Pro War or Anti War?
Is this a pro war film or an anti war film?
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I think the movie is pro-World War II. Even though at this time Americans were questioning our involvement in Vietnam, Americans were still extremely proud of their role in the world and their sacrifice and efforts in World War Two, rebuilding Europe post-war and the ensuing Cold War. Patton was already a hero in many American homes, but the movie only furthered advanced the ideal of an American hero.
In my opinion, Patton the film was a hero vehicle and rightly or wrongly it advanced the idealism of World War Two where the forces of good triumphed over evil.
where the forces of good triumphed over evil.
Except for the Japanese-American interment camps, the firebombing of Dresden, and the slaughter of 150,000 women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Evil triumphed there.
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of the 70+ million who died during WW2 how many died at the internment camps; And at Dresden with it's railyards shipping Germans to the Russian front & it's weapon optics factories? And Hiroshima & Nagasaki: were there NO military personnel at the Army HQ & the Naval base?
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Perspective please-.
Don't rationalize American war crimes, please.
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Dresden was bombed by Bomber command darlin'....and what exactly are these war crimes you speak of?
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Not trying to be awkward Nick, but Dresden was bombed by the USAAF too-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
I personally don't have the slightest twinge of conscience about Dresden, the Germans laid waste to cities, towns and villages throughout Europe and Russia and they can't complain wen the same thing happened to them. Even by that stage of the war the purpose was to end the war quickly and to get the Germans to capitulate- Dresden was bombed for precisely the same reason as Hiroshima and Nagasaki- to force a surrender. Also the consideration has to be made that the Germans may have been close to completing an atom bomb, again a reason to hasten the end of the war.
It has been said many times that the bombing made no difference. Personally, I disagree, one of the Generals involved in the July Plot said at the time that if they don't try to kill Hitler then they'll be nothing left of Germany- the bombing was having such an effect that a vast conspiracy of German officers were willing to rebel against Hitler and his Nazi cronies rather than see Germany reduced to rubble and its people killed in such huge numbers.
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The Allied bombing had a profound effect on the German war effort, especially when you look at what the Germans said about it from early 1943, rather than what polemicists wrote after.
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Except for the Japanese-American interment camps, the firebombing of Dresden, and the slaughter of 150,000 women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Evil triumphed there.
It's not the actions themselves which make them "good" or "evil," but the motives and goals behind them. I don't even think it would be accurate to use mystical terms like "good" and "evil" to describe complicated geopolitical events like World War 2.
However, from a US point of view, the Axis nations were the instigators and aggressors, since Japan attacked us first, and Germany and Italy declared war on us shortly after that. Moreover, the US had no designs on territorial expansion (unlike the Axis), and indeed, after the war, we relinquished control of the Philippines. There were no annexations after the war by the US. Britain and France also started freeing their colonial states in the years following the war.
The US also started moving towards greater support of civil rights, labor rights, rights for women, as well as improving wages, working conditions, and the overall standard of living for the country. We also expended a great deal of resources in rebuilding Germany and Japan (and many other nations) after the war to the point where they became economic powerhouses which now rival the United States. We could have turned them into wastelands if we wanted to.
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~~~~~It's not the actions themselves which make them "good" or "evil" but the motives and goals behind them.~~~~~
Do the ends justify the means? No, means are justified by principles.
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Do the ends justify the means? No, means are justified by principles.
I don't think this can be made an absolute, though. If we say that violence is always wrong, then that would tie our hands and make us unable to defend ourselves or use violence when necessary (such as in war or whenever the police have to arrest somebody).
Or, to give a more concrete example, if the generals and other officers who engineered the bomb plot against Hitler succeeded, then they would have been murderers. If we say that the ends do not justify the means, then they'd be guilty of that crime, even if the goal (eliminating Hitler) might be considered laudable. share
y'know I often wondered how long Jim Crow could have lasted in the south after a generation of 'southern good ol' boys & black men shared combat & shed blood together in Vietnam
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