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Can you explain this meaning of the film to me


Can you explain this meaning of the film to me What i dont get is the planet thing. Mean is all the things he tells thorughout his life really happening or is he just reliving in his mind some of his memories but he changed them around? Thanks i did not read the book but i just saw the movie.

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It's really your choice if you want to take the Sci-Fi element literally. If you do, then aliens from the planet Tralfamadore have transported Billy to a zoo in their dimension where past, present, and future are one. Or you could look at the whole movie as Billy's hallucination after nearly dying in the plane crash. Vonnegut never insists one way or the other in the book, but most people seem to take the Sci-Fi pemise literally.

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yeah its more fun that way
besdies the movie is great
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It is all how it is seen.

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it was highly suggested in the book that billy is just schizophrenic and is using the information he read in the kilgore trout novels and also other things that have happened in his life, and the elaboratism of his brain to fabricate this world in his head where he can time travel and visit another planet

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When I read the book and saw the movie, both times I had the thought that....

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the only reason Billy could say he exists in the past and present and future at once is because he's near the end of his life. Meaning that, as a kid, you can't say you can do this, because you have like 90% future, and only a little bit of past. I am really struggling on how to say this... but basically, I thought the Tralfamadore idea was just his way of coping with the passing of time, as he can relive different moments at different times. However, in both cases (book and movie), this little "coping mechanism" theory kind of dissolves when he tells his daughter and son-in-law exactly how he ends up dying. This part kind of tells you right upfront that, in this story's case, the sci-fi, Tralfamadore element WAS real, and he has learned to exist in all dimensions of time. I hope that makes sense.

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Good synopsis. In the book (just got done reading it) I feel there are supporting evidence for both. Depending on my mood I would take it as either, considering both. For the coping side, the author that he gets way too into has books that are just like what Billy Pilgram is going through. But there is no definitive answer... which is always best! makes for great thoughts and conversation.

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I interpret the sci-fi element as being Billy's fantasy (being stuck in comfortable room and mating with a pretty woman younger than his daughter).

In my opinion, his death scene is not proof of his time-travel, but another example of his day-dreaming. He has taken Paul Lazzario's revenge fantasy and made it his own. He wants to die a glorious, meaningful death. In the book, America has been "balkanized" in the future, and Billy is assassinated by a hitman with a laser gun.

The main reason I don't believe the sci-fi part is real is because of a character that is not in the movie -- Kilgore Trout the sci-fi author. Several aspects of the aliens (the zoo, the fourth dimension) were written by Billy's friend Kilgore. After the plane crash and the resulting brain surgery is when he starts to believe that his abduction was real. (He might have been brain-damaged as a child too, when he almost drowned after being thrown into the deep-end of a swimming pool by his father.) Another thing not in the movie is Montana Wildhack's locket. She is wearing a gold locket in the movie when she is transported to the zoo, but it is gone in the last scene. In the book, the locket has an insciption that is exactly the same as the framed poster in the Lions Club.

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The events in the story (both book and film) are all meant to be taken literally, although the film's theme is more expressionistic (than realistic). Vonnegut is weighing in on the free will vs destiny argument. Basically asking what if free will was a concept believed no where else in the universe but on earth.

Throughout his life Billy is an innocent whose fate is determined by the people and events around him. Once he buys into the concept that everything in the universe is pre-determined and once he knows how everything turns out, he can stop struggling to alter events. When he has a premonition of the plane crash he initially tries to stop the take-off but only because he feels responsible for the others on the plane. Then he realizes the futility of altering things and calmly returns to his seat as the events play out.

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Also, if I'm not mistaken, some Quantum Physicists have been saying for some time now that we only view our lives as linear. That in fact, we could be doing what Billy is doing in the book and movie, but we just don't realize it. Stephen Hawkins has said, he doesn't understand why we can't remember the future. That's not a direct quote, but I find it interesting that they're a lot of brilliant people out there thinking about things that the rest of us shove to the side as science fiction. So, I agree that the book and movie can be taken literally, or you know, as fiction, because that is what it is. Whether it is meant to be taken literally or not, it doesn't matter because it's just a story. So, just sit back and enjoy a great book and a good movie because in the end, like I said a sentence ago, it is just a story.

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Billy's time with the Tralfamadorians is the way Vonnegut can get some of his intriguing philosophical ideas into the story. It is true that many ancient philosophies from Buddhism to Gnosticism have held that our perception of time and space is an illusion. And current scientific theories are coming into agreement with these ideas. For instance our perception of solid objects is an illusion, in reality everything is made of shifting energy fields and even a piece of lead is really almost completely empty space (read Fritjof Capra's books or see the film of his book "Mindwalk" for more on some of these ideas).

The idea here is that in reality every moment is eternal, all of time and space is connected in an eternal 4 dimensional structure. It is only our point of view as we "fall" through time that gives us the illusion of the passing of time, that things have a beginning and end in time. In Billy's case his travel through time has become randomized, but really our lives are similar since in neither case do we have control over our passage through time.

It seems like every movie with an unusual point of view gets some "it was all a dream" theories, and you can make it work in this one if you want to, but I think it's more interesting if it's meant to be real. One thing to ponder is why the Tralfamadorians chose Billy from all the people on earth as their specimen (I can't remember if this is addressed in the book). Maybe it was that the events of his life had made him ready for the idea of slipping happily through time, more than most people he was ready to view everything that happened to him with a smile, even when he's being marched through town by Nazi guards. Focus on the good things, forget the bad. That is why of all the things that happened to Billy in his life, the film ends not with his death or the dramatic climax of the killing of his friend, but instead it ends with his happiest moment.

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Simply put, it is explained in the first few lines of the book.

Billy Pilgrim has become unstuck in time.

Throughout both the book and the movie, Billy himself never really seems to know when/where he will be in any given moment. He simply looks around, realizes he is now somewhere/sometime else, and in effect, picks up where he left off. The whole "process", while spanning his life, could effectively be infinite. He knows how and when he will die, yet never does.

While we can all postulate on the how's and why's, and could it happen's, Vonnegut gave us all a chance to see an entire life go from start to finish, just not in sequential order. Aside from living in an alien zoo, Billy Pilgrim could be the guy next to you on the bus, waiting in line at the grocer, or any number of random people.

As stated by Doctor-T- above, one question to consider is why Billy? Not to ridicule or discredit the question, but why not? Aside from slipping free from the start to finish of time, he is any random person. Call it celestial "luck of the draw". On the fantasy side of things, perhaps his "zoo-keepers" knew of his gift/curse and felt he was a good candidate to keep. He was never really caged, yet couldn't leave.

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I personally feel that for this book, you need to take the things literally.
Again, the book starts out with Billy Pilgrim has become unstuck in time. To let this book make sense, try viewing the events literally. After that maybe you will realize that the events that he keeps recalling might be related to things he happens to see in his life.
I loved the idea of us never being truly dead because in the end we could always re-live the moments in the past. That really would be something great. This book was amazing, but man I cant find the movie anywhere! Can someone suggest where I could find it? I'm keeping the option of buying it online as my last option.

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The aliens gave him a hot chick to be with,so he could have sex with.He went back and forth though time and the aliens just enjoyed sending him back to the past,to visit the past is to realize who you are and your present is what your life is now.It would been good if the aliens had other humans in other sphere domes.and have other human share their expererances with one another that's what I hoped for.

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One small correction: Early in the book, it says that the Tralfamadorians had nothing to do with Billy becoming unstuck in time; they simply explained it to him.

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Billy was on LSD, that why we never see the UFOs that "took" him. We should watch the film rather looking to deep into this.





















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It has nothing to do with LSD.

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It really helps to read the book. But it can be a masterpiece if you stay very open to the idea's presented by Vonnegut. You have to pick up on the little things like the meaning of "and so it goes" and the many ironic themes. What I don't get is the planet thing. Mean is all the things he tells throughout his life really happening or is he just reliving in his mind some of his memories but he changed them around? Well thats the idea really there is no right answer specifically. It has to be taken in with a very open mind. But it is kinda like he rejected reality and subjected his own to cope with all of the tramatic events that occured in his life.

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or maybe the guys on some heavy drugs

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If God exists and he is omniscient, then there cannot be free will.

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didn't david hume say that in relations to sin

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this movie is as good as the godfather
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it's funny, when i read the book (first in high school, and several times since), i think it's all in his mind, but when i see the movie, it seems more sci-fi, like he's actually time travelling.

about the book-- i can't remember (it's been a while since i read it), does billy ever influence or change past events of his life from his point of view in the future?


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I always thought Tralfamadore was Billy's coping mechanism for his dull and mundane life and trauma suffered from the plane crash and World War 2. In fact, I think all of the movie is flashback and fantasy except for the begining when his daughter comes to the house frantically searching for him and the end when he's about to mail his letter off. Then again, his son in law mentioned Montana "disappeared".

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He is not relivingthem in his mind. He is going back in forth in time and reliving them literally.

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A key to the work is "being unstuck in time" and the inherent accompanying vision of this state. Billy is no longer a prisoner of linear time. And because of this he has the ability to behold what William Blake referred to as "Fourfold Vision." Fourfold Vision is the realization of imagination + reality, a purifying of the senses, of becoming, of being awake in dreams. What this life should and can be if/when we wake up and see it's awesome, terrifying beauty.

Does this help or only create more confusion?

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