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Why was such a good show cancelled?


With an excellent premise, great actors, hysterical gags and great production values, how in the wide world of sports does such a good show end up axed? Another favorite of the period, Hogan's Heroes, lasted for six seasons before it was cancelled not due to low ratings, but because of the network "purge", meaning the suits thought we didn't need a show like this anymore.

Is this what happened with F Troop? I'm not sure about how it fared in the ratings, but it should have at least lasted for five seasons, yet the plug was pulled after only two seasons. A truly pathetic decision...

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i have no idea but The Addams Family and The Munsters were also canned after 2 season around the same time

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They were canned because Batman became such a huge hit and it cut into their audiences.

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Actually Batman was F Troop's lead-in during season two, not its competition. They were both on ABC.

And Batman's ratings dropped severely in season two, which hurt F TROOP, which was doing battle with the second half of two hour long series on NBC and CBS, including NBC's hit Daniel Boone.

The story regarding Forrest Tucker trying to keep the series going and looking for filming locations for syndication abroad is supported by Melody Patterson in her interview for the book "Drive In Dream Girls".

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Don't know for sure about F-Troop- I Loved it!- However, Munsters and Addams Family were cancelled because of high set maintenence and make-up costs. Apparently it took quite a bit of cash to keep the Munster House looking so creepy- applying the dust and replacing cobwebs took major time- as did Herman's Make-up- 3 hours to apply and 2 to remove.Not a pleasant experience. Also his costume (padding) was extremely hot and he lost almost 25 lbs. in the first season alone. Thin as he was- he couldn't afford to lose any more. Addams Family I imagine had a similar problem with set decor. But an interesting tidbit- Both debuted and were cancelled in the same week- 2 years later! Great shows all!

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This did happen quite a bit in the 60s. Networks, I feel, followed ratings less than they do nowadays. Example: Green Acres and Petticoat Junction, despite high ratings, were still given the heave-ho because network perception was that rural comedies were no longer "in" or sufficient. Hence the turn then towards the darker, more urban stuff.

As far as F Troop, according to Wikipedia, which is not a 100% truthful site by any means, the network did not want a half hour show to take up such a huge portion of the backlot. This is supposedly what Forrest Tucker claimed.

It is amazing how big of an impression shows like the Monkees, Addams Family, and Munsters have made on popular culture despite their short lifespan. A testament to how revolutionary they truly were.

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Yeah, they all made a big impact on US culture . . . Oh, wait. It’s 2O22. Nobody remembers 1960. I socialized with Fred Gwynne’s daughter in nightclubs, and even I don’t remember the era.

Fuck you, comet.

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I agree with you totally. This series gave me some of the deepest breathing hindering laughs in my 64 years of life. I have not seen an episode in over 30 years but, I still chuckle when I think of those indians whose name derived from the fact that their ancestors got lost frequently. And as well, the assemblage of misfit soldiers, one of which was the lookout, but was so vision impaired with his thick lens that he couldn't find the fort gate, and the bugler who could not blow one reliable note on the horn.
I hope they never attempt to make a sequel series though! It just can't be done!!!!! Thanks, and Enjoy LIFE! KBB

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Kentuckyblackbird,

I watched this show while in college. Didn't miss a night. I am currently viewing the F Troop DVD of season 1. I borrowed my copy from my local library. They have quite an extensive collection of DVDs. Check it out. Still full of laughs.

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TV networks always did strange things when it came to cancellations of series. F-Troop's first season was Tuesday nights, I think 9 p.m. EST. For an ABC show, lasting longer than one year meant a success in those days. For reasons I couldn't understand then, they moved it to Thursday nights at either 7:30 or 8 (Prime time in those days began at 7:30 EST) and after the second year, it was cancelled. I assume the ratings were worse. Logically, the gags on the show are not best understood by younger kids, and their viewership dominated the 7:30-8 (or later) slots in those days of most folks having one television set and, or course, no VCRs. I think the older kids (I was 10) and their parents loved it when it was on later in the evening, but missed it when it came on earlier. It would have made sense when they saw the ratings were lower to move it back to a later time slot.

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Hell, in the 1960s, the network cancelled Star Trek. That series ended up in perpetual syndication and became practically a Hollywood institution with more than a half dozen feature films. I'm reminded of the old Saturday Night Live skit with John Belushi as Captain Kirk and Chevy Chase as Spock. The "ship" is chased through the galaxy by an automobile with Elliot Gould at the wheel playing a network executive. The skit ends with Gould cancelling the show and Belushi making a comment about network stupidity. I think that pretty much says it all.

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It seems a little strange that some shows in the 60's only lasted two seasons. I guess maybe since they did more episodes a year than today, they didn't have to have so many seasons. I don't know why this show only lasted 2 years if it was such a hit. Could the actors have wanted to stop because they felt they did enough?

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I could be wrong, but I heard eons ago that it was canceled when everyone found out Melody Patterson's (Wrangler Jane) real age. She was playing an adult, but in real life, she wasn't even quite 16. When the press found out that she was underage, they had a field day, and TPTB decided that it was inappropriate for someone of her age to play an adult romantic type lead.

Like I said, I don't know if that's true or not, but it's something my mother told me a long time ago, and she was a pretty ardent fan of the series.

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I loved F Troop when it was on '65-'67, and always thought it was dumped because of low ratings, but a couple of the other reasons cited on the board make sense also. Warner Bros pulling the plug because it was their only TV series using the lot and cost too much is very credible. The story about Melodt Patterson's age also could be a factor. The networks weren't as quick with the hook back then as they are now, but they did scrap lots of good shows before their time. Great that F Troop is now on DVD and I'm glad to own it.

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In 1967, Jack L. Warner sold his share of Warner Bros. to Seven Arts Productions for $95 million, creating Warner Bros-Seven Arts. The last episode of "F Troop" aired April 6, 1967. Perhaps J.L. thought it would be best to get "F Troop" off the books, since most TV shows involve "deficite spending" (in other words, they don't make a profit till reruns). Or maybe Seven Arts thought the show was too expensive to produce (big sets, big cast).

I doubt Melody's age was a factor. She turned 18 on April 16, 1967, so she would have been fine for a third season. Another post claims that "F Troop" was the only TV show being produced at Warner's at that time, but what about "The F.B.I."? (A QM/WB Production; see http://youtube.com/watch?v=mm4FISH1wTY.) According to imdb.com, "The F.B.I." was filmed on the Warner's lot.

Whatever happened, when they cancelled "F Troop", we lost one of the best ensemble comedy shows ever broadcast on television.

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A book called 'The Box,' which is a series of interviews about the early years of television, quotes the executive producer of 'F Troop,' William T. Orr. Orr says that Warner Brothers felt the show was too expensive to produce. He says the switch from black & white to color in season two was especially expensive. For that reason, he says Warner Brothers pulled the plug. He says nothing about ABC canceling it.
Based on the show's ratings, it wouldn't seem like ABC would have any desire to cancel it. I ran across some old copies of 'Television' magazine from the 1960s once. It claimed that 'F Troop' was number 27 in its first season, and 39th in its second season. That's 39th out of 91 shows, and for third-ranked ABC, that wasn't bad. Even in 39th place, it was ABC's eighth-highest rated show, and its second-highest rated sitcom (after 'Bewitched').
Bottom line: even after slipping in its second season, 'F Troop' was still one of ABC's more successful shows. I can't imagine why ABC would cancel it.
It seems possible, as others have suggested, that Warner Brothers crunched the numbers and decided it was more profitable to stop production and syndicate it immediately.

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Yes, but the conventional wisdom is that you need at least 100 episodes to have a viable syndication run. I wonder why WB would have compromised their chances for successful reruns in the future?

F Troop is about the only series I can think of (during those transitional B&W-to-color years) whose color episodes were as well-written and well-produced as the B&W ones. Usually, when shows would go to color, the ensuing budget crunch would ruin all the other creative departments.

Did this show ever "jump the shark" (i.e., go from good to bad)? See what others say...
http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/F-Troop/F-Troop-General-Comments/733

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