Worst movie ever!


This movie is up there with Beward Children at Play, Daddy Day Camp, The Hottie and the Nottie, Who's Your Caddy?

If anyone tells you this movie is good, they have a bad opinion and they are wrong. The movie has no story and horrible acting.

It is one of the only movies, I have ever been awake staring the movie. and I fell asleep to it.

All they do is go around eating shoes and there is a naked little boy.
It is the biggest peice of garbage I have ever seen.

I could not sit through this crap. But my friend Daron was able to sit through the whole thing and he said it was the worst movie he has ever seen in his life without question and from what I saw I would have to agree.

Please I beg of you, no one see this movie.

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If you are limited, El Topo is limited.
If you are great, then El Topo is great.

El Topo is more than a narrative film.....much more.

no, it really is.......I kno wyou begged, but some people in this world really appreciate it for so many reasons. Is that okay or not?

"Gran'pa was always tha best...."

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I agree. The watcher's intelligence (and film intelligence) will determine if they like this movie or not.

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If you are limited, El Topo is limited.
If you are great, then El Topo is great.

translates to:

If I can scam a bunch of pseudo-intellectual loonies into believing that the dump I took is actually a great work of art, I'll be the last one to complain!


BTW, that quote is just about the most arrogant, stuck-up (and at the same time downright silly) statement I've ever heard a filmmaker utter.

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Not necessarily. There certainly are many "artists" out there scamming people (look at 95% of contemporary art), but I don't believe Jarodowsky is one of them. I'm not saying that this movie is the best I've ever seen, but I do appreciate (and understand - believe it or not) the symbolism he uses in his films.

I don't believe in the term psedyo-intellectual either... if you're attempting to think about the world around you - at any level - that makes you intellectual (to some degree). But by dismissing something that you do not understand as crap, then you are limiting your own thinking. And that's fine, too... we all have thought-perameters and this one does not align with yours. I'm certainly no super-intellectual and definitely not an existentialist, but I do attempt to think about what I'm seeing... and if I find something relevant to me, I don't think that makes me a loony, either.

It does say a lot about you that you have to come and "attack" the people on this board that do like the movie.

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@ Ash-56

Yeah, sorry for being a troll. Thanks anyway for a mature answer to a comment that didn't really warrant any. Wasn't really trying to offend anyone, I was trying to express my total contempt for Jodorowsky and his work (as I was surprised that there are so little people who do). It's strange... I like Fellini, I like Lynch, but Jodorowsky... Maybe it's because the other two make movies that are entertaining while Jodorowsky's are (at least IMHO) all boredom with lots of meaningless symbolism. It's like Paul Verhoeven's 'The Fourth Man': Verhoeven gleefully admits that he crammed this film chock full of symbolisms which don't really have any DEEPER meaning, but are merely there to please the critics and moviegoers. That's how I feel about Jodorowsky's work.

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How 'bout explaining some of this symbolism to me?

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Not true. I have an IQ of 143 and this movie is a nauseating pile of slop. Other than that, its quite good.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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IQ means exactly dick. It means you have logic. That's all there is to it.

And no, I'm not jealous, mine is 137 and it suits me fine tyvm. People just put too much value on IQ.

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My IQ is 75, or something...
butt still I run the shrimpin' bisness N THA HOOD, or something...

Or maybes I just saw that in a movie, or something...

Anyways, stupid is who stupid doos, or something...


If you are limited, this comment is limited.
If you are great, then this comment is great.

Or something...

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--My IQ is 75, or something...--

...classic

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Intelligence is measured by the boundaries of ones imagination. IQ tests can only try to predict intelligence by measuring the diversity of ones knowledge.


051 si QI yM

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This is truly funny. A list of folks testifying how IQ is meaningless, then proceeding to roll out their own (alleged) scores.
Dr Rude wins that flex-contest.

"Anyone who spends a significant amount of time with me finds me disagreeable."
- William Somerset

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Hello, this is the competition of IQ?? Mine is 117, and this movie is great and hilarious (in a bad way) at the same time! :P

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Jodorowsky's films are guilty pleasures at best.

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Right next to the ad hominem argument, there's the "if you don't like it as much as I do, then you don't get it" argument often augmented with "I am smart, you are stupid" for bit more ego satisfaction.

Ebert puts El Topo and Santa Sangre on his Great Movie list. Yet he harshly panned the much esteemed The Usual Suspects noting after multiple viewings: "To the degree that I do understand, I don't care." I think a reasonable intelligent person can apply that same observation to most if not all of the work of Jodorowsky (and completely dispense with Fando and Lis).

CB

Good Times, Noodle Salad

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Another way to put it: Children generally don't appreciate french cuisine. They want ice-cream and pizza! 20 years later the same children prefers the french cuisine. We should not get angry with them for expressing their dislike of art, it comes with the age...

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So...this movie is french cuisine? What's Buñuel, Kubrick and Herzog, then?

Under the Paving Stones, The Beach

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Jodorowsky made the movie like many other directors, it is his work and he put it there for whoever want to watch it, do it. He is not forcing people to go see it. Nobody put a gun to my head or did the ORANGE CLOCKWORK so I could sit through the whole thing. You know Jodorowsky, then you know what he is capable of and you take your iwn decision. The fist movie from Jodorowsky I watched was SANTA SANGRE and I fell in love with it. Then I saw FANDO & LIS and didn't quite get it, but that doesn't mean the movie is bad, is just different. I like everything he does for many reasons, but I don't recommend it to just anybody, since his work is not commercial, is most like an aquired taste and you should know what you're getting into.

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It's funny. Alejandro Jodorowsky said exactly the same thing about El Topo in an interview with the New York Times:

"If you are limited, El Topo is limited.
If you are great, then El Topo is great."

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Sounds like you saw the first 20 minutes of the film and gave up... How can you judge a movie from the first 20 minutes? Maybe people shouldn't post comments on movies they haven't even seen...
-d

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There's always somebody who goes around looking for a critically acclaimed movie to piss on, in a desperate attempt to be "different".

Every single time a movie gets good reviews, a person like that comes along. Half the time, they haven't even seen the movie they're criticizing.

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I have seen it and more than once just in case I wasn't getting some supposed nuance. Its all right if everyone wants to see it and mull it over or even forget it. It made a pile of money for its supposed genius maker and that's what its really all about.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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I was talking about the OP. It seems that you genuinely just didn't like it. The OP, on the other hand...

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to compare 70's surrealism to Daddy Day Camp means one thing.....someone you know watched EL TOPO and you saw a bit of it and you didnt get it....AND you actually watched Daddy Day Camp on your own and didnt like it (which shows how dumb you are) and added the two films to make a weak and foolish cinematic comparison.

or.

you just dont know what the FCK you are talking about in general.

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Bunuel is one of the greats -- I'll take him anytime over El Turdo.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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Wow, I have to see this movie. It is usually a good sign when the young reviewers are pissed off. "No special effects, boring, childish, sit-through-crap" usually means it's incredibly good! If you check what they recommend it's like "Lord of the Rings".... They've never read a book in their life so they need film to portray simple straight-forward stories they can grasp. The other things about film is beyond their comprehension.

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I am old and falling apart, but El Turdo is just that -- a crap fest.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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This film, like many in the genre, is all about the experience.

Probably why it was heralded for months and sold out midnight shows, drawing celebrity and critical accolades (while most were in an altered state while viewing the midnight show).

However, after John Lennon and Yoko got involved with distribution and insisted that it be placed in traditional cinema to the masses (like most of the comments and the OP here), the film tanked.

After viewing this movie, I can say I enjoyed it and see why all of the fuss was made and how Alejandro Jodorowsky was pushing the symbolism with extreme violence and bizarre circumstances, but I would have LOVED this movie had I been able to see it at the midnight show at the Elgin (an unbelievably cool theater then) during it's original 6 month run.

I also have to say that I am sorry that we never got a chance to see this film on MST3K during the run, but watch for a Rifftrax or Film Crew version.

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Noted. Often the experience in itself is greater than the film. It sounds like you are, perhaps, a shining instigator of the fondly remembered MST3K crowd and if not, you still know yer stuff.

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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Ha. I agree.

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i am not a christian, but i like a good story... if you would watch the whole movie, you'd notice that it is an allegorical tale of the new and old testaments of the bible.... and honestly, this movie could be possible with no dialogue because the compositions of every shot are gorgeous... and if you gave 'Who's Your Caddy?" the time of day to watch... well, i feel sorry for you and your brain and i pity you.


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Way better than the good the bad and the ugly.

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i've yet to see the film, but now that i've seen the trailer and i've read up on the film, im not in any rush to. i've seen the type. not that im automatically against any art house films, mind you. most of my favorite films are indies. but movies like this just REEK with pretension. "you're not supposed to get it. it's not about the acting or the story like in your simplistic hollywood crowd pleasers. maaan."

i think im going to have to side with Tolkien when it comes to allegories:
"....And, of course, the more 'life' a story has the more readily will it be susceptible of allegorical interpretations: while the better a deliberate allegory is made the more nearly will it be acceptable just as a story."

if the story itself is deemed as unimportant, with the only value of the film found in some arbitrary symbolism, then what's the point in watching it? exactly what skill does that even involve? he might as well put a small legend on the bottom-right corner of the screen with the text "naked child=disillusionment, crying clown=loss of innocence." that's such bullcrap. if anything, that type of filmmaking shows a LACK of imagination.

i've got a screenplay im trying to get made. it's a romantic comedy, although i'll tell my audience that the movie they're seeing goes beyond any romantic comedy. the main character's love interest will be played by a man. her character will be symbolic of man's mortality. consider you minds blown.

so yeah, i'll eventually see this movie (in case i don't actually know what im talking about), but im in no rush. how about i watch 2001 to see these ideas actually well implemented.

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Don't wait on El Topo. I thought it was going to be like that, but really is amazing and beauitful. Really, it is just fantastic film making.

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The first time I saw this film I did not like it one bit. I don't know why but I watched again, a few months later, and liked it a little. Then I got a little high with my mates and I played El Topo on our projector. We just sat there for the entire duration of the movie, speechless. We were just blown away. Now whenever I see it I can somehow understand the symbolism in the film, even when I'm sober. I apologize if some of you are not cannabis enthusiasts but that's all it took me to open my mind a little bit. I've seen a couple other Jodorowsky movies, namely Holy Mountain and Fando y Lis, which were also pretty good. If you don't know what's going on in the movie just fill in the gaps with your imagination. It's almost like a custom-made movie =D

For the lulz.

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With THC in your brain and feeding your myriads of cannabinoid receptors, even Son of the Mask is viewed as a masterpiece. I have a copy of El Topo so I guess I am entitled to my opinion that it is a perfect example of pretentiousness erected (sic) as an art form. Thanks precisely to promotion by the likes of a very disoriented John Lennon during the peak phase of his Yokomania when even her least belch was perceived by the to-be-ex Beatle as an art performance, El Topo became artificially inflated to the status of masterpiece of symbolism cinema.

In his commentaries to El Topo on the DVD, Jodorowsky argues (in his own words) that cinema can basically do and be everything that other arts, and literature and particular, do and are. Thus, if you want to write an allegory on the successive stages through which an individual will go during one's life, you can basically do it using basically the same intellectual process. Only the technical differences between the various art forms will show as specific to these art forms in the respective final works (or products).

This is obviously a simplistic approach to art and to me, is responsible for El Topo being unbearably painful to watch for a sober brain. The allegories simply do not work, and even using the director's comments to attempt at making some sense of what one sees, it does not work. Not at all. As a result of his theory of the equivalence of art forms, what you see (cinema being THE visual art per excellence) is extremely artificial, looks very amateurish, whereas in the written form, as in a poem of an essay, it would make perfect sense because obviously, the brain can best depict the abstract.

Had the imagery been properly treated with much better ideas and techniques - as available in 1970, of course, which is not a problem at all per se (man, even Bunuel made surrealism work even at an early stage of cinema history!) - instead of this dreadful succession of nauseating images, poorly designed scenes and most terrible actors (here, the term is in fact inappropriate most of the time)- El Topo might have worked and been both a substantial film and a film of substance. Jodorowsky aimed much, much too big considering the limited technical platform and resources he had to his disposal and, perhaps, his actual capabilities. Listening to him endlessly digressing about how an erudite he is in the DVD commentaries reminds one of the saying that culture is like strawberry jam: the least you have, the most you spread it on your toast... :-)

One can think big and that's perfectly fine with me if the basic idea is interesting and promising and if you are a genius. But promises not held are worth, you know ... well, what I now think of this movie. And blaming everybody else for not understanding how clever you are while ignoring the blatant fact that there is virtually nothing by which to get intellectually stimulated in the first place from what you actually see: this is so infantile!

One of the worst I have seen in my life, and I'm 57 ... of course, the cinematography is sometimes nice, and that's why I gave it one point over what total disasters get. But all the credit for the imaginative imagery gets destroyed by how punishingly, how unimaginably boring El Topo is. Really, really boring, which is something legitimate to say after all, because cinema should not be an accessory to learning (for instance, having Prof Jodorowsky explaining oriental symbolism in the extra comments -not part of the film, remember- while you are watching an extremely arcane screenplay unravel before your weary, nearly deadshut eyes. A film should be self-sufficient, and El Topo is like a prop (and a poor one at that, most of the time) for teaching and learning philosophy.

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If this your worst you must have seen some effing good films,el topo is fantastic,i appreciate this film is not going to be liked by everyone it`s not exactly aimed at the masses.I watched his films because i heard various musicians mention them and i`m interested in spirituality and mysticism and general weirdness so i knew i`d enjoy and appreciate them.

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Sheesh, people have so little perspective--it's not the "worst movie ever," it's just simply not for "you." YeahResident, you probably just like more modern, linear, "easy" movies. Not saying those are bad and this is good, it's just a different kind of movie and just because you're not used to it doesn't make it bad.

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First off, I have around 70 IQ.
Secondly, I really liked this movie; not necessarily because of its story but because of its imagery, its music and its change of pace (from the first part filled with action to the second part were he is a monk... mixed just like a good jazz-album!).

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