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Are women in Blaxploitation movies degraded or liberated?


I'm doing a critcal analysis on women in blaxploitation movies for my final year Media Studies exam and need other peoples opinions for the paper.

I need to discuss whether the nudity/sex in the films was excessive or totally relevant? For example was Foxy Brown liberated because she gets to get revenge and act in a way that was unusual at the time or is she degraded because she has to take her clothes off so much to get there?

I'd like anyones view on the question above and examples of any of the films in the genre that show this.Any opinion is welcome the more diverse the better!

Thanks!


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Foxy didn't get revenge by taking her clothes off. That whole thing with the judge, she unhooked her bra, then tripped him over Claudia, out the door, hooked it back on, called him a pink-ass corrupt honky judge and slammed the door on him, for everybody to see him without the benefit of his boxers.

I believe women in blaxploitation movies are liberated because you see sort of the ordinary, every day kind of woman, take out dope pushers and the mob and such, with as director Jack Hill puts it, with her wit, intuition and femininity. She's not a Superwoman or a female James Bond or Batgirl or anything like that, all she has to go on to take out the bad guys is anything she can get her hands on...like in Foxy Brown, she attacks one guy at the ranch with a bunch of wire hangers bent together, and Coffy, she put razor blades in her Afro and sharpened a bobby pin to make it a deadly weapon...which I might add, Pam Grier HERSELF suggested to Jack Hill to put in the script, he never could've thought of that.

And Coffy...yeah, she had to take her clothes off, sleep with King George, and have her titty popping out when she's with Sugar Man...of course that was all so nobody would suspect anything and she could actually get in close enough for the kill. Coffy and Foxy are both women with missions, and they're going to right the wrongs inflicted upon their families and friends, no matter what the cost is. Which is more than a lot of people would do and everybody knows it. These kinds of movies show regular women who do the extraordinary because they're smart, quick thinking and quick acting, and they live to see another day.

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Thanks so much for the answer!

I've never thought of it that way before! Also being a 21st century woman I would like to believe that I would never take my clothes off etc etc to get revenge so maybe characters like Foxy and Coffy would be more liberated because they could do something most people wouldn't!

Also another question: How relevant are these movies to people in todays society? I found these movies had no cultural relevance to me or anyone in my family seeing as I'm 3rd generation Black-British. I was just wondering does it have any relevance to anyone here who not American? Or even if you are American?

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That's a bit of a harder one to answer...I'm a Caucasian American...but I absolutely LOVE Coffy and Foxy Brown...I wanted for years to see Coffy after seeing part of it in Urban Legends when she shot Sugar Man and then went after Grover. Maybe not much relevence in general, but I still do enjoy the idea of a movie where a woman could be the main star and she had all the fun while kicking ass and taking out the enemies...I mean let's face it, they would not do a movie like that today, though why that is I don't know, you'd think they'd have more balls to do stuff like it now in a day and age where you can pull off just about anything in a movie.

No, today's movies where women typically play the leading part, of course there are a few exceptions, but for the most of it, they make the leading women, or even the co-leading women, none too bright about much of anything, little idea of what they're really doing or how to do it right, not to mention that even now, people are more likely to give you a stuck up woman who wouldn't know fun sooner than they would a stuck up man of the same sort. You ever notice that? Even today, FAR past the women's liberation generation, About 95% of movies that have adventure and excitement in them, the men do all the adventurous things and have all the fun, and the women's top priority is STILL to just stand around looking pretty and being a 'responsible' adult who doesn't make waves and minds her own business.

So I'd say there's some relevence there in the fact that Coffy and Foxy didn't have to lean on men to have THEM be the ones to do something right. They went out and took care of business themselves where they could, and Coffy, she pretty much tackled the dope pushers all by herself, Foxy, she had to call on a little help from the neighborhood committe...however that was only after she had shot her brother, found a way for she and Claudia to get out of having to sleep with that bastard of a judge, then planned an escape for Claudia so she could be with her man and her kid, managed to temporarily escape from Eddie's clutches by cutting him, bashing the other guy on the head with a trashcan so Claudia was able to get away, and then single-handedly killed the 2 bastards at the ranch and got herself back home.

Those women were pretty independent and they were damn good at what they did, which oddly enough, says more for them than it does for women in movies today.

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Everyone, including the audience, in any -xploitation movie is degraded. That's the point. Or one of the points anyway.

What's the spanish for drunken bum?

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Would you care to explain that?

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Well, I meant it in a good way, if that helps.

What's the spanish for drunken bum?

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So why isn't that term used for movies now when they're chock full of graphic nudity and violence?

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And there are still movies like that made today only they're not called exploitation anymore.

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Sex Sells. Men Know that, but ALSO women know that. Pam Grier's characters were bangin and they knew it. A man may be stronger, faster and bigger than a woman (generally) but no (straight :P) is totally immune to the charms of a foxy, brown seductress.

Now if you are doing a paper on ALL women in Blaxploitation movies, then yes of course many were degraded or at least used as sexual eye-candy and nothing else. That's of course true for about every movie genre and time-period though.

But in regards to Grier's movies, I feel it is fairly liberating. She takes sh!t into her own hands and gets it done. Hell, if you had her body, you'd probably show it off too! haha.

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I don't know why they call this Blaxploitation. Foxy Brown rules! I may be a milque-toast, Mid-west white girl, but if I found myself amongst the gangs in this movie, I would want to be Foxy Brown's friend. She was smart, fierce, and loyal. I'd work hard to earn her friendship.

Men get raped too, if they make it to prison. Foxy took her attack in stride and kept on going. She's strong and beautiful. There's nothing exploitative about that. In fact, to say it's exploitation could be an attempt to diminish her strong role.

Pam Grier continues to be a hero for women on the L Word. Go Foxy!

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Well in a way it was exploitation because they were dealing with things that people didn't want to talk about, the gangs and drug wars and such, nobody ever wants to talk about that, in those days they probably did even less than now. But you're right, Foxy is strong and beautiful. I like the way they have her deal with her attack as well...you know I don't know but it seems a lot of times, and probably it's coming from a most realistic point of view, but in a lot of movies where women get raped, afterwards they are complete wrecks in the sense of their sense of security has been taken away and all that...and we can understand that, but sometimes it's nice to see a woman who can take what the opposition throws upon her, and she gets back up to kick ass and take names, and that's what Foxy did.

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It's both exploitation and liberation. Think about it, if it was just one or ther other, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.

There really is no denying that the central piece to this movie is to capitalize on Pam Grier's sensuality and sexuality. She does get vtctimized for it in the movie, but also she uses it to her advantage- Foxy is easily able to get into the prostitution racket controlled by Katherine Wall because of her good looks, but it is her smarts and strong personality that won over her (the woman whom she sets out to destroy)

Another thing, there are other women showing off their titties in this movie as well, however none of them achieved what Foxy achieved. Although showing off her titties did help immensely (no denying that) it took courage, intelligence, strength, motivation, and loyalty from her "bruthas" for Foxy to be victorious in the end.

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And women especially seem liberated in these kinds of movies. Because the women are going out for revenge. When it's a male lead in a Blaxploitation movie, he's some kind of hustler just trying to make all the money he can and get all the power he can and usually he's killed off by the end...the women don't seem to fall into that crap, they keep their mind on why they are doing what they are doing, for revenge, and they see that they get it and they live to see another day.

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yes? good point, but would coffy, foxy brown & sheba, baby get made today. without the "PC" drama?

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Then nothing would get made.

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When you see a blaxploitation movie, it isn't the actors or the characters that are being exploited. It is the audience. A certain segment of the population thought it would be cool to see whitey get his due. They made a movie for them.

Sure, some of the fans of these movies are non-black, but they weren't the target audience. And sure, not all blaxploitation movies are about whitey losing, but this one sure was.

In this movie, the bad guys who sold drugs were white, and the good guys were black. But were the good guys any more respectable than the bad guys? What kind of group would you approach if you needed help murdering drug dealers? Seminary students?

This movie didn't have to play the black card. It has the same plot as countless cowboy movies. Wayne and Eastwood built their entire careers on playing the avenging angel who kill the bad guys. Eastwood's characters were almost dead-on the Foxy Brown character.

Name this character. I'm a loner who plays by my own rules. I am no threat to law-abiding citizens, but I am ready to fight. Bad guys threatened my friend/relative. I fought. I lost. I almost died. I came back and totally destroyed the bad guys.

Was that Wayne? Was is Eastwood? Was it Grier? Was it Roundtree, Gibson, Bogart, Stewart?

I choose to ignore labels like blaxploitation. This movie, with enough money, would have been a major hit.

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I doubt the white hookers were evil masterminds too.

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To be her friend you'd just have to be a good, honest person. That's hard work for you?

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It's a double edge sword. Blaxploitation and Sexploitation gave a lot of actresses a chance of playing a leading role and to play strong female heroes. Yet let's not kid ourselves. I like the genre but it's pretty sleazy. I'd say it liberated women if they were willing to degrade themselves a bit by accepting needless nudity.

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It's sexploitation if a woman plays it. If a man does, he's the hero.

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I think of this as very much a Blaxploitation film. The movie was made by white Hollywood for the African American audience with kind of a ridiculous use of stereotypical black language, dress, roles, etc. Later, directors like Spike Lee and others came along to create movies with more rich and varied characters and stories. These earlier movies opened the doors for movies that you wouldn't call Blaxploitation. I am glad these movies were made. I ordered Shaft two nights ago and Foxy Brown last night through Amazon Instant Video each for $2.99. I watched them both with my son to expose him to the Blaxploitaion subgenre. We both enjoyed the heck out of them in a campy sort of way. Grier played a role in a sleazy 70's film like a lot of white actresses did. She portrayed a strong, heroic character though. She was great. I may see Coffy next.

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Yes.

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I don’t think that Pam Grier’s characters are actually degrading to women in that sense. In most cases she uses sex like a tool in her arsenal to get what she wants. She is always the one who is outsmarting and manipulating the bad guys.

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