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Comparing the Mitchum Marlowes: Farewell My Lovely (1975) and The Big Sleep(1978)


The 70s were famously a time of new, youthful, gritty and radical American films, sometimes with an "indie feel"(Five Easy Pieces) sometimes with big budget production values(The Exorcist, Jaws.) There were more bonafide classics than you could keep up with(The Godfathers, The Sting, Network) -- a lot of good films.

But there were "programmers," too. Movies made with competance but no real ambition for the box office or the critics. They were made to make a little money, get everybody paid, and then go to television. Usually, the scripts were pushed to be good enough to avoid mockery in reviews, and inevitably, good actors were chosen to act in them because, well, Hollywood has a lot of those.

Robert Mitchum was in a good place in the 70's. He wasn't a superstar like Redford or Beatty or Newman or McQueen. He wasn't a new "prestige youth actor" like Nicholson or Pacino.

But he was a survivor of the Golden Age of Hollywood and unlike a number of those guys who got sent to TV shows permanently, he was still bankable for movies. He made a lot of movies in the 70's, often small scale(The Wrath of God, Young Billy Young) but sometimes "important"(Ryan's Daughter by David Lean.)

In being selected to play Philliip Marlowe for the 70;s, Mitchum was taking on a role most memorably played by Bogart in the 40s. But there was this: when Bogart was a star in the 40s and 50s...Robert Mitchum was, too.

So Mitchum's casting in Farewell My Lovely felt JUST RIGHT. He was older than he should have been, but he brought movie history along with him and was still both strong enough looking for some violence and sexy enough to attract women.

Its hard to know when a greenlight was given, but the producers of Farewell My Lovely seemed to be acting on the success of Chinatown in 1974 (both as box office and as a new classic) and Altman's The Long Goodbye(with Elliott Gould as Marlowe) in 1973. Altman's movie didn't do much box office, but got a LOT of ink -- positive reviews, a liking of the film's deconstruction of 40s noir, etc.

Farewell My Lovely (made before twice, once with Dick Powell) was set, like the novel it was taken from, in Los Angeles, and in the forties. Jump ahead: when the same producers elected to make a sequel of this and from perhaps the mostr famous Marlowe movie of them all -- The Big Sleep" -- they moves the story to 1978 and to LONDON. (Producer Sir Lew Grade seemed to want American stars in British films.)

Cut to the chase: 3 years after the more cheap-ish and grimy Farewell My Lovely, Mitchum actually looks YOUNGER in The Big Sleep. Lots of elements; very stylish 1970s suits and sport coats that make Mitchum look pretty trim; longish 70's hair that helps keep Mitchum more youthful looking than he did with a short hair cut in Farewell My Lovely. And bright, well-lit lighting that flatters Mitchum more than the murk of the Farewell My Lovely photography.

Which Mitchum Marlowe movie is better? Well, some would say "neither. Remaking The Big Sleep was sacrilige and even the Dick Powell Farewell My Lovely ("Murder My Sweet" ) is classic, if for nothing else than making a tough guy out of boyish crooner Dick Powell.(It took.)

But "Mitchum Marlowe to Mitchum Marlowe," the two movies do show checks and balances. I've had reason to watch them back to back on streaming recently so while they are still on my mind, here goes:

Music: FML has a rich, lush, blusey and sad credit theme by David Shire("The Taking of Pelham 123.") Its nostalgic: "you are there" in the late 40s. TBS has an edgy, modern, terse thriller score by Jerry Fielding, a preferred composer of Sam Peckinpah . Peckinpah reportedly browbeast the sentimentalixm out of Fielding's score for The Wild Bunch and TBS is nowhwere near as emotional and sad as the music fo FML, which gives FML some melancholy and a sense of loss. ADVANTAGE ON MUSIC: Farewell My Lovely.

Cast: FML evidently didn't have much in the budget for names after Mitchum. Only Charlotte Rampling really had a name; the rest of the cast are good, servicable character actors. John Ireland(who had worked in the 40s) evidently lobbied his way into the movie to save his career; he's fine as "the one uncorruptible cop in LA" and Marlowe's ally. The great Harry Dean Stanton(four years before Big Fame in Alien) is the corrupt cop who bugs both Mitchum and Ireland. (These three characters mimic Nicholson and two cops in Chinatown.) The little known actors playing the hulking Moose Malloy and the fat, sadistic Madam were great, visually and acting wise. And there's a VERY little known bit player in a couple of scenes named Sly Stallone...one year before everything changed (indeed he is billed BELOW Joe Spinell, who would be his support in Rocky.) Good players, but rather "small potatoes."

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TBS: This sequel picked up Sir Lew Grade as a producer, and he liked to package movies with names -- sometimes faded but always known. So TBS has Mitchum reporting to crippled old general James Stewart early in the film, and battlilng monstrous but charming big bad guy Richard Boone late in the film. (Stewart and Boone only have short cameos, which is exactly how they appeared in The Shootist with John Wayne two years before. We felt both actors "drifting away from us," no longer REALLY working. Boone died 3 years after making The Big Sleep; Stewart retired til his death in 1997 -- one day after Robert Mitchum died!) Being set in London, the movie had a lot of fine Brit actors in it: Sarah Miles and John Mills(both had appeared with Mitchum in Lean's Ryan's daughter); Joan Collins, Oliver Reed(a glowering casino-owner gangster), Edward Fox, plus oldies Richard Todd and James Donald. And Yank Candy Clark was on hand to play Stewart's craziest daughter in a performance that is either hated or loved(I loved it.) And beautiful nude too --they couldn't do that in the forties, Clark said she could only get the 1978 role if she agreed to the brief nudity. ADVANTAGE ON CAST: The Big Sleep.

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LOCATION: FML looked "cheaper" than TBS, but it WAS set in a Los Angeles reflecting the hard work of maintaining 1940s period accuracy, mixing (as did Chinatown and LA Confidential) REAL old houses and buildings in Los Angeles with some new 'aged" sets. Plus a nice climax on a gambling boat off the coast of LA. The Big Sleep made the most of its locales in London and nearby: a big mansion for Stewart and his crazy oversexed daughters to live in(complete with polite I-see-nothing butler Harry Andrews) , lots of well appointed houses and flats and rooms(wrote one critic: "it is as if the whole movie takes place in designer furniture showrooms.") A detour to a country village reminds of similar detours on the old British "Avengers" TV show(THAT title won't be remembered.) Marlowe actually looks quite at home in London given that cities' fictional reputation for gangsters, crime and sexy molls to keep up with NYC and Chicago (and Los Angeles back home.) Overall, The Big Sleep looks more slick and expensive than Farewell My Lovely -- but Farewell My Lovely wins for "real" period LA ambiance. ADVANTAGE: Farewell, My Lovely.

PLOT: All of Raymond Chandler's novels are reportedly confusing in the clues and solutions. The Bogart "Big Sleep" famously could never tell us who DID kill the chauffeur (the London version rules: suicide.) I found both movies confusing, but The Big Sleep was moreso. FML had some nice sad characters around the edges -- defeated fringe people whom Marlowe befriends, helps and protects. It also has a great through-line character in the oversized Moose Malloy who hires Marlowe to "find my Velma" and is just as ready to beat or kill Marlowe as to pay him -- though both men develop mutual respect and Marlowe tries to save Moose from the Ultimate Truth: If Velma CAN be found...she won't be happy.

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I also liked how Farewell My Lovely gave John Ireland's good cop some hard decisions to make about coming to the aid of Marlowe. In TBS, ohn Mills as a Scotland Yard man is Marlowe's pal but doesn't have to sacrifice for him. John Ireland does. For emotion, empathy and for being understandable, FML is better than TBS. ADVANTAGE FOR PLOT: Farewell My Lovely.

CINEMATOGRAPHY: FML was photographed by John Alonzo, coming one year after Chinatown. Chinatown looks better than FML(the budget? longer schedule?) but FML does capture that forties nostalgiz. The Big Sleep '78 was shot by Robert Paynter and looks expensive and sleek, with a color scheme of black, white, gray and metallic silver. It is sleeker by far than FML, but it creates a "James Bond world" that is rather fun to watch 'ol Phillip Marlowe move around in. Still, FML creates its world(of image AND music) in a more emotional nostalgic way. ADVANTAGE FOR CINEMATOGRAPHY: Farewell My Lovely.

DIRECTION: Hard to much tell things apart here. Dick Richards directed the American Farewell My Lovely; Michael Winner directed the British Big Sleep and...the work is competant. Winner directed perhaps too many Charles Bronson movies, but he also directed Marlon Brando. Still, none of it much seems to matter here. This is competant work in the service of the story and Mitchum and the other cast members. ADVANTAGE: No one. No, wait -- Sylvia Miles got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar nomination for Farewell My Lovely. We have to reward Dick Richards for that. ADVANTAGE: Farewell My Lovely.



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So that's that. The winner is : Farewell My Lovely. That said, NEITHER of these movies was much seen as a classic in its time by the critics, and neither or these films were box office winners.

Still, BOTH films got the sex and sleaze on screen that couldn't be done in the forties, so they were "necessary" in a certain way. Mitchum is great in both of them(Roger Ebert was his biggest fan in the 70s, doing awed interviews with the offbeat star on location and declaring that he would be as big as Bogart someday.)

I love both Mitchum's voice and the wry intelligence with which he uses that. After first meeting the crazy-sexy Candy Clark in The Big Sleep, Mitchum says to the house butler: "Whoooooo...was THAT?" (In real life, Mitchum nicely said: "I'm worried that because of my scenes turning down Candy Clark for sex people will think I'm a homosexual." Back in the day, they said things like that.)

And I was thoroughly entertained by both films. A good mystery, a great detective as our centerpiece, great supporting cast members both famous and not.

And even if I'm picking Farewell My Lovely as my winner doesn't mean I won't want to re-visit the "new" Big Sleep again some day. I mean any movie with Robert Mitchum AND James Stewart AND Richard Boone AND Sarah Miles AND Oliver Reed AND Candy Clark(with or without clothes) is...entertaining.

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