Spoiled by Suchet


I watched this movie again, for the first time in years. I had remembered the movie fondly, but was quite disappointed in it this time around. Maybe I am spoiled by David Suchet's performance as Poirot, but I found Finney's Poirot to be unconvincing. It appeared to be more of a parody of Poirot than a performance.

I am not sure why he kept his head pulled down between his shoulder blades like a scared turtle, but it looked very affected. Poirot often gets excited in the books, but he does not bark out his lines, as Finney did throughout the first 2/3's of the movie. Looking like Charlie Chaplin didn't help any. Chaplin was quite well known during the time frame of the books, and I do not ever remember Poirot being described as looking like Chaplin.

Most of the cast acted more like they were on stage, rather than in a movie, very broad performances, with little nuance. I realize that Christie's novels are peopled with fairly stock characters, but this was ridiculous. I am rarely bothered by deviations from the book, and I thought that the movie followed the book quite well, with the small changes making little effect, but this is a story that involves an inordinate amount of focus on the cast, because of the claustrophobic environment, and I felt it was simply overdone.

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My reaction to Finney as Poirot is beautifully expressed by the poster who said he was doing a great job of playing "The Penguin" from Batman. Finney was hardly the proper age or physcial type to be playing Poirot nad was so heavily made up, (while he was sleeping, according to the IMDB!) that he was unconvincing as a human being, much less as Poirot.

And he played him as an irrascible grouch. David Suchet has pointed out that the must have had some charm to him or he would never have been able to get any information from anybody. Poirot likes people. He is fascinated by them, even if he is appalled by their actions at times. And he feels a committment to find justice in the world. Finney's Poirot is so obnoxious nobody would ever tell him anything. He played the role as a man irritated that he couldn't be somewhere else. That's not very heroic.

I will say that Suchet's Poirot in MOTOE is lacking his usual charm and comic eccentrities because he's troubled by having witnessed the stoning of the woman in Istanbul and the fact that he felt he had no right to do anything about it because he was in another culture and under another legal system. He's further troubled by the fact that our legal system failed to achieve justice and that these people felt compelled to seek justice on their own. Is there a justice beyond the law? Stressing that theme made this adaptaion far superior to the 1974 all-star epic, which just stressed the solution to a mystery.

You can also put me in the camp that Agatha Christie's preference for Finney is relevant in comparing Finney to previous Poirots but not to future ones that she never saw. My opinion may be wrong but it's the only one I've got.

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For all the Suchet lovers: he should be good at it by now. He's made a career of playing the same character. That's not meant with disrespect. Even though I personally find the TV Poirot boring, he must be doing something right to have such a loyal following.

I think comparing the TV Poirot with MOTOE film Poirot is comparing apples and oranges. If you are a fan of Suchet and you've been watching him for 20 years or however long, you are going to naturally prefer him. No one else will seem right in the part. If you watch the movie with Finney without having preconceived ideas about the character or who or what he's "supposed" to be like, you more than likely will see the brilliance of his performance. Lumet made a very version that stands on its own merit. It was a product of its time and the vision of its director.

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...and thought Finney was awful, uncomfortable in the role, grouchy and totally charmless, (although Suchet is hardly charming in the current version). I never thought he was a middle-aged detective. Finney was a hunk in those days. It would be like having Tom Cruise play Poirot now.

Watching Suchet all these years has had a greater impact on my view of Ustinov's perfromances as Poirot. I and everybody I talked to who saw both Murder on the Orient Express and Death on the Nile was so glad Ustinov had taken over the role because he was so much more natural in it that it allowed us to concentrate on the movie rather than being appalled by the lead performance. I found Ustinov more than acceptable in his subsequent performances.

Then I saw Suchet in the TV series and he totally blew Ustinov away. The idea that i couldn't imagine any other actor in the role occurred immediately, not 20 years hence.

Ironically, Suchet plays Japp to Ustinov's Poirot in "Thirteen at Dinner", a 1985 adaptation of "Lord Edgeware Dies"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090156/

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I felt the same way as I watched it, but realized half way through that I didn't care. Of course, Suchet is the definitive Poirot, but this film is still as good and as enjoyable as any of Suchet's Poirot films, despite the differences in the way he portrayed the character. I found Finney to be quite entertaining in his own right.

Still, I look forward to seeing the Suchet Orient Express.

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I also just saw Suchet's version of Murder on the Orient Express, and I thought he was terrible.

Poirot was always supposed to be quirky, somewhat eccentric, a little odd (even the way he was described in the original novels), but Suchet was none of that. He was just ... there, delivering lines.

Even Agatha Christie thought Albert Finney came the closest to her imagined Poirot, so how could Suchet's rendition be even close?

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Suchet's Poirot is too delicate, effete. Finney's is a formibable character you believe could outsmart some very ruthless villains.

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I completely agree, it was so over the top, it looked as if it was a comedy, rather than a murder mystery, it ended up being closer to Murder by Death or Clue, rather than Death on the Nile.

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I fully agree : Finney brings much too parody in Poirot's character in a movie that wasn't a comedy at all. At the contrary, in this marvellous whodunit movies' parody that is Murder by Death, James Coco gave a great comic version of our dear Belgian detective !

What amazed me when I discovered Ustinov's Poirot, especially in Death on Nile, was that he made me forget how much he wasn't physically the character - and that's a brilliant performance. Finney looked very much like Poirot and however, for me, he missed the point : the subtle mix of light and seriousness that makes our detective just a bit ridiculous - with his quirkes and vanity - but nevertheless highly credible in his professional side.

That's precisely why my favorite is and will always be David Suchet, because he perfectly impersonates Poirot physically and intelectually in the way I felt in Agatha Christie's books.




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Finney is the only good Poirot to be filmed. He was serious, funny, quirky...totally convincing as Poirot. you cannot even compare this movie to any of those television films with Suchet. They are just inferior in every way, starting with the scripts. This remains the greatest Christie adaptation of them all, with 1957 Witness for the Prosecution as #2.

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I'd rather say SAVED by Suchet.
Watching this adaption just now, I am appalled and finding it difficult to concentrate on the very plot itself in pure agitation of this clown - poirot.
He speaks with a screaming voice, and wears as much makeup as a circus clown.
Would say, even if I had not seen any other film adaption of Poirot, and if I only read the books, I would be thinking who IS this man - NOT Vain, sophisticated, short and well groomed Hercules Poirot.
If this man (what's his name) won the casting, I should like to see the other candidates. Should be a good laugh!

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FInney came off as rude and too abrupt, very unlike the Poirot character in the books.

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Suchet is a good Poirot... in the coldest sense of the word; efficient, adequate. Like reading from the books.

Finney makes Poirot alive, he creates the cinematographic character.

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Ariane67:
"What amazed me when I discovered Ustinov's Poirot, especially in Death on Nile, was that he made me forget how much he wasn't physically the character - and that's a brilliant performance. Finney looked very much like Poirot and however, for me, he missed the point : the subtle mix of light and seriousness that makes our detective just a bit ridiculous - with his quirkes and vanity - but nevertheless highly credible in his professional side. That's precisely why my favorite is and will always be David Suchet, because he perfectly impersonates Poirot physically and intelectually in the way I felt in Agatha Christie's books."


Avenger-16:
"To me, David Suchet is the only actor who has ever captured the character of Poirot; he is also the only actor who has ever bothered to take the character seriously and it shows - I thought that Albert Finney's performance was dreadful, over the top and quite hammy. Also all of that padding showed - his speech was affected because of the cheek pads which he wore, his hair was over- oiled and quite repulsive, and his manner was abrasive, quite unlike the descriptions of Poirot who uses 'the little grey cells' to arrive at a solution, and behaves at all times with the utmost Gaelic courtesy. Ustinov is better, but at times parodies the character, although he does it in such an amusing way that he gets away with it. I think that Agatha Christie would have been absolutely delighted with David Suchet's performances and it is a pity that she did not live to see either Suchet's Poirot or Joan Hickson's Miss Marple. Both gave definitive performances, and I cannot see any way upon which either of them could be bettered."



Streetlegal:
"Finney's portayal is confusing-I can't believe that it was unintentionally over the top because he is too good an actor to accidentally come up with an absurd performance so it has to have been a conscious decision to play Poirot so flamboyantly. The same applies to the make-up, it must have been deliberately unrealistic so the only explanation I can think of is Finney and Sidney Lumet decided to go for a wildly OTT depiction of Poirot-perhaps that was a wise decision for the film because it is rather slow paced and Finney is certainly entertaining. It is an absurd performance but a deliberately absurd one. A lesser actor and director could accidentally have made fools of themselves but Finney and Lumet must have known what they were doing."



I agree with these posts.

Now, this is a matter of personal taste, I don't expect to convert anyone...

My 2 favorite Poirots are David Suchet & Peter Ustinov, in no particular order.

I thought Suchet was perfect, and totally convincing as this rather bizarre, eccentric person. Then I saw him being interviewed on PBS and I was totally floored. David Suchet is NOTHING like that! It was mind-boggling. The look, the manner, the VOICE, it's all a total fabrication (the same way Ann Guilbert's "Grandma Yetta" is on "THE NANNY"). And yet, when he does the part, it seems so real, the real Suchet seems like a put-on. That's spooky. (It was particularly spooky when Suchet, as himself, out of make-up, would suddenly slip into Poirot's character to address the TV audience.)

By comparison, Peter Ustinov looks like he's not wearing any make-up at all. I've seen him in other things, I know he's NOT like that, but when he's onscreen, he just comes across so natural, I totally believe it, and forget he's any other way.

Albert Finney, however, FEELS like a fabrication. Everything about his Poirot seems a put-on. Perhaps this WAS deliberate? Generally, I admire just about everything about the film "MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS"... except Finney. It makes me wish they'd thought of Ustinov 4 years earlier. I'm SO GLAD Finney turned down "DEATH ON THE NILE"!! That and "EVIL UNDER THE SUN" remain my 2 all-time favorite Agatha Christie films.

And now, something I'm sure will baffle or offend many purists... I'd rate Aldred Molina 3rd. I've seen his version of "ORIENT EXPRESS" 3 times so far, and enjoyed it IMMENSELY, especially the 2nd & 3rd time, once the shock of the "updating" wore off. I compare it to a Hammer Films adaptation. It's NOT "authentic"-- but it WORKS for what it is. And I'd rate it BETTER than 2 out of 3 of Ustinov's CBS-TV movies. (By the way, "APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH" was a potentially good film... but MURDERED by really bad directing & editing. Damn shame, it was written by Anthony Shaeffer, who also did "NILE" and "SUN".)

Tony Randall is bottom of the barrel. The crazy thing is, if you ignore the fact that "THE ALPHABET MURDERS" is more like "HELP!" without the music (or comedy) than "Agatha Christie", it's not a completely terrible film, and has a PILE of fantastic character actors in it. But Randall is the WORST thing about it, while the sub-plot of "Hastings" (Robert Morley) trying to get him OUT of the country for diplomatic reasons is just monstrously stupid, and keeps getting in the way of the plot. (There were a LOT of completely crazy films in the late 60's...)

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Albert Finney, however, FEELS like a fabrication. Everything about his Poirot seems a put-on. Perhaps this WAS deliberate?


Yes, and no. It was deliberate, but perhaps not as intended. It all comes down to bad judgement calls in direction. As you said, Finneys performance was quite hammy. I think Finney and Lumet had put their minds in the character taking one specific kind of direction, and then they stuck with it. And I really don't think they were quite as happy with the result when the dust had finally settled.

Lumet seldom makes mistakes in direction, but this kind of film really wasn't up his alley. Or perhaps he was drunk. This was the 70's, after all. And perhaps Albert Finney had his head stuck up his ass. This was his film after all. But when all is said and done, it looks like his Poirot is playing in a completely different film from the rest of the cast.

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