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Wouldn't the Earth be in peril with no Moon?


Wouldn't the Earth be in peril with no Moon?

I mean no more tides.

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The Earth's tides would be next to nothing and its orbit around the sun would become less uniform resulting in variations in the length of the seasons.
But the worse effect would be the act of the moon having been ripped out of orbit. The newscaster at the end of "Breakaway" mentioned that it triggered earthquakes, but the pull on the oceans would've flooded many shoreline cities and towns across the globe. And then there could've been unforeseen results such as the Earth being knocked several degrees off its axis which would've been devastating (mentioned as having happened to the future Earth on "Another Time, Another Place").

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No more werewolves either :(

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This is a very good point.

No one to fight vampires :)

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I saw a science special on what would really happen if we lost our moon.Cannot recall all of the repercussions but they were serious & severe.

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The only beneficial thing would be a lessening of earthquakes and volcanoes, as there would no longer be a moon to tug on the earth's crust as it revolved around it.
Eventually the ecosystem would get used to there being no moon but it would take thousands of years.

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You also have to take into account the effects of the moon being ripped out of orbit. That could cause more complications than simply there being no moon.

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The sun will still make tides roughly 50% as high as the ones we have now.

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Probably. I knew there was another influence besides the moon.

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Surfing just wouldn't be the same.

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I'm surfing right now, man! Lots of places to surf besides imdb!

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Lawrence Talbot would be happy.

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Of course.

Just the absence of the Moon, should it suddenly vanish, would not only nearly eliminate tides, but it would destabilize the rotation and axis of the Earth. It would "wobble", which would create all kinds of dramatic weather effects.

Of course, Fox news and the like would probably still be around denying there would be any climatic change at all 

But worse would be the Moon getting blasted out of orbit by a tremendous force would have gravitational effects the likes of which would be hard to predict. As the broadcast indicated, there were earthquakes after the loss of the Moon. It would get much, much worse.



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Strange how they never mentioned tidal waves, which there would certainly be plenty of. And with such a gravitational event, there could be other catastrophes, such as the complete restructuring of the techtonic plates. And on "Another Time, Another Place" a tilt of the Earth's axis could also result.

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They never really mentioned much of Earth, actually. I always wanted to see them intercept some sort of long-range broadcast showing how the Earth fared (even if it were an Earth centric episode).

Yes, "Another Time, Another Place" did touch on that, but it was a bit of a reality-bender and hard to take too seriously. I never did get just why the Moon traveled all that way through space just to re-enter Earth orbit, in either timeline. It was a little too much "god" oriented (for lack of any other force which accomplished this).

I might have liked to have seen the Moon come back to Earth at a much distant time in the future, though, where we saw the descendants of the Alphans and the culture they built there (long after Earth's native population perished as a result of the loss of the Moon), but that was never a story told. Sometimes I wonder if that was the original idea from one of the writers before TPTB decided it should feature the present day crew.



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I think probably the main idea for ATAP was always to have duplicates of the Alphans. It was strange that descendants of the Alphans never made contact with them on "Journey To Where". It wouldn't have made sense that the Texas City scientists would've kept the whole thing a secret. Of course, season two suffered from budget problems.

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I watched this as a kid in the 70s when it was first broadcast. I used to beg my parents to let me watch it even though they weren't interested. I got my way. So I was a genuine fan.

It's recently been repeated and I have to say, it's terrible. The models and practical effects are up to the usual Gerry Anderson standard, but everything else is pretty silly.

The premise of the moon being blown out of orbit doesn't hold up under any scrutiny. Worse though, our suspension of disbelief can't be sustained when we think about the speed the moon must be traveling at to get to new star systems on a weekly basis, yet the Eagles can easily travel to planets in those star systems while the moon remains close by. Are we meant to believe that Koenig has a gas pedal and brake that he can use to slow down, halt and then accelerate the moon to many times the speed of light? It's a horrible conceit.

I get a kitschy, nostalgic feeling when I watch it, but it's not science fiction, and it's not particularly good TV.

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The first season had more of an explanation - that they were being guided by an unseen benevolent force. Season two attributed it to the fact that they're within a galaxy where the stars are much closer together than our own.

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It's science fiction compared to if they rode dragons instead of using spaceships/rockets. But not very GOOD science fiction in the sense of their speed which I've commented on elsewhere too. And even having solar systems closer together wouldn't really help. If they were close enough together to not require YEARS to go from one to another at non-relativistic speeds, they would have messed each other up through gravitational forces. And too, they couldn't have been in that situation at the end, at least according to the later additional ending, since they apparently wound up back at Earth.

That said, I was around 12 at the time it came on, and even knowing it was ridiculous because of the speed issues etc, I still watched it the same as I would have watched early Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon serials if I'd been around for them. Because there were nice-looking spaceships. And a moonbase. And Zienia Merton was adorable. 😎

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I was thirteen and "Breakaway" blew me away. You couldn't tear me away after that. Even season two didn't drive me away. Those of us in the Boston area had the privilege of watching the first season in prime time. And if I missed one I'd wait til Saturday and watch it on a station from Providence, Rhode Island.
But even my enthusiasm couldn't cloud the fact that season two was inferior to the first, but I remained a fan. And I always found it interesting to run across people that preferred season two. To each his own.

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Conversely, what would happen to the Moon without the Earth to orbit around? It always struck me as odd that the usual laws of physics still applied as though the Moon were still orbiting the Earth. That is, even though the Moon was hurtling through space, gravity appeared to remain consistent and constant.

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WTF? The moon doesn't have gravity because of Earth.

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WTF? Re-read my post. I never said the Moon's gravity was because of the Earth. My point was: the gravity of the Moon as depicted on the show is always the same even though it is hurtling through space, travelling through black holes, or passing through other interstellar phenomenon. Understand?

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Gravity doesn't change because of speed. APPARENT "gravity" might be different because of CHANGES in speed, ACCELERATION or DECELERATION, such as when the Moon first blasts out of orbit in Breakaway and everyone is pinned to the floors.

But that's actually a different force, and once at speed - no matter what that speed IS - that effect is gone and only gravity due to mass remains.

Or, due to "artificial gravity" fields or whatever. Since the Moon's natural gravity is only 1/6th that of Earth.

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