Alternative Version


Does anyone remember a longer version of this film?

There are two run times given, varying by about half an hour.

Years ago, I recorded it late at night on ITV while having aerial trouble. I later re-recorded it on Channel 4 to find that several scenes I remembered had gone. This 'shorter' version is now the one shown on TV every time, and so I am left with these dim memories of several other scenes, namely:

- A 'face to face' interview with Winston Churchill, Randolph Churchill and Jennie Jerome. The shorter version has kept the scene interviewing Winston Churchill, but some lines have definitely been cut from the Jenny Jerome interview, where she is asked about her husband's condition, and the Randolph Churchill scene has been cut entirely.

-The start is slightly different- after the opening titles, the camera stays on the black and white photo of Churchill on his horse, and we overhear the lines "Who's that damn fool on the grey?"/ "Somebody who wants to get noticed I expect."/ "He'll get noticed alright- get his head blown off" from later in the film. Also, I seem to remember some of the flashback scenes in a different order, since the scene with this line seemed to be later in the film.

-The ending is definitely different. In the short version, it ends on a freeze frame on Churchill talking to his mother about marriage. I remember several scenes at the end of the long version actually featuring Clementine, his bride-to-be. I KNOW I'm not imagining these things because Clementine Hosier is cerdited in the end titles, yet isn't even in the short version.

-As I say,some of the scenes may also be in a different order, though it still had the effect of intercutting back and forth in time.

-Most interestingly, it had a scene near the end based on a story Churchill wrote in the 1940s, called "The Dream." This is possibly the most touching scene in the film- I can't understand why it was cut. In it, the elderly Churchill (seen in silhouette) meets the ghost of his father, and they discuss how the world has changed in the last 50 years. Randolph is surprised at how well his son has turned out, and expresses approval at his son's paintings ("They take up all my time now"). It's a beautifully played scene, with real remorse in Robert Shaw's eyes, and if a complete DVD version comes out I'd snap it up just to watch this scene. The key to it is it's so understated- Winston Churchill provides his father's ghost with a complete update of the last 50 years of politics, and describes the fates of all the people his father knew, but he never mentions his own role in all of this, or that he is even involved in politics, and his father is left proud of him even though he's not aware of his son's greatest achievements- he comments on how Winston has intellectually grown far beyond even his best expectations.

As I haven't seen the longer version of the film in years, I wonder if anyone who has can remember any more scenes I may have forgotten about?

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Hello -

I saw Young Winston while in London in December 1972. I, too, enjoyed the film, especially the dream sequence with Randolph at the end of the film.

When I returned to the States, I saw the film again, with a shortened ending...

Luckily, I had purchased a book with the original screenplay while I was in the UK....so I knew that I hadn't lost my mind and dreamed the dream sequence myself!

I still have the screenplay and have searched for the original version for the past 33 years...unsucessfully...

I found your comments while looking up Richard Attenborough...with thoughts of writing directly to him to ask about a director's cut...

I'm delighted to find someone who remembers and loves the original version of the film.

Hope to hear from you!

Teri
California

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Hi!

I found a copy of the album, too.

A "Young Winston Special Edition" is being released on DVD this month in the UK...

I'm hoping that it is the 145 minute version and that we Americans can buy it sometime soon too....

If you would like the script for the dream scene let me know...

Teri

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I recently taped the movie when it was shown on Turner Classic Movies. And I was disappointed that the dream was cut from the end. I remember it as a very poignant scene indeed.

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The new DVD ends on the freeze frame and does not have the dream sequence. It does have the voice over the photograph at the start, though.

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Yes. I can also remember this scene.I, like you have also seen the shortened version on tv ever since and my wife and I have strived to find the original longer version.Unfortunately I have just bought a DVD copy and guess what, it`s the short ending again without the dream section with his father.

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My father saw the American version in 1972, and remembered Lady Jennie having an altercation with Winston's headmaster (Robert Hardy) after she found out about the beatings. Does anyone else recall this scene?

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Is there any word on the 'full' version of this great film being released? I notice the version on BBC2 today is about 135 minutes - I wonder which one it will be?

IMDB has saved my sanity as I felt I had imagined the 'alternative' ending!

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The film is available on a DVD produced in Germany, for those which all region DVD players. It is in English and runs 147 minutes, but ends on a freeze frame, not a dream sequence. It is a great film, one of those films that seems better every time I see it. I cannot understand why it isn't on DVD in England, at least. Ironic that German apparently appreciates Winston Churchill more than Britain or the US.

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Not in the script or any version I've seen.Pity -the bastard was even worse in real life.

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I have just viewed the film on TCM and was also disappointed to find that the dream sequence was missing. To my mind this rounded out the film in its original version. I cannot understand why this ending would not be included in a special edition DVD. I wonder if the original version still exists!! Such a shame!!

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I just watched this movie for the second time. The first time was on American television (either ABC, CBS, or NBC), probably in about 1979. And that version ended with Winston firing his pistol and otherwise celebrating atop the Boer train as it entered Portuguese East Africa. The version I recorded off of TCM the other night went on for about half an hour after that, but didn't include any dream sequence. It did, however, include the the three separate journalistic interviews with Randolph Churchill, then his wife, and finally with Winston himself.

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You guys are right, in the TCM version there is an obnoxious journalist from behind the camera interviewing all three Churchills at various points, but no dream sequence at the end and no Clementine Hozier--she is discussed and mentioned by name, but never shown.

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Version aired on BBC2 today still seems to be the 135 min. version.....

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A shame the father and son scenes at the end were missing as it adds a lot of pathos.

Its that man again!!

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I saw this film myself last night, and I too noticed scenes were missing.

I remember the dream sequence at the end well, with Winston talking to his father in a much younger voice.

I also remember a scene earlier on in the film where he is being chased by bullies, singing songs about his father, Winston hides and breaks down in tears.

Could this possibly have been shown as a two parter?

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