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Is Atticus THAT naive? (spoilers)


I just watched this movie for the first time in over ten years and Atticus' closing statement struck me as being extremely naive. He is a great father who believes in the law being there to protect everyone.

But he was extremely naive to think that he could persuade an all white jury that a white woman had tried to seduce a black man and then had been severely beaten by her father for trying to do so.

Is he portrayed as being naive in the book? There should be a line or two in the movie where he admits that he's fighting a lost cause. Don't get me wrong, it's a noble cause and he's a saint for doing it but did he REALLY think he had a chance of an acquittal?

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I don't think Atticus ever speaks his mind on this, but he does say after Tom's killed that they had a good chance at having the verdict overturned on appeal. So that may have been his overall strategy: make the best case possible, have the jury render their atrocious verdict, and then try to win on appeal , presumably before a panel of judges without a jury.

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I just watched this movie for the first time in over ten years and Atticus' closing statement struck me as being extremely naive. He is a great father who believes in the law being there to protect everyone.
Lawyers don't necessarily believe what they argue. They put forward the argument that they believe will carry the most impact in favour of their client. Pointing out that the law is meant to operate as a leveller for all people, no matter what their race, is a good strategy when dealing with a jury that is inherently biased against a particular race.

But he was extremely naive to think that he could persuade an all white jury that a white woman had tried to seduce a black man and then had been severely beaten by her father for trying to do so.
What makes you think that he thought he could persuade the jury? He was simply doing his job as a lawyer, i.e. defending his client to the best of his ability.

Is he portrayed as being naive in the book? There should be a line or two in the movie where he admits that he's fighting a lost cause. Don't get me wrong, it's a noble cause and he's a saint for doing it but did he REALLY think he had a chance of an acquittal?
From memory, Atticus doesn't talk about his view of Tom Robinson's chances before the verdict. Every adult in the book - even the unbiased ones - thinks that it is a foregone conclusion that the jury will find Tom guilty. Someone comments on how impressive it is that the jury have been deliberating the verdict for several hours, because in their experience, an all-white jury takes very little time to convict a black man.

So we can presume that Atticus would have known very well that the jury would find Tom Robinson guilty anyway. He says after the verdict, "They've done it before and they did it again tonight and they will do it again and seems like when they do it - only children weep." It sounds like he is frustrated and disappointed, but not surprised.

I also agree with movieghoul's view of what Atticus's strategy probably was. A higher court could have overturned the jury's verdict on the grounds of unreasonableness.

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Interesting posts, but, sadly and given the time and the place, Tom Robinson had little better than a 50-50 chance of not being hanged, even if he'd been freed on appeal and sent home. . . In many respects, we've come a long way as a nation.

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No. He had already told Toms wife that they would likely lose the first trial. He told Tom this as they were taking him out of the courtroom after the ve verdict.

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As King Théoden in The Lord of the Rings would have put it "No. We cannot not defeat the forces of Sauron but we shall MEET THEM IN BATTLE NONETHELESS."
😀 Perfect analogy. Well said!

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I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.
- Atticus Finch

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I don't think Atticus was naïve - like others have said, he expected to lose at trial and then take it on appeal.
But I do think that he misjudged the jury in his closing.
I think Tom probably didn't help himself by saying he was sorry for Miss Maella but Atticus shouldn't have tried to lecture the jury. He should have pointed out the clear and simple logical inconsistencies.
Of course it was a foregone conclusion but I wouldn't have taken that line in my closing.

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But isn't that what actually happened? Mayella was beaten on the right side of her face indicating that the attacker was left handed, and Tom couldn't have attacked on that side because his left arm was crippled. Also there was no medical evidence that Mayella was ever raped, only that she was beaten. Atticus was hoping that on appeal cooler heads would prevail and they would realize the entire trial was a farce.

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In the book, Atticus tells his brother Jack that his prospects for winning the trial "couldn't be worse ... The jury couldn't possibly be expected to take Tom Robinson's word against the Ewells' ... Before I'm through though, I intend to jar the jury a bit--I think we'll have a reasonable chance on appeal" (Lee 116-117).

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In Chapter 9 of the book, when the case is first being discussed, Scout asks her dad if they are going to win it. He says, "No, honey."
"Then why--"
"Simply because we were licked a hundred years before we started is no reason for us not to try to win," Atticus said.

That was the first indication he gave that he knew he wouldn't win, but would defend his client to the best of his ability.

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Yes, he did think he had a good chance. He strove to believe that people would do the right thing. He was a positive person who refused to believe negatively. Plus, he is portrayed as a very good lawyer and likely knew of how he could win an acquittal.

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He's not naive he understands that the local jury is auto-stacked against him. It is the appeal which is their chance.

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