The men in Blofeld's office


When we're introduced to Blofeld for the first time, he leaves the control room and goes into his office where two Asian men, possibly Japanese (they're in Japan after all), wearing business suits have a discussion with him in which we learn that they've hired him and SPECTRE to start a war between Russia and the US, and Blofeld haggles them up for more money. No more is said about it, although it's assumed that they agree to pay his increased price after witnessing the death of Helga.

So what was the deal with these guys? Are they actually Japanese, and does this mean the Japanese government, or part of it, is trying to use SPECTRE to start war between the Americans and the Soviets? Why? I'd love to hear anyone's theories on this issue.

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I've always heard they were Chinese. I want to say at the beginning that Henderson says that Japan is innocent as are the Soviets. The #3 power in the world at the time was China.

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Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. I just wish they'd been a little clearer about this.

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They're most likely either representatives from Red China or North Korea, although the two Asian men could've been paying Blofeld on behalf of rogue ultra-nationalistic elements within the Japanese government seeking revenge against Russia and America after the humiliation of WWII.

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anyone notice one of them had a british accent?

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They're most likely either representatives from Red China or North Korea
I always wonder if Blofeld's outfit has anything to do with China or North Korea.
In the previous movies he was seen wearing very British suit.
But here his outfit looks like Mao suit.
Maybe he tried to please his customers by wearing it?
(Although the customers wore Western suits.)

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Wow. This is fascinating. In 1967 it was considered pretty much obvious that the two Asian men were Red Chinese, but I can see how 40 years later some of the younger viewers living in a totally different geopolitical world wouldn't be able to grasp that point.

Two other points: the two men weren't explicitly named as Red Chinese because the very tensions of the time made it..."touchy" to go ahead and name them as such.

And in 1967 Blofeld's suit might have seemed cutting edge fashion. Like the Nehru jacket. Although today it's considered silly enough to be the version of Blofeld Mike Myers parodies in the Austin Powers movies.

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And in 1967 Blofeld's suit might have seemed cutting edge fashion. Like the Nehru jacket.
I didn't know what Nehru jacket was, so I looked into Wikipedia, which includes this paragraph:
A popular costume for James Bond villains. Dr. No, the first Bond villain, wears a Nehru jacket in the film of the same name. Kamal Khan also wears several Nehru jackets in Octopussy. In Tomorrow Never Dies, Elliot Carver wears the same black Nehru Jacket throughout the movie, as does Moonraker's Hugo Drax. Bond's arch-enemy, SPECTRE chieftain Ernst Stavro Blofeld, wears a Nehru jacket in You Only Live Twice but a Mao jacket in Diamonds Are Forever.
I feel dumb, I never noticed the same costume appeared so many times in the series!

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Roger Delgado also wore one in most of his appearances as "The Master" on DOCTOR WHO.

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"I always wonder if Blofeld's outfit has anything to do with China or North Korea."

Well, there were uniformed Chinese guards on Dr. No's island in the first movie. As in You Only Live Twice, the words "Red China" are never spoken but the implication is that they're involved.

Also in Goldfinger it's actually said out loud that Goldfinger's in league with the Chinese (they give him the bomb to hit Fort Knox with and presumably all these soldiers too). I know it wasn't SPECTRE but the point is that in the Connery Bonds, China (not Russia) was usually the big threat looming in the background.


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Hisako Katakura (Blofeld's Financier) doesn't look Chinese at all. I like to think that he is Japanese, but working for China due to affiliations with one of the Maoist parties in Japan (not the main Communist party as they are not Maoist).

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They don't appear to be from Communist China. They aren't wearing "Mao suits", was normal at the time.

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...not everyone in every country dresses the same. Especially if they were going abroad, they'd wear whatever would allow them to pass for muster, and standard business suits and ties are pretty much accepted the world over as men's fashion. "Mao suits" would be too on the nose.

I mean, really, how many times will you look under Jabba's manboobs?

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Except in Mao's China they did.

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You ignored everything after the first sentence in my post. But whatever, let's assume that, yes, in Red China everyone dressed the same. And then let's forget about that because it has nothing to do with how the men in Blofeld's office were dressed, whether they were Red Chinese or not. I've since decided it's unlikely that they were (see below), but I feel it's important to explain why, if they were, they wouldn't dress the same in Japan as they would in China.

People who traditionally dress one way in their native country don't always dress that way when traveling abroad. Red China's representatives to SPECTRE probably wouldn't want to call attention to themselves while in Japan.

Admittedly, showing up in traditional Chinese Mao-style clothing doesn't automatically mean the Japanese authorities would assume they were up to no good, but wearing clothing associated with the Mao regime would've definitely raised a few eyebrows nevertheless, and considering the nature of their business, it makes sense that they'd opt for less conspicuous business suits, which, as I said, is accepted as men's fashion the world over not connected to any creed or culture.

So now we come to the all-important question: disregarding all mention of them being Chinese, were they? I thought Soviet Russia was Red China's ally. Why would they want to get them involved in a war with the US? And if they weren't Chinese, then who were they? Rogue Japanese nationalists (as gregforttmags rather interestingly suggested)? North Koreans? You've discounted them as being Chinese (for what I feel is a silly reason), but I'm not hearing any alternative suggestions.

I mean, really, how many times will you look under Jabba's manboobs?

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The Mao suits weren't traditional; they were a symbol of the revolution. The two men just don't seem to be representative of Mao's China in during the Cultural Revolution.

As well as this, the PRC was economically and diplomatically isolated at that time, with most countries (and the UN) recognising Taiwan as China, so it seems difficult to envisage Mao's government delivering gold bullion to a Buenos Aires account as a matter of urgency. Also, it appears from the conversation that the mystery government has been giving Blofeld "technology". The PRC had only tested its first atomic bomb in 1964, and did not launch a satellite till 1970. Its space program was still in its infancy.

The men are clearly representing a government. One of them says, "My government is quite satisfied." That seems to rule out rogue Japanese nationalists.

They could be from Mao, and the plot could be part of the Sino-Soviet split. (If the real politics is at all relevant, North Korea remained closer to the USSR than China was.)

It is possible that they were Asian agents of a non-Asian government.

The film deliberately doesn't specify who they are. We are supposed to see them as representatives of some power, and the politics doesn't matter. I just don't see why it is presumed that they are from the PRC. If they were intended to be Chinese, I don't see why this couldn't be made clear, as the USSR is frequently identified in Bond films, and the PRC was more diplomatically isolated.

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I say Chinese. They would be the main benefituries of the U.S. knocking each other out.

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I like to think those men were republicans, who were trying to destroy America

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