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Homo-erotic war film


King Rat is a unique war film especially for it's time, 1965. The Great Escape is the best of the prisoner of war camp films. Stalag 17 comes in at a close second. This is naturally just my opinion and is subjective. Both films deal with the hardships of being a prisoner of war. They both deal with death. Yet they have moments of light heartedness. It is almost like you might want to have experienced what they went through. Not in King Rat. It James Clavell's novel wich the film ws based on, shows the audiance a diferrent side of the prisoner of war camp. The dog eat dog side. In the Great Escape it is shown that all the men worked together for the common good. Sure Steve McQueen's Hilts is a loner and makes lone escape attempts but finally he joins the team and everyone is fighting together against the "Hun". In King Rat we get a bleak picture. Not for a million bucks would I want to hang out at this camp. It is filled with cheats and and swindlers. These men would do anything to get an extra ration of food even if it meant another mate would go hungry. Definately not the type of attitude shown in The Great Escape. We find George Segal aptly named Cpl. King running the camp like a king. Pardon the pun. But that is the point. He is supposed to be the King. Men of higher rank fear him. They suck up to him and curry favor just to get a cigerette but. One day King spots James Fox who plays Marlowe. This is where the homo-erotic theme comes in. Marlowe is even dressed in a native skirt. Lending to the feeling of femininity. King takes a shine to him. Through out the movie they fall in love or at least that is my take. I will not go into specifics as not to give away spoilers. But at the end of the movie when they are finally rescued and they are to be sent home. Segal rejects Fox. Fox declares his feelings for Segal saying that he was not ashamed of what they had. Naturally for 1965 you have to read between the lines because the times prevented homosexuality to be shown openly. Yet one needs not to be a rocket scientist to see the love these men had for each other. All in all it is a bleak film. Showing the worst aspects of mankind. Lacking the comraderie that The Great Escape had. But all in all it is an very good film though, dark as it is.

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Re: Homo-erotic war film ?

Only to a homo.

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...in The Great Escape. Where was he getting his uniformed cleaned? This movie was a bit lighthearted at times for me to be a serious POW story.

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You do understand the difference between Japanese POW camps and German POW camps, don't you? Because the difference was major.

Also, Garner's character was relatively new. Big X had never even met him.

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I've seen photos of Allied soldies in German POW camps. Don't get me wrong; I like Garner and him in The Americanization of Emily is one of my favorites as a combination drama-romantic-comedy. But how does one keep a white turtleneck sweate so bright in a POW camp, not to mention his ready-for-inspection uniform?
Japanese camps were much more severe, but some of the stars looked too spiffy in Great Escape. Also, does anyone think the Germans would allow a prisoner to maintain a baseball glove and ball a la Steve McQueen? Any object of affection would likely be taken away.

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He used Tide?

I meant Garner seemed relatively newer to POW status than some of the others. And after all, he was the Scrounger. Also, these guys were all officers, and officers were better treated in POW camps by the Germans than the enlisted men were.

But honestly, I have no problem accepting the fact that THE GREAT ESCAPE was...a movie.

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I suspect from his clean uniform that Garner collaborated with the Germans. I wonder if the statue of limitations have run out for such crimes. Just curious dept: I wonder if Garner is broke. I see him doing ads on TV for dubious products.

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I wouldn't worry about Garner. He's doing okay. Although it breaks my heart that he's turning 80 this year.

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...here in San Diego County. James Garner is pushing insurance(?) on TV. And Wifred Bromley is still waiting for that oatmeal to kick in.

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Things sound rough in San Diego County. ;)

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I have issues with radio talk show hosts doing ads on their own shows. But I wonder what it is that makes a movie star late in life do TV ads. I wonder if it is more about the ego needing some camera time, any camera will do type of thing; or is it because some actors are short on funds after some bad financial experiences?

Then there former presidents like Gerald Ford who is said to be the first prez to cash in on his office. "Hi. Gerry Ford for Aspen Time Shares..."

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No matter how big the star, the need for affirmation through still receiving job offers is a major factor in their self-esteem. I remember reading in Henry Fonda's bio that in the 1960s, after every acting job, he'd be terrified that he'd never work again. Henry Fonda!

Besides, it's really easy to do those commercial gigs, and the pay is shockingly good for a star.

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Whatever happened to GAF; was it bought out, go out of biz, or is it still in biz? I suppose doing ads can be fun for some movie stars as sort of a, I'm a regular guy thing. I hear Japan is big money for non-Japanese stars doing ads there. That said, I was not very taken with Lost In Translation in which bill Murray played an American movie star doing ads in Japan. It was not just slow (and that isn't necessarily a bad thing), but Translation seemed downbeat in a contrived manner. I suppose I should put my my take on it on the Lost In Translation board.

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I didn't se a homo erotic subtext so much as a class warefare subtext.

I saw King as being stripped of all his power and "respect" when the war ended. He was now just another dogface corporal and he hated it. What other corporal could say he had officers on his payroll doing his bidding? If he tried any of that stuff outside a POW situation he'd be thrown in the brig.

King resented that Marlow was an officer and a better educated man than he.
That's why he rejected his friendship in the end.

Marlowe was even told by Lt. Grey at the films conclusion that the working class even in England were now going to rule the world and not stay in their place.

I see Cpl. King in the same depressed state as the James Whitmore character Brooks in The Shawshank Redemption. Once out of the environment that he felt made him worth something valuable, he was worth nothing.

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I disagree with your brain fart. The movie is about friendship and the bonds betweeen people (in this case men). I suppose under your theory, "Paradise Road" is just a den full of lesbians. Marlowe and King were business partners, King's main interest was Marlowes skills at speaking the native language, which he used frequently. Yes, they liked each other and became friends. But after King saved Marlowe's arm by going out of his way to supply medicine, that's when Marlowe incorrectly thought they were the best of friends. To Marlowes disappointment, King didn't feel the same way due to some hangup he has about having close friends, it appeared. After all, King did not survive because of friends, his survival was based on his ability to conduct business and pay others to assist. For his years as a POW, and possibly even before that, his selfish thinking is what caused him to excel in his personal interests. Marlowe, on the other hand, doesn't have t6hat same kind of mentality, and is saddened that he cannot stay in contact with someone who not only made a time in hell more bearable for him, but ultimately probubly saved his life. The fact is, they were both living in a horrible situation on the edge of death, and the mental stress of it all cannot be rationalized by anyone who has not been through it. That's what this movie is about at it's core, what men will do to survive.

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Homoerotic because it's a camp full of men. King talks about seeing the "big guys" with their women and the fact that he had never made it. But in camp he has made it and he used Marlowe as a bit of a surrogate -- a king of his world, able to show off and take care of someone, even emotionally. And then, when the war ends and there's no need for all that money to get the two of them out of camp -- dashing King's use, his camp-oriented fantasy world, as it were -- he knows he will be nothing again and he cuts Marlowe dead: avoids him and doesn't even say goodbye. The only way he can separate successfully. It really makes the movie very good, IMO.

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I thought part of the Reason he cuts Marlowe off so abruptly is that he didnt want to see his friend punished for being his friend and co-hort. Richard Dawson and Greye already made comments on how hed get his now that the was was over. The paratrooper kept saying hed make sure to report how well he was dressed and his good health while everyone else was in rags and starving. Even though the officers knew about what was going on, when they had to go back to the real world they would have to pay for their "crimes". Even if he did use his abilities to help his scheme, he did treat Marlowe better then the other guys. And just because theres affection does not mean its homo centric. Thats whats jacked up about the US. Any male tenderness or close friendship has to devolve into a sexual thing. I didnt see anything in the movie that suggested and subtext of inversion.

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Just read the book, that'll put paid to this homo-erotic claptrap.
a) It'll help you understand the situation for what it really is. The film is way too short to do a proper character/situation analysis. The book does it well.
b) To make lovers out of King & Marlow would be a totally unnecessary & stupid plot change. If the makers wanted to show homo-eroticism all they had to do was leave a bit less of Stephen's story out. Also, it's a shame that the film left Sean out, there was an 'interesting' character study.

Another tip would be to live a bit of life on the edge of survival. Then, if you were lucky, you might come to understand what was happening between King & Marlow.

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You must really be hard up for stroke opportunities if you think this is a homo-erotic film.

But of course you are. I used to think that all homosexually-obsessed men were a bunch of weirdos, but at least they were well-spoken. You, sir, are not. Well-spoken, that is. Re-read your post and fix it.

That being said, I hope you enjoyed a good flogging of yourself after watching the flick.

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The OP's post is the obligatory "gay content" post that is required for all IMDB film listings. Didn't you folks get that memo? The screenwriter, director and producer were all in on it. They (along with every other screenwriter, director and producer working 60 years ago) were prescient and knew that every sad, sorry, internet-addicted geek would obsess over this issue. Isn't this fun? Don't you feel fulfilled? Great! Now go get a real life before you are dead....now there's a thought....

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I am 60 years old. I state my age so that you might get the idea of time span. Men of my generation and those before often made close friends and never thought of screwing them. That's a very recent introduction.

LL

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