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S.O.B. was not first to have Julie bare breasted? *Very Minor Spoiler*


Have you noticed that just as Julie exits stage left and tosses her dress onstage after her first burlesque number that her bare left breast is visible (albeit for barely one frame)? Granted, hardly the infamous scene from "S.O.B.", but little trivial footnote...

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If that is so, how did darling Lili get a "g" rating?

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Some movies that got a G rating back in 1970 would get a PG-13 or even an R rating now! The very first film to be rated ("Dracula Has Risen From the Grave") has throats torn open, Dracula screaming as he's staked with blood poring out AND him being impaled on a giant cross with blood gushing...and THAT got a G rating too! Comapred to that a one frame shot on Andrews left breast is hardly a big deal. Also "Ryan's Daughter" (released the same year as :his one) had a long nude love scene in the woods with fairly explicit male and female nudity. That got a PG.

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You misremember "Ryan's Daughter". You see practically nothing in its famous tryst scene.

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because it's just a breast

you Americans


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ Why does Canada need a queen?

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According to the book Julie Andrews: An Intimate Biography, Andrews was wearing flesh-colored bra and panties for her Darling Lili striptease.

We wouldn't see her boobies until S.O.B.





SALLY: I am going to show my boobies. Are you here to see my boobies?


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That isn't correct. If you slow forward the number and pause just before she exits screen left her left breast and nipple are very much visible. It is especially visible in the non-letterboxed version. If she's wearing a flesh-colored bra they painted a nipple on it!

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If she's wearing a flesh-colored bra they painted a nipple on it!




If the filmmakers wanted to give the impression of nudity, that's exactly what they'd do. But if the film actually showed Julie Andrews' nipples, Darling Lili would have been rated "R." When the film was released in 1970, the MPAA gave it a rating of "G" (for general audiences).

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The image of her left breast is so quick hardly anyone would have noticed it in a theatre. But it's definately there. The MPAA simply blinked and missed it as did 99% of the audience at the time. What producers and the censors didn't anticipate was the advent of home video and the pause button.

It isn't the first time an actress has flashed her audience onscreen, whether intentional or not. Take a look at With a Song in My Heart in where Susan Hayward's breasts tumble out of her strapless dress during the title dance number or Claudette Colbert's nipples bobbing up to say hello during her milk bath in The Sign of the Cross in.

And a flash of bosom didn't always rate an "R" during the late 1960s or early 1970s. The MPAA was still in it's nascent stage and criteria was very inconsistent. Pamela Franklin is nude from the top front and back in a scene in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and Sarah Miles shows her top in Ryan's Daughter, each released in 1969 and 1970 respectively, and each rated "M" or "GP".

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There was nothing "nascent" about Jack Valenti and the MPAA in 1970 (in fact, there has never been anything "nascent" about Jack Valenti). A flash of Julie Andrews' tit in a high-profile release like Darling Lili would have guaranteed the film at least a "PG" (or "M") rating.

I can only re-state the information in Julie Andrews: An Intimate Biography by Richard Stirling - she's wearing flesh-colored bra and panties in her "I'll Give You Three Guesses" strip tease.

Where, exactly, has it ever been written that Andrews' actual nipple was visible in Darling Lili? Can you provide a link? After all, the press was never shy on the subject of Andrews' nipples (as the publicity surrounding SOB proved).

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I suggest you rent a copy of the film from Netlix or your video store, wait for the lights to change during the strip and pause at the moment she sings "You don't need three guesses or not even two" and slow forward to the moment she begins to walk towards the curtain screen left. Just before she pulls the curtain in front of her the moment of this contoversy is there... you have to be fast, but when paused at that moment, not only her nipple but her entire left breast is clearly there, whether it was a "wardrobe malfunction" or something very sly.

Again, it is so fast that a movie audience wouldn't have seen it, but with video it cannot be denied.

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I've got a copy of the film, and I've already paused it (and as everyone who's familiar with the scene knows, it's shot from a distance). Granted, it looks like a nipple is exposed. But then, that was the filmmakers' goal - to suggest that Lili had actually removed her top. When a flesh-colored bra is used to suggest nudity, it has ALL the markings of a woman's breasts. And if it looks convincing - well, it should. The film cost $25 million to make (a huge amount at the time), and Donald Brooks & company didn't skimp on details.

Once again, I'm asking you the same question - where has it been written that Julie Andrews actually exposed her breast at the end of her striptease number? I'm really curious to know. Because the aforementioned Julie Andrews biography has stated unequivocally she didn't.

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Look at celebritymoviearchive.com -- description and pictures (bottom right).

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The picture that's on that website is exactly what you find when you pause the DVD - a shot of Julie Andrews taken from a comparative distance. It isn't a close-up of the breast. And the image achieved in that frame could have easily been created with an appropriately detailed, flesh-colored bra - the kind that the aforementioned Julie Andrews biography stated she used for Darling Lili (it's one of the many fascinating details about the film that's in the book).

S.O.B. wouldn't have caused the ripple it did if Andrews had already bared her breast a decade earlier. And Darling Lili wouldn't have received a "G" rating (especially since it was booked into Radio City Music Hall) if she'd actually done so.

Whenever Andrews discusses her topless moment, she talks about S.O.B. She talks about it in this interview, and alludes to the many years she had to prepare for the scene -

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07022/755761-129.stm


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Ummm...I've paused that moment and it is definitely her bare breast. I don't care what any biography says about there being a flesh color bra, I know a bare boob when I see one and that is a bare boob with nipple and all. The proof is there on the film, not in some book.

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Ummm...I've paused that moment and it is definitely her bare breast. I don't care what any biography says about there being a flesh color bra, I know a bare boob when I see one and that is a bare boob with nipple and all. The proof is there on the film, not in some book.


Ummm...you think you're the only one who's seen a bare boob?

Look, I've also paused the film, and I agree that it looks very convincing. But wasn't that the point of the scene - that it should look convincing?

Remember, this isn't a close-up or a medium shot; it's a long shot (or wide shot), and from that distance a director can create an illusion - especially with the right lighting and costuming. I first saw the film on the huge screen of the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, and even then I wondered if she'd flashed a bare breast, but I also knew it was possible I'd seen what appeared to be a bare breast. After all, Janet Leigh looked like she was nude in Psycho's shower scene, but in fact she was wearing flesh-colored moleskin.

I don't think we can talk about anything being "definite" until Andrews herself makes a DEFINITIVE statement. And so far, her biography (and every interview she's given) has stated she didn't expose her breast, or breasts, until S.O.B. She certainly had a chance to change that story sixteen years ago on 60 Minutes, but she didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzRSa0mB_B0&feature=related

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Sure doesn't look like a flesh colored bra to me. It's a very realistic one if it is!

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Never underestimate the talents of Hollywood makeup artists and costume designers. I have no doubt they could create a strapless bra that would make its wearer appear bare breasted. Think about the use of body stockings in love scenes; many of these have been quite realistic.

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For heaven's sake--it's her breast! I recall seeing this movie at Radio City Music Hall when it first opened, and at the conclusion of that number I thought, "Did I see what I think I saw?!" I had to wait at least another ten years to record it off TV and frame-by-frame that scene. It's her breast. Her perky, pretty breast. She was not wearing "flesh-colored panties" She wore a full bottom, like the bottom of an old-fashioned two-piece bathing suit. The top was like a corset, which she unhooked. It is Gloria Paul, who does the "Goodwill Ambassador" strip who wears a flesh-colored top, simulating nudity behind that beaded curtain.

Julie's "I'll Give You Three Guesses" is a great number and that is one great breast.

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Just watched it on tcm and that was a breast.

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Pausing the video shows there is undoubtedly a nip there--whether it's her real nip or a simulated nip created by a makeup artist is impossible to tell. She claims she was wearing a bra, so I'll go along with that until there is definitive evidence to the contrary.

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