A very ominous film


All of the credit in the world goes to John Wayne for making this film. Here you have the biggest star in Hollywood history, making a film that symbolizes his life. You have an aging actor, whose best days were past him, portraying an aging gunfighter, whose best days were behind him. You have a character trying to fit into a world that had changed too much. Much like Wayne was trying to fit into a changing America. Lastly, you had a character, dying of cancer, trying to accomplish one last thing. Wayne, who was also dying of cancer, like the character, was trying to accomplish one last thing, a great film. To me, this film is special, because you are seeing in real life, a dying icon make his farewell. I don't care if you like Wayne or not, that is something that is quite rare in Hollywood history. This film is very special to me.

"If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not."

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I agree. There's a great sadness the permeates the whole film. One of the great westerns, pretty underrated.

What's the Spanish for drunken bum?

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I agree with fringomania. I might not have agreed with his real-life political leanings. But, the Duke was certainly no hypocrite! As Ann Langdon (Marion McCargo) said about John Henry Thomas, in THE UNDEFEATED:

"Whatever your faults, you do have a quaint kind of honesty."

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"I hate to disallusion anyone, because even I thought The Duke was "dying" when he made this film. In reality, Wayne wasn't diagnosed with stomach cancer until 1978 & in 1979 after his stomach was removed the cancer had spread to his intestines and my Hero died that early evening of the 11th of June."

Well, 1978 was when he was actually clinically diagnosed with it. He obviously had it before it was actually detected. It's very possible that he had some form of it as early as 1975 if not even earlier but it hadn't been detected yet. Even if he were going in for regular check-ups, screening techniques were pretty primitive back then compared with today's standards. Instead of saying that Wayne did not have cancer when this film was being made - as the imdb.com trivia section states - it's probably more accurate to say that he was NOT KNOWN to have had cancer when this film was being made.

And I don't really find this film ominous or dark. I find it more realistic and hopeful. It's a reality of our heroes - they're not perfect, they often have sinful pasts which they cannot escape, and they are mortal. They're only immmortal in the hearts and memories of those who remember them, of those who are inspired by them.

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Excellent movie, just recently watched it.

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Actually he wasn't diagnosed with cancer until 1979. When The Shootist was filmed in 1976 he had been cancer-free for twelve years.

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Ominous? Maybe not so much. Dark, perhaps? But, it does deal with mortality. "In youth we learn, in age we understand." Maybe eventually, we accept and it has less power over us?

Part of what makes this film great is that it's an honest look, both flattering and not so, at a character who learns he's reached the end of his run portrayed by an actor, a man, who was also facing his own mortality. While he may not yet have been aware of his final cancer, he had previously lost a lung to it, had a recent bout with pneumonia with only one lung, and possessed a damaged heart valve all of which must have contributed to his general condition and mindset. I believe much of the man behind the character shined through here as it did in most of his films. You can say what you want of him as an actor(though Rooster Cogburn should convince anyone of his ability to portray a character), but plainly and simply put, it's telling that most people went to theaters to see "the new John Wayne movie", not just the latest western. It didn't necessarily matter EXACTLY what one of his movies was about, it was always comfort food for the mind and soul and likely a dose of old fashioned American ideals, and we identified John Wayne with it -still do. To most men John Wayne represents an heroic ideal, a sense of decency, an unwavering faith in doing the right thing that we all aspire to, a rightness, even a modern day mythos. For those that still refuse to get it, he and his characters represent the man that we want to be even when circumstances may prevent it. For many of us, while our mothers taught us these and other things, John Wayne, as well as the examples of fathers, uncles, big brothers, etc., also taught us what it was to be a man and do the right things -and that we must live with those decisions.

Now, if you want to really get into it, this was a movie about a character wanting to exert control over his passing as he had tried to over his life -he wanted to control how he went out. I'm not sure it was Wayne's intention, but the character doesn't go out exactly as he'd planned at the hands of others. It's also about redemption, in that through his passing through, and his passing and Ron Howard's character's hand in it, he prevents another young man from traveling the path he had.

Perhaps, John Wayne was far more than many of us realize, or credit him for, and fully felt and understood his own mortality, the overall futility of the illusion of control, and more importantly realized that perhaps our own redemption is in part through what we leave behind with and within others. I'd like to think the icon had one last lesson to teach us about what it is to be a man, ultimately at the mercy of fate, or God -as you would have it.

For the inevitable naysayers or those who may feel left out of my view of this, I'm not a misogynist, but I haven't had the pleasure of being a woman, so naturally my views are colored as are those of the fairer[certainly lovelier, but fairer? Best left to a case by case basis... -that was ONLY in the way of good natured ribbing. ;)] sex in their own bent and ways. Accept my humble apology for my lack, for I am but a man -though I do aspire to be a better one.

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Seeing as Wayne actually got a toxic dose in the early fifties on the set of the Undefeated which used radioactive dirt from a nuclear bomb test site, then he was killed making a movie. Very sad. I knew the son of a doctor hired by Wayne at the time, the doctor refused to operate on Wayne.


This theory has been going around for a very long time. The MYTHBUSTERS television series tested a costume that was used in that film and there was no residual radiation, which would have remained had there been any effect on the actors from the film.

That myth was completely busted. The half-life of that radiation would have been 2700 years if the site were contaminated. It wasn't that the 'radioactive dirt' was used, it was that the film was shot where the nuclear tests had occurred.

No, the film didn't cause Mr Wayne's cancer. Smoking 2-3 packs of Camel cigarettes per day is what did him in. That's what killed my father, too. Tobacco is deadly enough on its own. Radiation isn't necessary to kill people when they're foolish enough to smoke cigarettes.

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The MYTHBUSTERS television series tested a costume that was used in that film and there was no residual radiation, which would have remained had there been any effect on the actors from the film.


So, the actors' bodies could not have been affected by the radiation unless the costumes also were? I'd like to know whether cancer experts would agree with that. It sounds like a pretty big assumption, and I also wouldn't assume that a "myth was completely busted" just because a 'Mythbusters' TV show, after doing a particular test and then interpreting the meaning of the test as they chose to, claimed that it was busted.

Radiation isn't necessary to kill people when they're foolish enough to smoke cigarettes.


No, but it could have contributed. We'll never really know for sure.

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His last wife, Pilar, wrote that she was skeptical of the whole thing. She pointed out that she had visited the set of that movie many times while it was being made and she didn't get cancer. She said the cancer that the top stars of the movie got were more likely the result of smoking. All them were heavy smokers.

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you could accurately say there was a certain amount of foreshadowing of John Wayne's personal life in the movie.however,as the above post says,the relapse of cancer wasn't discovered until a couple of years later.so he couldn't have known it would be his last film(although it turned out to be).regardless,it's still one of my favorites(along with The Searchers and McLintock)and displays some of his best acting,as did many of his later movies(even though some weren't very good).

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Contrary to popular myth, Wayne was not "dying of cancer" at the time he made this film. Many years before, he had had surgery to remove a cancerous lung and several ribs. Although not in the greatest of health, he was cancer free at the time he made The Shootist. A couple of years after making this film, however, he had a renewed bout with cancer that proved fatal.

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Wayne never consciously intended this to be his last film. He was up for roles in "The Frisco Kid" (the studio wouldn't pay his salary), "1941" (He didn't think the armed forces should be made fun of, and by that time I question whether he had the health to complete his role anyway), and wanted to do "Beau John", which would've cast him as the patriarch of a Kentucky family and reteamed him with Ron Howard, who he liked. But he did intend "The Shootist" to be his dialogue with death, and a way of facing up to his own mortality.

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This film is great. I get sad thinking that John Wayne died before I was even born.

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