make Books seem like much of a badass if he was a lot meaner to someone just because they were weaker, that makes him seem like a coward. Not to say Books was a coward, but if indeed that was his motivations for doing it to Dobkins instead of the marshall that is a little on the cowardly side.

And some lawman, the guy was a first rate douche and deserved a flogging way more than Dobkins did. Of course Books showed in other scenes he was a bad*** but he dropped the ball with his handling of these two. Dobkins was just a journalist trying to make a living, as best as I could tell he wanted to tell his story in a more positive light anyway. So it didn't hurt him that much.

I still say the marshall should have been flogged and a simple no thank you would have been adequate for Dobkins.

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I said no such thing. Both men were "weaker" in the sense you use the term. Let me try again:

Dobkins *vs* Thibodo

looking for self glory *vs* watching out for the community (his job)
probably doesn't know diddly about firearms *vs* law enforcement competence
young smart aleck *vs* older man worthy of respect
only irritating *vs* can put Books in jail where he will die
doesn't show respect to Books *vs* clearly concerned about Books' abilities

I could go on but that should suffice...

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It did. Thanks.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

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I said no such thing. Both men were "weaker" in the sense you use the term. Let me try again:

Dobkins *vs* Thibodo

looking for self glory *vs* watching out for the community (his job)
probably doesn't know diddly about firearms *vs* law enforcement competence
young smart aleck *vs* older man worthy of respect
only irritating *vs* can put Books in jail where he will die
doesn't show respect to Books *vs* clearly concerned about Books' abilities

I could go on but that should suffice...


Looking out for the community? If he was looking out for the community then why not only tolerate in town but look up to and admire someone like Jack Pulford, who was obviously nothing more than a fancily dressed snake? The guy threatened to kill a man in his saloon just because he didn't believe Pulford could take Books, sure at first glance Pulford fired in self defense but he essentially instigated the fight, and just decided to go challenging Books for the hell of it. If Thibido was looking out for the community like you say then why treat a snake like Pulford like someone special?

It looked far more to me like personal dislike of Books than 'looking out for the community.'

Dobkins was at least respectful, and as I said just trying to make a living. A simple no thank you should have been sufficient and if Dobkins persisted then I could see it. Thibido deserved a flogging more than Dobkins I stand by that.

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Something else I might add: If you remember the scene where Books finally points his gun at Thibido, Thibido says something like "You wouldn't shoot a lawman." That indicated to me that even Thibido knew Books was not as dangerous as he was making out, his so called looking out for the community stance was just a cover up for personal dislike and prejudice. I think he knew deep down that it wasn't so much Books that was the problem, but the kind of people Books' reputation attracted. Anyone who had any kind of background as a gun slinger wanted to be the one to take out Books.

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Pity he didn't- Thibido was a nasty little bully unfit to kick his shoes

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Just a journalist trying to make a living? the only thing filthier, is an attorney who becomes a politician.

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I thought it was perfect teh way he treated the reporter. I couldn't help but think if Wayne wanted to play the scene that way because the reporter represented the ultra liberal leftist media that always treated Wayne with contempt in real life..

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1.Books reacts the way he does because Dobkins starts speculating about the former's attitude towards death. 2. He doesn't want to be remembered for a pack of lies, as he later puts it to Serepta, 3. He's probably even shorter tempered than usual given his declining health.

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I loved the scene. I'd love to do that to a member of the media.

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Well apparently I'm in the minority, haha. I didn't see anything wrong with what Dobkins was trying to do. Seemed like he just wanted to tell Books' story, I thought he was very respectful personally.

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Dobkins 'respect' was all a con. Books knew it. After his death it would have been out of Books' control when the book came out so he wouldn't be able to defend himself to the public.

Kinda like when that witch Babwa Walters promised Patrick Swayze she wouldn't mention his father's death in an interview and then did just that so he would cry in public on TV.

The media is filled with snakes. Always has been, always will be.

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Its a good scene with an interesting actor who didn't have too long a career. His name was Rick Lenz, and he was known at the time for two things:

One was co-starring in a short lived "Mystery Western" called "Hec Ramsey," starring Richard Boone and co-starring Harry Morgan(so three of the "Hec Ramsey" cast were in The Shootist.")

But Lenz was also sold as being "a young Jimmy Stewart" -- and that may have hurt him. When a young star is too MUCH like an old star...its hard to become a star.

Anyway, it ended up doubly ironic that this young reporter so abused by John Wayne would be a young Jimmy Stewart clone.

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You can't say that Books is too pleased with several of the people he encounters. Thibido makes sense -- THAT guy hassles Books from the get-go and talks about how happy he will be when Books dies. But Books comes right at the reporter and, later, when reconiling with a woman he obviously loved dearly -- he turns on HER when he learns she's been talking to the reporter. Later still, Books cuts right through the sales pitch of the undertaker(old John Ford hand John Carradine) and drives a hard counter-offer. Speaking of hard counter-offers, Books isn't all that easy on Scatman Crothers in their horse bargaining. And he's damn tough Ron Howard early in the film.

Recall that "The Shootist" was directed by Don Siegel, who directed Dirty Harry. John Wayne reputedly turned down Dirty Harry and later regretted it. Well,in the The Shootist..John Wayne is PLAYING Dirty Harry...just an older, short-tempered Dirty Harry. Books, like Harry, has heroic tendencies, but Books, like Harry, doesn't have much patience with the rest of the world.

Even though it is sad that the character is dying, John Bernard Books displays glints of meanness and self-preservation all through The Shootist that keep it from becoming maudlin.

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Notice also that Books sticks that gun in the reporter's mouth and drags him outside in full view of the very nice and peaceful Lauren Bacall character. Even as a "house guest" on agreed upon terms, Books cannot help but bring his violent way of life into her home. (It becomes worse later with the shootout in his bedroom.)

And of course, "The Shootist" shows that Books is always going to run into men of equally murderous demeanor: the three men he fights in the saloon at the end have no compunction about killing, either. It was the wild, wild, west.

Good, tough movie. Good, tough characters.

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Its a good scene with an interesting actor who didn't have too long a career. His name was Rick Lenz, and he was known at the time for two things:

One was co-starring in a short lived "Mystery Western" called "Hec Ramsey," starring Richard Boone and co-starring Harry Morgan(so three of the "Hec Ramsey" cast were in The Shootist.")

But Lenz was also sold as being "a young Jimmy Stewart" -- and that may have hurt him. When a young star is too MUCH like an old star...its hard to become a star.

Anyway, it ended up doubly ironic that this young reporter so abused by John Wayne would be a young Jimmy Stewart clone.


Agreed with all points. Lenz had made enough of an impression in the Broadway and film versions of "Cactus Flower" to be given a shot at film stardom - he was cast in a "showcase" lead role in "How Do I Love Thee?", a comedy which starred Jackie Gleason, Maureen O'Hara, Shelley Winters, and Rosemary Forsyth, in which he played the son of Gleason and O'Hara and the husband of Forsyth, but the movie bombed.

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Books pulled his gun on the Marshll, too.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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Not me, dude!

As a guy who rooted for the way Cole Hauser knocked off those sleazy paparazzi (in the Mel Gibson-produced movie of the same name), I think Books treated that 19th century version with extraordinary and overly-generous restraint!

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Maybe, but it gave us the immortal line: "Make like that's a nipple..." as he pushed the muzzle of his pistol in Dobkins' mouth.

..Joe

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