The Ending


Did Jack die at the end? If so, how?

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He was shot by the black guerilla

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But why? I thought the black guerilla was on his side.

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He didn't deliver the guns and he still had the money they gave him. Also, with the Police on Locke's tail, they must have suspected that he was an informer.

It's a truly great film - one of the best of the Seventies. It is rarely mentioned among Nicholson's best performances, yet it is an amazing performance, beautifully underplayed. The beautiful locations suit the material perfectly and the film is exquistely shot.

Of all the films that I wish were on DVD, this is number one. I have a DVD-r that was made from the letterboxed Japanese Laserdisc that has Japanese subtitles, but it really needs a new anamorphic transfer and supplementary material.



"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

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It's worth mentioning - since so many don't seem to get it - that the purpose of the learner driving around is intended to make the gunshot ambiguous. The audience and the people in the courtyard might be inclined to think that the gunshot was actually the car backfiring. It's only later that it is confirmed that the noise was actually a fatal gunshot.

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That's funny... I never even heard the gunshot... I thought he was strangled or stabbed or had his neck broken. I mean, it doesn't really matter... but still... great scene.

Also, I had a different view of the guys who kill him. I thought they were gov't thugs (probably working for that politician we see Nicholson film earlier and the one Nicholson's wife meets with) to snuff out the gun dealers or whatever. My other reasons for sensing this is because of the sequence where the two guys Nicholson meets with in the church get jumped at that cafe by the same goons that apparently kill Nicholson at the end; we then see them beat the piss out of one guy at a holding cell of some sort-- hinting again at gov't involvement. The fact that the cops show up right after the murder at the end is irrelevant-- the cops are following orders by Nicholson's wife to protect him, not knowing that they are leading her to a gun smuggler who their gov't is trying to rub out.

But, of course, I certainly could've missed something in there.

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I agree entirely: have just watched the final scene after reading it, and all the actions of every character in the scene become clear. Heard the sound and it has place in a sound sequence after we hear someone entering and approaching, after the - bang! - we hear a man closing a door then the car drives to the hotel to pick him. Also, the other fella heard a shot (the driver) and reacted.
So, congratulations to agentjuan! =)

Only... it is possible that it wasn't Jack who was killed.... ;)

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Totally agree. Almost everyone here seems to be confident about the shot. I'm not. The real arms dealer wasn't shot neither, I feel. The 'heart attack' was indicated, but also implicitly stated by him, since he was talking about his weak heart to Nicholson earlier. Seeing him lying on the bed, no wounds, no broken neck visible. So a natural death is fully on the cards.
The amazing stuff to me, was how the situation became one of 'like beginning like end', with similar rooms, similar doors, similar toilets, similar dust outside, and most of all, the position of the - definitively - living Nicholson on the bed, wearing similar clothes. And even gradually taking a position like the one in which he found the arms dealer.
To me that's the most exciting part about the end. But maybe it is only me, and my fantasy.?

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Sorry, I am too lazy to read all comments, but many users have really misunderstood important things.

To clarify things we must have terms we all understand. There are two teams, and both of them consist of one black and one white man. There is the church-team, so called by me because the meet David in the church, and pay him money. They belong to the guerrillas.

Then there is the citroën-team, so called because they drive a citroën car. The belong to the dictatorial government.

The first time we see the citroën-couple is an a restaurant yard in München. The church-couple is sitting together at a table and it evidently doing some work involving papers. The citroen-couple does not sit together, but they have eye contact. They send for the four gangsters who kidnap the black man of the church-couple. As far as I could see they did not kidnap the white man of the church-couple. (The reason might be that kidnapping a German citizen could mean much trouble for the African state.)

The white man of the citroen-couple tortures the kidnapped black man of the church-couple. We can take for granted that they murder him.

The citroen-couple are the ones who murders the real David Locke. And they do so because Rachel Locke went to the embassy of the dictator state and told them this following thing (of course phrased in quite different words):

"You murdered the wrong man. You intended to murder David Robertson, but you really murdered David Locke. You have lost every trace of David Robertson, but I can tell you that David Robertson was living at Hotel Oriente in Barcelona three days ago. I am searching for David Robertson, and I have a lot of information that could lead to him. So you need just catch hold of my tail, then I shall lead you to him, so that you can murder him."

And this is exactly what they do.

But Rachel Locke is not just a naive person. She is disgusting. Note, in another scene when David Locke in her presence interviewed the president of the dictatorship state, RACHEL was the one who reproached David for not having told the president that he was a liar. There is a photo of this president on the wall of the embassy when Rachel is telling the embassador how he must proceed to murder David Robertson.

It is by no means true that the guerrillas murders the real David Locke. We are told nothing about WHERE the weapons are to be delivered, so WE/THE SPECTATORS cannot know whether the weapons did not arrive. We cannot know if the guerrillas had enough resources to revenge a swindle. And the black man of the church-couple was murdered. How much did the white man know?

Anyway, the time interval of the movie from David Robertson's death to David Locke's death is so short, that the guerrillas can hardly have learned that they paid the money to the wrong man.

But the goverment had completely lost every trace of Robertson, and could only by a miraculous coincidence have found him without Rachel's help.

Note that a minute after Rachel's visit to the police station, the citroen-couple arrives and waits.

We could speculate why the Spanish police so completely submit to Rachel's ideas. One sufficient explanation would be that it could be very unpleasant to have a conflict with a large British TV enterprise.

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scharnbergmax-se

I believed to got it! The only think I couldn't concur with you was the sound of the gun shot. I watched the movie three times, and I did not hear anything. But again, if it was muffled with door closing, it could be I did not hear.

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It is by no means true that the guerrillas murders the real David Locke. We are told nothing about WHERE the weapons are to be delivered, so WE/THE SPECTATORS cannot know whether the weapons did not arrive. We cannot know if the guerrillas had enough resources to revenge a swindle. And the black man of the church-couple was murdered. How much did the white man know?


Further evidence for this is that all of the contacts in Robertson's journal after the original meeting fall through. We saw him attempt at least one, but in conversation it alludes to at least two attempts if I recall correctly, as he speaks in the plural. So we can deduce from that the the network getting the guns out was broken, most likely when the church pair was taken down. Either they were the contacts and the German fled to escape detection, or they were to inform the second contacts of Robertson's meeting, and never did, so the chain would have assumed Robertson failed to get the guns and dismantled the operation.

So I agree, it is very implausible that the liberation front was behind the murder. They at that point probably had Robertson (and his first contacts) scratched off of the list and were working to establish a new network.

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This is incorrect. You're right about the movie being brilliant and so on, I think it's one of the best films of all time, but the guys he's selling guns to don't kill him. Rather, the agents we see kidnap and assault one of his contacts (one of the ones he meets in the church in Munich) kill him. The black assassin can be seen at various points throughout the film.

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The man who kills him isn't the black guerilla...he's a different guy, seen throughout the movie travelling with the sideburned martial arts expert. Both of them, I assumed, worked for the government in opposition to the guerillas.

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I walked away from the film with a different interpretation of the ending:

I never heard a gun shot during the final scene, but I did notice one thing: We never see Jack's face when his wife and the police find the dead body. We just hear his wife say she never knew that man.

Now, surely, if he was her husband and she had just watched a number of his interviews after his death, she would no doubt recognize the man as her husband. I think that Locke pulled it again, and switched identities once more. With who? That's irrevelant, considering how he learned that he could never escape himself.

I think the girl that joined him as Robinson knew he would do this, so she played along. Weren't they supposed to originally meet somewhere anyway a few days from then?

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Fascinating - I love this interpretation.
Thanks.

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I totally agree with Kurtz9791.

Jack's (ex?) wife indeed says she does not recognise the man lying dead in the bed and the man we see entering the learner driver car is wearing the same dark coloured top (this is all a lot clearer in the beautiful new DVD print) David Locke/Robertson was wearing before the camera slowly pans toward the people in the square (one of the best shots of seventies cinema surely) so how can so many viewers conclude the dead man is Nicholson's character? As Kurtz states the only question is who has Locke switched characters with this time...

How about Steven Berkoff's character?

Could this be the man Nicholson's character switches with?

Many of Berkoff's scenes were cut. In his one and only scene Berkoff is seen wearing similar clothing and looking strangley similar to Nicholson's character.

This one scene clearly shows Berkoff's jealousy that his current woman - Nicholson's wife - is obsessed with finding Locke/Robertson?

Could Berkoff have followed his woman in search of Locke and a fight broken out between them?

Share your views please and I would like to think Locke got away in the end.

Great film, beautiful to look at, totally absorbing.

Does anyone know of a longer version?

New DVD runs at 113 minutes despite the actual disc saying it runs 120 minutes.

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well, yeah, he would just go around switching identities every now and then. it's so easy.

Besides that it's pretty impossible to pull this off again and that everything else speaks for him getting killed by the regime thugs, it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't do that egain even if he had the possiblity. In the end, he is just disillusioned about the world and he gains his freedom by dying. See how the camera goes out of the room, through the window, through the grating? That's him leaving the prison of life.

When his wife says "I never knew him", that doesn't mean that she never knew him, it means that she never really knew him, that she never saw him how he really was.

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Kurtz 9791

Very interesting alternative ending! Just to add a thought: When Jack met the Girl at the Gaudi's home, during their conversation she said "I don't recognize you" and at the end she says "Yes I know him".

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This.... I like this one a lot. I was thinking maybe we had the tables turned on us, and in reality Locke hadn't taken Robertson's identity, but the opposite, and Antonioni is asking us with the ending if it made any difference which man died and which became the runaway. But I think you're right. In fact your conclusion is along the same lines as L'avventura's ending.

Having an opinion can save your life. Just ask Marvin.

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I saw film tonight in a theater in DC and noticed something in the last long scene that I had not seen in earlier viewings, including when the film was first released in '75 and 2 or 3 times when I saw in on video in '98.
In a shot with the point of view in the bedroom, looking out the open window, if you look at the right side of the screen, you will see the window frame with glass pulled into the bedroom like a door. This is in medium shadow. There is an even darker shadow/reflection on the glass on that frame and if you focus on this you can see it is the reflection of the assassin. You can see the reflection, which is standing quite still, slowly reach into the inside pocket of a sport coat, crossing left hand to inside of the right breast of the sport coat. At the point where the hand pauses, where the gun is, the camera pans away. This black man, who got out of the fancy car, is the same seen once or twice earlier (e.g., hanging out at sidewalk cafe) engaged in shadowing Locke's/Jack's wife. We hear the gunshot a few seconds later, covered up by the backfiring of a second car.
It is likely, for those like me who may have seen this on video/VHS, that this side of the screen was cut off of the tape (due to 4:3 aspect ratio); OR that due to the lower visual quality of VHS compared to film that it was there but couldn't physically be seen as the shadow muddied together.
The last line of dialogue is intriguing. On seeing the body, Mrs. Locke says words to the effect (can't remember exactly), I don't know him. She seems to be letting Jack be misidentified as Robertson. She is being pragmatic and/or something more psychological (this is, afterall, an Antonioni film...)
I enjoyed this latest viewing far more than I expected to. This film really grabbed me. In my view, it is the most linear and accessible film Antonioni ever made, even ahead of Blow-up. (Haven't seen his documentary made in China during Cultural Revolution however...)
REGARDS ... TOMSCRATCH

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Perhaps it is Antonioni's reference to the scene in Blowup where David Hemmings finds the image of a gun in the final photo blow-up.

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Thank you VERY much for pointing out the reflection on the glass window pane. While reading your post I realized that I had seen it but not registered it within my awareness, as if it had been projected onto a subliminal area of my perception.

I went back to the video and confirmed what you pointed out. This caused me to ponder on two more additional levels:
o- The sheer BRILLIANCE of Antonioni!
o- The possibility that the movements of the assassin reflected in the window depict NOT a murder but an even hazy dubious ending to the movie. The car carrying the assassin exhibits the kind of movements we would expect: a quick entry and an quick exit. But the assassin within the room is very slow. As if doubting. As if unsure of what to do, as if just "going through the motions". He was not just just slow in order to sneak up on the victim, but slow as if doubting what he was supposed to do. We don't see any moral hesitation, but one related to context and logistics of the mission: is it possible he found the target already dead?

Thank you!
Petros
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I saw the movie for the first time a few weeks ago, and I kind of had another take on the ending.

Right before Nicholson's character dies, he's laying in bed talking to "the girl" about a blind person who finally got his eyesight back and sees nothing but ugliness. I thought this was his way of saying he was really unhappy with the world he had to live in (kind of obvious I guess).

Keep in mind that Nicholson had lived as the reporter and the arms dealer. I think he wasn't happy as the reporter, and when he couldn't find happiness as an arms dealer, he just couldn't go on.

This is just my speculation, and I thought it up before I read all the other posts...I didn't hear the gunshot when I saw the movie.

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I believe Locke was killed by the agents of the government which executed the rebel leader Robertson had an appointment with. He was captured after the meeting and it is his execution we see in the movie. When Locke's wife showed up in the embasy to collect his things, they started to trail her to get to Robertson. The agents got to Locke just ahead of her. He was not shot, though. What some mistook for the gun shot is a sound which you hear twice, one when the asassin comes in and shuts the door, and again when he leaves. It was quite clear in the original european theater release copy in 1975.

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Ok, this may be far fetched but hear me out. Maybe he died of a heart attack, the same way the real Robertson died in the beginning of the film. Both men were found lifeless in their hotel rooms alone. When the guerilla came into the hotel room he found Robertson(Locke) already dead so they left. As far as I can tell though there is no concrete explanation to the ending which is part of the beauty of the film.

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Grandroyal350,

I think your suggestion has a lovely parallelism to it and, at least metaphorically, you are correct. Locke, essentially, does have a "bad heart." He is lost, has no passion for his job as media stooge, and his marriage has soured.

In just the same way, it is interesting that the gunrunner has a bad heart too. But why is the gunrunner's heart bad? Because of his weltschmerz or because he is doing bad deeds (I don't mean to suggest Antonioni thinks rebel gunrunning is a bad idea, far from it, in interviews he quite endorsed it), but rather that gunrunning always suggests a triadic relationship: gunrunner to rebel, but also gunrunner to gun seller. Where, in fact, does Robertson get his guns? A. pretty much spells out where Robertson gets the guns--Europe. And, no doubt, from (quasi) government sources. It would be the height of naivete to think that govt. intelligence wouldn't know about a fellow like Robertson. The history of postcolonial rebellions usually pits former African colonies' leaders, like the putative Chad in the Passenger, with a variety of Western countries jockeying for influence.

As in the other Passenger thread here, I explain that Maria Schneider is Mrs. Robertson, sold out Locke to the African authorities for usurping her (ex?) husband's pivotal go-between role and perhaps herself was related to the original Mr. Robertson's activities. (If, in fact she is the girl walking down the one-way street in Munich, she could have given the Chadian authorities the whereabouts of the Barcelona meeting where they kidnap the guerilla leader Achebe).

Despite the contracted length of the Passenger, hacked from 4 hours to 2.5 and then the current length, and the contingencies of filming (Wollen the co-screenwriter says Schneider should have been the driver and Locke the passenger, but she couldn't drive), and the mysteriousness of A.'s filming technnique, he does in fact let you figure out some things in the film. Partly, I'd guess, because he is less interested in the political side of the film, though he is somewhat interested in that, than he is in the general question of Locke's personal journey.

As the poster above in this thread points out, the government agent reaches into his pocket and shoots Locke while the training car covers up the shots. Schneider is shown conversing with the Spanish/Caucasian government agent, proving she knew them before the set-up.

I would concur then that Locke ultimately died of a bad heart, but one distinctly different than Robertson the original: rather than being a rootless cynic, he died knowingly as an embittered sacrifice.







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Well, just to add my 2000 Lire to the thread. I saw this film yesterday, Easter Sunday. Clearly his personal journey is an allegory for spritual transcendance. It was ripe with Christian metaphors: Rue de la Inglesia, Hotel de la Gloria to name a few not to mention Cathedrals and cathredral-like architecture. It is true someone was killed by a gunshot in that room (I heard the shot not a backfire) but who it is clearly not defined. During that final breath-taking scene you can feel his spirit leave his body (caged window) float around and return again. When Rachel saw the body you'd think she would have said "This is my husband I've been looking for" if it was him. I think it was someone else altogether who as noted earlier in the thread, Locke switched with. Maria's ID just closes the case. Maybe she set him up or maybe the two of them eloped. Another thing is as the car pulls away, the two headlights are reflected in the sky and then remain there as spirits hovering. I doubt that was just a lens glare. Nice point about the editing and the fact that Jack was always driving since we assume he is The Passenger. Thanks for listening.

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Two words about Locke's death
I've seen this movie this morning, but it is only now I remember a detail.. Do you remember Locke had a gun in his luggage? A gun that the girl (Maria Schneider) wanted to look at, but Locke prevented her from doing so. So... could it be a suicide? His first death was staged by himself, it was a death for the other people, but he was depossesed from his death: people talking about him on TV, his wife wanting to make a portrait of him with his interviews.. I think that his real death, the second one, is really his, this time he dies for himself, he wants to control his death: could it be a suicide? with his gun?

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Having spent the last month in Spain, I can tell you that almost all the streets have some New Testament reference and that you are never more than a few hundred yards from a church or cathedral in the towns.

Nice interpretation though.

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This is an interesting thread. I first saw The Passenger at its premiere at the Cannes Film Festival in 1975; then I watched it again last evening (April 21), just shy of exactly 31 years from my initial viewing. It's uncanny how much of the film -- images, scenes and beats -- remained as crystal clear as Antonioni's blue skies.

Many of the questions and insights here are amazingly similar to the discussions I had with fellow critics way back in 1975. Just for the hell of it, here are some of my notes from the original screening. As they are notes, they do not flow as a polished review would do -- but they are revealing none the less.

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Nicholson/Locke is a passenger in his own life; an observer, not a driving force. As a reporter, he is the quintessential observer. Beyond the frustration he elicts when his jeep is mired in the desert in the opening reels, the one time he seems the most truly startled/emotionally distressed is when the rebel leader he is interviewing turns the camera on him, saying "now you can ask me all the same questions again." Locke is incapable of telling the truth; of showing the world (or the mirror) who he is.

Locke's journey is one toward assisted suicide -- assisted, because as a "passenger" -- he is incapable of pulling the trigger himself. A spiritually dead man takes the identity of a physically dead man (Robertson) in an effort to start the machinery of his own death. Albee's Zoo Story.

In the final reel, as a cue for the story about the blind man who killed himself after regaining his sight, Maria S. runs her fingers over Locke's eyelids exactly the way someone would shut the eyes of dead man. Unlike the blind man of the story, Locke (as noted) is incapable of such an act; he is only capable of helping to set the machinery in motion (which he has done by assuming Robertson's identity.)

The Girl: Maria S. does not have a name in the film. She is credited as The Girl. Although she may be Daisy and although she is definitely involved in Locke's death (see below), in a mythological sense she functions more like Charon -- the boatman who steers the dead across the River of Styx. She is Locke's guide toward the underworld: Hence, Locke's repeated question: "what the *beep* are you doing with me?" -- a question that is by turns both self-pitying and accusatory (ie. 'what do you really want with me?')

The Girl appears in London (sitting and reading on screen left) when Locke re-emerges in London as the dead man Robertson; she appears a reel later (sitting and reading) in exactly the same position when Locke arrives in Barcelona. Is she working with the white and black agents. Evidently. What ultimately matters though is that she remains nameless and -- in filmic terms -- linked to Locke. She is an avatar. She is his death wish.

PRELUDE TO THE LONG TRACKING SHOT: After the story of the blind man, Locke says to Maria S. "You'd better go." She agrees; we see her toss some clothing into a case in the bathroom, but the point of the shot is to show her sit down, ball her fists and hang her head in dispair over her iminent betrayal. In a film drenched in Christian imagery, she is Locke's Judas.

And although she says she'll "go", she does no such thing. Instead, she wanders outside to wait in Antonioni's 'corrida' (we hear the bull fight trumpet)to rendezvous with the agents.

LONG TRACKING SHOT: Just before the shot begins, we see Locke via an overhead angle lying in bed. His sunglasses are beside him. (The blind man has shed his protection; exposed his wounded eyes and soul to the world.)

As the camera begins its move toward the caged window, we see Locke's feet pointing upright as he is lying on his back. As the shot progresses, we see Locke's feet flip as he rolls over on to his stomach -- literally assuming the face down position of Robertson's body on the bed. Point: from this moment on, Locke is dead. The film's tentative plotline has come full circle (much like Antonioni's camera will do over the next seven or so minutes.)

As the camera proceeds toward the window, Maria S.(outside in the corrida)reenters the frame from screen right to interact with the white agent -- and as she does, the camera makes a slight revelatory pan to the right to show the reflection of the black agent in the glass. My sense is that many viewers will miss this as they will watch the Girl and the agent instead. The deliberateness of Antonioni's camera move, however, indicates that we should watch the agent... or at least attempt to watch the split scene as one action as the simultaneity proves Maria's involvement in Locke's death.

Whether or not the agent shoots Locke is ultimately up in the air. Yes, it sounds like a gunshot... but when Locke is discovered he is once again on his back. My sense is that rather than shooting him, the agent rolled him over, saw that he was already dead (like Robertson)and simply left the room.

Wife's Remarks: the police inspector asks Jenny Runacre: "Do you recognize him?" She replies: "I never knew him." The inspector asks her again: "Do you recognize him?" Now she replies: "Yes." This is Blow-up all over again... the first answer is metaphysical/spiritual -- she married him, lived with him, but "never knew him" -- the story of many marriages. The second answer is literal: "Yes" I recognize him; he's my husband (for what it's worth.)

One thing that entered our discussion back in 1975 was the final shot of the Nick Roeg-Donald Cammel film Performance -- a Borges inspired film about identity that is still today ahead of its time (and a film that strongly suggests that Nic Roeg was the real force behind Petulia -- not Richard Lester.) Although the subject matter couldn't be more different, Performance and Blow-Up have a lot in common.

Another good reference point for The Passenger is Mark Peploe's (the screenwriter)film Afraid of the Dark. It's a terrific film about cinema as voyeurism and the art of seeing. It's 20 years or so after Passenger, but relevant

So -- for the most part -- minus a few present day insights and an attempt to structure the notes to address a number of the questions evoked on this thread -- the above is straight from 1975. Hope some of this will help fuel the discussion.

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I think you nailed it.

Nice job.

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Hats off to Shabeen for all his insights. It's quite possible that Maria S's character is a "Judas" but I don't like this interpretation. I'd like to think that she is young and just as naive as Locke about what he's gotten himself in to. Earlier in the film she does try to leave him on her own and he goes after her. Was that just part of her set-up? No, I don't think so. (What if he just let her go?) She comes back to him, and then later gets the motel room for him because, maybe, she's interested in him and possibly wants to protect him. I don't think she's "in love" with him, but there's something there she's attracted to.

When the assassins arrive, I got the impression that she DIDN'T know them by the way that she flinched away when the man outside drew her aside. As far as her Judas-like breakdown before she leaves, I just took that to mean she knew she would never see him again. I think she knows he's going to die; I just don't think she had anything to do with it. Remember also that Locke told HER to leave the room.

Another thing: When Locke approaches her for the first time to drive his car, the Judas/set-up theory gets weak. Did she simply place her pretty little self within his eyeshot and expect him to approach her so she could put her plan into motion? This seems farfetched to say the least.

The whole issue is fascinating. I guess I think conspiracy theories are all the rage in movies, as they are in real life, and so my first reaction to the "girl-as-bad-guy" theory was skepticism. Also because I liked her, as Locke did, the whole time. But maybe she fooled me too! :)

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Locke didn't shoot himself (or the assassin, as has been suggested). He had a gun but had arrived at the hotel without any luggage. It is still ambiguous whether he was shot by the assassin or was already dead.

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I'll buy it all--Except--in the last scene when Locke is on the bed--He IS IN A RED SHIRT--when they find "Robertson," dead, he is a dark shirt. Why a new shirt, why didn't they show his face?

Also:
Wife's Remarks: the police inspector asks Jenny Runacre: "Do you recognize him?" She replies: "I never knew him." The inspector asks her again--WAS ACTUALLY ASKED OF/AND ANSWERED by THE GIRL-not the wife-: "Do you recognize him?" Now she replies: "Yes." This is Blow-up all over again... the first answer is metaphysical/spiritual -- she married him, lived with him, but "never knew him" -- the story of many marriages. The second answer is literal: "Yes" I recognize him; he's my husband (for what it's worth.)
That's all I got.
great stuff,
thanks,

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I just saw this on dvd...unfortunately had to see it in stops and starts. Your review/notes are right on and helpful. I hope to see it again.

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The inspector asks her again--WAS ACTUALLY ASKED OF/AND ANSWERED by THE GIRL-not the wife-: "Do you recognize him?" Now she replies: "Yes." This is Blow-up all over again... the first answer is metaphysical/spiritual -- she married him, lived with him, but "never knew him" -- the story of many marriages. The second answer is literal: "Yes" I recognize him; he's my husband (for what it's worth.)


Yeah, that's what i thought. The girl didn't know him either, but at least "understood" his alienation during those last days with him better than his wife could have. It's probably unheeded by most that she was as equally forlorn as him - perhaps more so. I thought she was the more tragic and stoical character, but Antonioni chose to privelige the more articulate Locke in the frame more often to engage our interest in his story as a counterpoint to his trademark quieter, detached compositions.

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After reading a LOT of posts, I've been going back and forth on the ending on the DVD. I do not see the reflection of the agent in the window right of screen. Doesn't mean it isn't there (wasn't -- perhaps in a different format), I just don't see it. Re: the double 'I don't recognize him' -- the second time the question is asked of and answered by The Girl. I'll be thinking about this one for weeks. Great film!

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The policeman asks Jacks wife if she knows him, if she recognizes him, or if he is her husband? What are the exact words?
I think that what is the meaning of the question is:

- do you recognize him (policeman means is this man mr Robertson? since they search for me Robertson)
- Wife's answer: No i dont recognize or i never knew him. That means that i dont recognize this man as mr Robertson because i never knew me Robertson - that is true.
- I dont remenber the Q/A to the girl, but if you consider the above - the typical answer of the policeman and the typical or real answer of the women i think that makes sense.
Sorry i cannot see that once more to give a more complete answer.

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it isn't the wife who answers the question the second time. Definitely - the voice is the one of Maria.

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The caucasian assassin engaged Schnieder's character in conversation and led her to the left of the screen so she would be distracted and not hear or see the assassination of Locke/Robertson. Immediately after the shot, he stops talking to Schnieder and walks away.

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Firstly the chacters name is David Locke not Jack
This film is such a great film and its lost on you idiots

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I also thought this was the case as well, though i didn't notice the reflection in the copy i watched. I also think the film primes one for Locke's suicide, the tale of the blind man, the last long shot that seems (with the window bars) to suggest the prison that one's self can be, despite names and occupations- he is the eternal reporter, a cold observer, the passenger. I would vote for Locke's suicide, but this is also indicative of my preference toward seeing the film's focus be a conflict of identity rather than a wrapped up suspense plot, involving blackmail and the works.

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SPOILER!

The cast list shows Jean-Baptiste Tiemele as:- Murderer.

That tends to suggest that he killed Jack. I don't recall anyone else murdered in the movie. The photo of him from Google Images also looks like the guy who entered Jack's room at the end.

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WOW! I started this thread a looong time ago, but since noone responded in the first couple months, I forgot about it. I guess the ending generally IS as ambiguous as I had thought. A well directed, beautifully photographed film that truly wanted to leave the film's ending to be left to the imagination of the viewer!

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Very nice thread about the ending.
I saw it last night, and two things jumped out:

1. the Girl did not know the thug who spoke to her in the last long shot: Turning up the volume I heard him ask her :"Vous parlez Francais? (You speak French?). He would not ask that if he knew her. It seems he was trying to busy her with conversation and get her away from the "caged" window, in case she saw the murder inside.

2. I turned on the Commentary by Jack Nicholson, and when the "door opens, bang!, door closes" noises were heard, Jack said "Was that a gunshot?"

So to me that seemed like he was was telling the viewer the truth.

And, thanks to this thread, I did "shrink" and "zoom" and was able to see the African thug reflected in the glass pane on the right of the screen. Doing frame-by-frame, after many frames where he is standing still, his arm appears, raised the way it would be if he were holding a gun.

What I don't understand and I'd appreciate any answers, is why Jack Nicholson did not board the bus with the girl, that could take them to a boat for Algiers.

Is it because he knew he would always have to be afraid, to look over his shoulder, so he decided it was better to let them kill him, and get it over with?

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Just saw the DVD with Nicholson commentating. While all the theories presented in this thread are interesting, Jack makes it clear what happened to Locke.
He mentions "was that a gunshot"?, when the Black thug makes the sound of entering the hotel. And no there is no Judas theory this time with Maria Schneider.

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